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Posted
18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Jordan was not the next 3B/1B/DH call-up in our system, when we traded him. I doubt he was even 2nd or 3rd on the farm to MLB depth charts.

just curious....who was the next 3B/1B/DH call up? and the one after that?

Posted
4 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

just curious....who was the next 3B/1B/DH call up? and the one after that?

Aside from Sogard, Vaughn Grissom maybe? 

Posted
2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Blaze's problem hasn't been his hit tool. His BA has been 275-300 the majority of his MiLB career. His issue was tapping into his power. He just may settle in as a 15-20 HR guy and maybe even a platoon guy. His defense isn't a calling card either. 

Isn’t he still on 22 years old?

Posted
1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

just curious....who was the next 3B/1B/DH call up? and the one after that?

The MLB depth of Romy at 1B, Several players at DH and Mayer/DHam at 3B may have prevented the need for a minor league call-up.

Jordan started the 2015 season in AA (at 1B.) We did have issues at 1B in 2025 with the Casas injury. We ended up adding D Smith and later N Lowe (after the Jordan trade) rather than promoting Jordan from AA or keeping him over adding Lowe, later.

Players ahead of him on the depth chart were....

MLB:

1B Casas & Romy

3B Bregman, DHam, Romy

DH: Yoshida, Refsnyder, Romy & 4th OF'er

AAA:

1B : Toro, Hickey, Binelas

3B: Toro, Mayer, Sogard, Grissom

DH: Toro, Anthony, Hickey, T Thompson

Posted
2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

YUP!

Had we advanced in the 2025 playoffs, the Matz trade would not be criticized, unless he melted down and cost us a playoff game.

LOL so true about that last part.

See: Tony Graffanino, Ian Kinsler.

Posted
1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

LOL so true about that last part.

See: Tony Graffanino, Ian Kinsler.

Bill Buckner?  I mean, the Sox did give up a Hall of Famer to get him…

Posted

Jordan was also Rule 5 eligible after last season (also 2024, when he went unselected), so unless the Sox planned to keep him on the 40 man roster, he was going to be exposed to the draft again…

Posted
1 minute ago, notin said:

Jordan is also Rule 5 eligible after this season, so unless the Sox planned to keep him on the 40 man roster, he was going to be exposed to the draft…

He was Rule 5 eligible after last season too. Nobody tried drafting him.

Posted
1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He was Rule 5 eligible after last season too. Nobody tried drafting him.

I updated my post while you were typing.  Yes he was already exposed to get away for nothing after 2024, and anyone (including Boston) could have selected him from St. Louis this past off-season.

Drohan l got selected and returned and yet he was a mistake to trade…

Posted
7 minutes ago, notin said:

Bill Buckner?  I mean, the Sox did give up a Hall of Famer to get him…

The category I was going for was "trade deadline acquisition who was pretty good but had disastrous screwup in postseason".

Posted
2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The category I was going for was "trade deadline acquisition who was pretty good but had disastrous screwup in postseason".

Buckner was acquired in late May.  Sort of a gray area here.  Not at the deadline, but certainly not in the off-season either.

We need a ruling!

Posted
6 minutes ago, notin said:

Buckner was acquired in late May.  Sort of a gray area here.  Not at the deadline, but certainly not in the off-season either.

We need a ruling!

May of what year? 

Posted
23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

May of what year? 

Good point.  I think May of 1984 might be too early to consider him a 1986 trade deadline acquisition.  But that‘s me…

Posted
44 minutes ago, notin said:

Jordan was also Rule 5 eligible after last season (also 2024, when he went unselected), so unless the Sox planned to keep him on the 40 man roster, he was going to be exposed to the draft again…

Yup, and since nobody wanted him Rule 5, the year prior, I'm not sure any GM saw the 400 foot bombs as a kid as anything that special.

Posted
40 minutes ago, notin said:

Drohan l got selected and returned and yet he was a mistake to trade…

I love this one almost as much as the DHam- pining posts.

Posted
4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Jordan was not the next 3B/1B/DH call-up in our system, when we traded him. I doubt he was even 2nd or 3rd on the farm to MLB depth charts.

He was ready and we had nobody because they kicked the pooch on Bregman. Not that I’m upset AB is not here. Jordan is probably not an all star but he was capable of playing both corners. Really, my whole point on a lot of Breslows trades are timing and trading Players with no real replacement. When he traded Harrison he just traded like 3 depth guys, and then they traded two more starting depth guys for a Punch and Judy middle infielder playing out of position. Albeit he’s plying a solid 3b, his natural and best spot is 2b, which we also needed to a lesser extent. That’s 5 starters. Kinda dumb. 

do you trust Breslow to make the right moves at the deadline? I don’t. Even Theo has come out against how breslow relies too much on analytics to make decisions.

