Boston Red Sox Looking To Add Right-Handed Bat

[a700hitter]

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i guess that I am not the only one.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, a700hitter said:

https://fanrecap.com/boston-red-sox/blaze-jordan-is-giving-red-sox-fans-another-familiar-frustration--Glmk5

 

i guess that I am not the only one.

It's very common for people to go goo-goo gah-gah over tiny sample sizes.

[Old Red]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

It's very common for people to go goo-goo gah-gah over tiny sample sizes.

Some of you have such a hard time with the concept of the here, and now. 1 game is all it takes for the here, and now to begin.🤭

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Some of you have such a hard time with the concept of the here, and now. 1 game is all it takes for the here, and now to begin.🤭

Caleb Durbin is playing like an MVP and proving this to be the best trade ever

[Old Red]

38 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Caleb Durbin is playing like an MVP and proving this to be the best trade ever

It took DUBin a long time to get his BA over .100, and then a long time to get it over .200. Now it looks like he has some life in that bat, which is good to see. Here, and now.

[Hugh2]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It took DUBin a long time to get his BA over .100, and then a long time to get it over .200. Now it looks like he has some life in that bat, which is good to see. Here, and now.

Here and now, he’s 5 for his last 8.  He’s an elite middle of the order bat.  Here and now 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Here and now, he’s 5 for his last 8.  He’s an elite middle of the order bat.  Here and now 

He hitting the ball a lot better, and has had some loud outs too. Remember it a low bar, because he was a settle.

[Hugh2]

36 minutes ago, Old Red said:

He hitting the ball a lot better, and has had some loud outs too. Remember it a low bar, because he was a settle.

A settle? Here and now he’s great.  Not a settle

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Caleb Durbin is playing like an MVP and proving this to be the best trade ever

Yes, because "NOW" is all that matters. (Note: Harrison has an ERA north of 6 in his last 3 starts.)

We might not have to wait 5 years to call that trade a win or push.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

A settle? Here and now he’s great.  Not a settle

He’s a settle no matter what he does just like the Con Man at 1B. How they turn out will be determined just like I said before the season started.

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, because "NOW" is all that matters. (Note: Harrison has an ERA north of 6 in his last 3 starts.)

We might not have to wait 5 years to call that trade a win or push.

When was his last game that counted? When’s his next game that will count? It’s not all that complicated.🤭

 

[Bellhorn04]

32 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, because "NOW" is all that matters. (Note: Harrison has an ERA north of 6 in his last 3 starts.)

Well, he had one disaster start and has had 2 more excellent ones since.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Well, he had one disaster start and has had 2 more excellent ones since.

Yes, I cherry-picked. (IMO, his last start was 6.1 IP and 2 ERs, which is good or very good but not really excellent.)

[Old Red]

40 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, because "NOW" is all that matters. (Note: Harrison has an ERA north of 6 in his last 3 starts.)

We might not have to wait 5 years to call that trade a win or push.

Let’s tell the whole story. 8 runs came in 1 start that bloated that ERA. His last start he gave up 2 ER in 6 innings, and his last 5 starts he’s given up 11 runs with 8 of those coming in 1 game. 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I cherry-picked. (IMO, his last start was 6.1 IP and 2 ERs, which is good or very good but not really excellent.)

Yes the OLD cherry picker.

[Hugh2]

59 minutes ago, Old Red said:

He’s a settle no matter what he does just like the Con Man at 1B. How they turn out will be determined just like I said before the season started.

Contreras has been one of the best hitters in the AL but it’s a settle because of how he was perceived in the past? Does the same apply to a prospect who many scouts didn’t think would pan out and looks ok on just 30 at bats?  
 

im confused, is it a settle or a here and now?

[Old Red]

22 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Contreras has been one of the best hitters in the AL but it’s a settle because of how he was perceived in the past? Does the same apply to a prospect who many scouts didn’t think would pan out and looks ok on just 30 at bats?  
 

im confused, is it a settle or a here and now?

