CONFIRMED: Red Sox Acquiring Adley Rutschman In Stunning AL East Blockbuster

[SoxPhan]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Do you agree or disagree?

In this case, at this moment, I agree with BTV. Haha

This can be a win, but a lot has to go right for it to be, is all I'm saying. 

[Duran Is The Man]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Deeply mixed emotions.  I think Rutschman and Miller cost a big chunk of this organization.  But more important, the Sox should be better tomorrow than they were yesterday, and got that way while keeping Arias, who needs to be promoted ASAP.

 

and i think Arias is a big part of the reason Mayer got traded.

[a700hitter]

6 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox farm system is definitely in the bottom third now. LOL

Who does Breslow think that he is… DD?

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Deeply mixed emotions.  I think Rutschman and Miller cost a big chunk of this organization.  But more important, the Sox should be better tomorrow than they were yesterday, and got that way while keeping Arias, who needs to be promoted ASAP.

 

That's kinda the bottom line, and by the end of next year or 2028, Primera, Delzine & Soto might be more highly regarded than Eyanson, Witherspoon & Azocar. If not them, maybe Valera, Godbout and Gonzales.

We have a very controlled team with very few past-prime players in key roles.

Even losing Gray, this winter and Chapman next does not seem like insurmountable losses.

Our rotation looks awesome for many years to come.

We have many everyday players for 3+ years and a deep bench, especially at middle infield.

We'll need a LF/DH, soon (Anthony fills just one), a catcher after Rut and a 1Bman after Willson.

We'll need a closer after 2027.

 

 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Duran Is The Man said:

and i think Arias is a big part of the reason Mayer got traded.

Gotta be, but also Monasterio, Seigler, Cheng, Sogard and even IKF to add 2026 depth.

(I won't mention Story.)

[notin]

5 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

and i think Arias is a big part of the reason Mayer got traded.

Very likely.

Although it’s interesting all this talk about adding a shortstop, and when the dust settled we had fewer of them when we started…

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

First Rut Man has to get back on the field, and stay there, which has been no sure thing the last two years. Second Skubal most likely will resign with the Dodgers, so all your calculations speculations will all most likely be way off.🙈

These are not 'calculations speculations'.  From MLB:

• Tigers got Hope (55), River (55), and Smith (45)
• BA got Eyanson (55), Witherspoon (50) and Azocar (45)

Those are the existing FV values.  Eyanson could be a HOF or a washout, but today's FV values are today's FV values.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

11 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

The walk rates are obscene, but his GB% is outstanding.  Pure guess is that Breslow sees something fixable.

Or Bailey does.

[vegasbob]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Gotta be, but also Monasterio, Seigler, Cheng, Sogard and even IKF to add 2026 depth.

(I won't mention Story.)

Then i will mention Story.  He will be held back until he complains that he is ready , then will be given the 20 day max rehab in Worcester, extending out to mid or late September ,then a decision will be needed which could well include a waiver situation, eating his remaining contract.  OR Brez could decide that a veteran presence would help the team  in the playoffs, but isn't IKF a qualifier there.??

[a700hitter]

5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Just seems steep for only 1.5 years AND currently on the IL. 

Hearing that the 2 pitchers given up are damaged goods.

[JoeBrady]

59 minutes ago, SoxPhan said:

Yeah, that was a little hyperbole, but the I'd say they were close. Skubals was a little more top heavy, ours a little deeper.

NP, I don't get too deep into the minutiae.  Given that Skubal's talent probably offsets Rutschman's extra year, the difference in talent is immaterial.  I think we needed a catcher more than two month's of an ace.

[a700hitter]

5 hours ago, SoxDiehard said:

Ya’ll might be too young to remember a swap way before divisional play.  Sox needed a power bat, the got a guy named Danny Cater and gave up a pitcher who you may have heard of…Spark Lyle.   See ya later Danny Cater got a grand total of 5 hrs in his time with the Sox. 

That was 54 years ago, not 30.

[SoxPhan]

10 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

These are not 'calculations speculations'.  From MLB:

• Tigers got Hope (55), River (55), and Smith (45)
• BA got Eyanson (55), Witherspoon (50) and Azocar (45)

Those are the existing FV values.  Eyanson could be a HOF or a washout, but today's FV values are today's FV values.

Edit: misread this before replying

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

IMHO, based on the different attributes he brings to the Sox, I feel Rutch was the best non-pitcher pickup of the entire trade deadline.

[notin]

4 hours ago, SoxPhan said:

He was never untouchable for me. lol I've been the one saying we'd be lucky to get a good reliever for him, and everyone said I was crazy. 