Posted
4 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

just curious....who was the next 3B/1B/DH call up? and the one after that?

Jordan was in AAA and had nothing left to really do there. He wasn’t a top guy, but capable of doing the job. Also gives him a shot that I thought he had earned. You got s*** back for him. Bad trade IMO..

Posted
On 6/20/2026 at 10:43 PM, a700hitter said:

There will always be someone out there having a good week, then getting a lot of 'what ifs', and then settling into a run of mediocrity.  i actually have my Statcast set to call up Yorke, because someone was singing his praises.  

Posted
On 6/21/2026 at 8:44 AM, Hugh2 said:

Here and now, he’s 5 for his last 8.  He’s an elite middle of the order bat.  Here and now 

The 'here and now' thingy appears to be extremely flexible.  I do not have the foggiest idea, whatsoever, why people cannot admit that Durbin looks exactly like the 2.7 bWAR player we traded for.  It is not like he is the only player that doesn't have hot and cold streaks.

Posted
On 6/21/2026 at 12:31 PM, moonslav59 said:

They traded for Contreras December 22, which was 11 days after Alonso signed, but judging by our meager offer to Alonso, I'm not sure he was clearly our first and realistic choice to play 1B.

That'll fall on deaf ears.  Breslow probably did exactly what 100% of all GMs do.  The probably have a board of 30+ names on it.  And every name comes with a 'what if'.  Once they found Contreras at a reasonable price, their interest (and price) in Alonso goes down.  Same as Bregman and Durbin.  The price tag for Bregman has to be affected by the price tag Durbin.  That's the same as if one of us was looking at a car or a house.  If you find a nice house down the block, you won't pay double that amount for a slightly nicer house a block over.

Posted
On 6/21/2026 at 12:38 PM, moonslav59 said:

The Harrison for Durbin trade was not that type of trade, and it's perfectly okay to say we have lost on the trade so far, but the final judgement is years away.

We won it, and imho, we won it huge.  That Mil also won is of no consequence to me.  Hamilton is Hamilton (and I like him), and Harrison was never going to get a chance to start with us, and likely was going to be a BP piece.

Posted
2 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

Jordan was in AAA and had nothing left to really do there. He wasn’t a top guy, but capable of doing the job. Also gives him a shot that I thought he had earned. You got s*** back for him. Bad trade IMO..

Matz was pretty good.

We played Toro, Dom Smith and later added Nate Lowe play 1B rather than call up Jordan. We also had Toro play 3B, when Breggie got hurt and had Romy, DHam, Mayer and others as depth oncer Breggie went down. Jordan was never mentioned as an option that I heard of.

I hope he does well with the Cards, but he never impressed me any more than so many others like Lars, Bobby D, Chavis, Casas ...

Posted
On 6/21/2026 at 9:10 PM, a700hitter said:

Dave D had a knack for trading the guys that never made it.   Breslow seems to trade guys without giving them any opportunity with the RedSox who go on to have significant success elsewhere..

I think that was DD's strong suit, but not everyone gets a shot.  Blaze, imho, looked like a guy that could be a marginal starter in MLB, but more likely a good sub.  These are the guys you give up for a #5 SP.  No one is giving up on Matz unless the prospect has at least some type of shot,

Posted
13 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

If anybody takes back that Pearce trade, they're an idiot. 

That matches up well with what I just said about Blaze.  You have to give up guys to get guys.  DD traded Ben Brown to get Robertson.  Brown is starting to pitch well for the Cubs, so good for the Cubs.  But I'd make that trade every day of the week.  DD gave up Tait and Abel for Duran, and in another two years, it could be a disaster.  But it was a trade DD needed to make.

You don't get Robertson or Duran without giving up something that might hurt at some point.  Same with Blaze, Harrison, and others.

Posted
10 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Michael Chavis first 123 PA:

10 HR, 283 BA, 967 OPS

That's reminiscent of the Blaze and Montgomery trades.  Chavis hit a HR in his 2nd game as a Pirate and some of the fans howled about trading away a future HOF.  He had an incredible 42/1 K/W that year, and some fans just didn't want to see it.

Posted
9 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

just curious....who was the next 3B/1B/DH call up? and the one after that?

3B was always likely going to be Mayer, with Arias taking over SS.  Casas was always assumed to be the 1B, even after the injury.

Posted
5 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

they kicked the pooch on Bregman. Not that I’m upset AB is not here.

Those two statements don't sound like they belong together.  'Kicking the pooch' makes it sound like you thought they mad e mistake not re-signing him.

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