Well, technically I said not a rental reliever.  Also, yes, you’re crazy 🤪 

But at least it’s one of the happy kinds…

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

These are not 'calculations speculations'.  From MLB:

• Tigers got Hope (55), River (55), and Smith (45)
• BA got Eyanson (55), Witherspoon (50) and Azocar (45)

Those are the existing FV values.  Eyanson could be a HOF or a washout, but today's FV values are today's FV values.

Those wasn’t even the calculations speculations I was talking about.🙈

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, a700hitter said:

That was 54 years ago, not 30.

Danny Cater was never a power bat either.

[a700hitter]

5 hours ago, SoxDiehard said:

So who catches if Wong gets injured????

I think we got 2 catchers in the deal - the other being Rodgers.

[SoxPhan]

6 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

NP, I don't get too deep into the minutiae.  Given that Skubal's talent probably offsets Rutschman's extra year, the difference in talent is immaterial.  I think we needed a catcher more than two month's of an ace.

For sure. I was never advocating for Skubal. I was advocating for using our eggs to fill multiple baskets instead of putting them all in the hopefully healthy catcher basket. If he comes back healthy and plays well, and the staff doesn't miss a beat, I'll change my tune real quick. 

[a700hitter]

4 hours ago, UtahSox said:

Marcelo Mayer an untouchable 1 year ago…. For Erik miller

They should have traded him a year ago and got a bigger return.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

First Rut Man has to get back on the field, and stay there, which has been no sure thing the last two years. Second Skubal most likely will resign with the Dodgers, so all your calculations speculations will all most likely be way off.🙈

Skubal might re-sign with the Dodgers.  If they’re not the favorites, they’re certainly high on the list.  But that has nothing to do with this trade, even if he extends tomorrow.    And he very well might, with LA trying to get his deal in just in case the new CBA inhibits it somehow.  But regardless, the trade was for 2 months of Skubal…

[notin]

Just now, a700hitter said:

They should have traded him a year ago and got a bigger return.

And Duran two years ago.

But with Mayer, Arias wasn’t looking like the same prospect a year ago..

 

[MADSTORK]

You can spin this deal any you want but in the end it’s a huge overpay 

you boys put a finger in one ear and listen good, as an Organization YOU Scout Draft and Develop Catching, you don’t trade for it, you don’t spend in FA on it and you don’t trade Starting caliber pitching for it !

the position is to labor intensive after 3 or 4 years behind plate these players go to DH or 1B and that’s if they can hit..

Breezelow trade grade D

I’ll Quote the great Tito Francona “good luck with that”

 

[SoxPhan]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Well, technically I said not a rental reliever.  Also, yes, you’re crazy 🤪 

But at least it’s one of the happy kinds…

Haha. Just crazy enough to work. 

And I said we'd be do well to get a good RP for Mayer, and was met with much backlash. lol. The subject was Morejon who is better, but a rental. I might still take Morejon for a playoff run over controllable years from Miller, but that might just be me. Still feel validated though. 🤣

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Skubal might re-sign with the Dodgers.  If they’re not the favorites, they’re certainly high on the list.  But that has nothing to do with this trade, even if he extends tomorrow.    And he very well might, with LA trying to get his deal in just in case the new CBA inhibits it somehow.  But regardless, the trade was for 2 months of Skubal…

Plus the PO's, which I'm sure was the main motivation for the trade.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, notin said:

And Duran two years ago.

But with Mayer, Arias wasn’t looking like the same prospect a year ago..

 

That's what is meant about hindsight being golden.

[notin]

1 minute ago, SoxPhan said:

Haha. Just crazy enough to work. 

And I said we'd be do well to get a good RP for Mayer, and was met with much backlash. lol. The subject was Morejon who is better, but a rental. I might still take Morejon for a playoff run over controllable years from Miller, but that might just be me. Still feel validated though. 🤣

I could cling to the “but not a rental” to validate my stance, but I am taking the L there…

[notin]

3 minutes ago, MADSTORK said:

You can spin this deal any you want but in the end it’s a huge overpay 

you boys put a finger in one ear and listen good, as an Organization YOU Scout Draft and Develop Catching, you don’t trade for it, you don’t spend in FA on it and you don’t trade Starting caliber pitching for it !

the position is to labor intensive after 3 or 4 years behind plate these players go to DH or 1B and that’s if they can hit..

Breezelow trade grade D

I’ll Quote the great Tito Francona “good luck with that”

 

Enjoy your fourth first baseman…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The Cards just blew a 6-0 lead over the Yankems.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Plus the PO's, which I feel was the main motivation for the trade.

Assuming LA makes it.  I mean, they just got swept at home by a team that was 32-46 not too long ago…