You guys crack me up. Con Man is a settle, because he wasn’t the Red Sox first choice for 1B. Alonso was offered a contract first, and then after he turned the Red Sox down the Red Sox turned to Con Man. Bregman was the Red Dox first choice for 3B, but when Brez botched the negotiations, and he signed with the Cubs the Red Sox settled on DUBin. The settle has Nothing to do with the here, and now, and the settle is old news now.

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Contreras has been one of the best hitters in the AL but it’s a settle because of how he was perceived in the past? Does the same apply to a prospect who many scouts didn’t think would pan out and looks ok on just 30 at bats?  
 

im confused, is it a settle or a here and now?

Shifting criteria runs rampant everywhere- not just TalkSox.

We constantly hear how ex Sox players are doing- mostly only the ones doing well. Many times, it's doing well in tiny sample sizes, then when they start sucking or get hurt, the talk stops, and it's on to the next hot item. The numbers matter for them, but when someone points out the good to great numbers by Contreras, Gray and Suarez, we are told only W-Ls matter, and Brez can't make good moves.

[notin]

6 hours ago, Old Red said:

Some of you have such a hard time with the concept of the here, and now. 1 game is all it takes for the here, and now to begin.🤭

… unless it’s a Sox hitter.

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I cherry-picked. (IMO, his last start was 6.1 IP and 2 ERs, which is good or very good but not really excellent.)

6.1 innings, 4 hits, 0 walks, 7 K's.  So that's an ERA of 2.84, a WHIP of .63, and a K/BB of infinity.  

We're really splitting hairs if we're arguing about whether this is excellent or not. 

 

[notin]

16 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You guys crack me up. Con Man is a settle, because he wasn’t the Red Sox first choice for 1B. Alonso was offered a contract first, and then after he turned the Red Sox down the Red Sox turned to Con Man. Bregman was the Red Dox first choice for 3B, but when Brez botched the negotiations, and he signed with the Cubs the Red Sox settled on DUBin. The settle has Nothing to do with the here, and now, and the settle is old news now.

We really don’t know who their first choice was.  Maybe they turned to Alonso after the original talks with St. Louis went sour.

Maybe (re: most likely) neither was their first choice and some talks with someone else never progressed far enough..

At any rate, none of this matters.  They have Contreras. I mean, hopefully you don’t consider your wife a “settle” because she wasn’t the first woman you dated…

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

… unless it’s a Sox hitter.

HUH?

[notin]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

HUH?

Your goal posts for “here and now” shift to cover your agenda…

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

We really don’t know who their first choice was.  Maybe they turned to Alonso after the original talks with St. Louis went sour.

Maybe (re: most likely) neither was their first choice and some talks with someone else never progressed far enough..

At any rate, none of this matters.  They have Contreras. I mean, hopefully you don’t consider your wife a “settle” because she wasn’t the first woman you dated…

 HUH? Anything to backup any of your, we don’t know, maybe, or most likely? We know Alonso was offered  contract before Con Man came here.

[Hugh2]

25 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You guys crack me up. Con Man is a settle, because he wasn’t the Red Sox first choice for 1B. Alonso was offered a contract first, and then after he turned the Red Sox down the Red Sox turned to Con Man. Bregman was the Red Dox first choice for 3B, but when Brez botched the negotiations, and he signed with the Cubs the Red Sox settled on DUBin. The settle has Nothing to do with the here, and now, and the settle is old news now.

You don’t see the irony in this do you?

[Old Red]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

You don’t see the irony in this do you?

I do. This is all old news now, and you don’t get it, which is okay. We each have our own way at looking at things, and I know it’s tough for some if it’s not on some kind of spread sheet, so hi neighbor, and have a Gansett.

[notin]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

 HUH? Anything to backup any of your, we don’t know, maybe, or most likely? We know Alonso was offered  contract before Con Man came here.

Yes we do.  But when did the Sox start talking to St. Louis vs Alonso?  Were these the first two parties they engaged?  Did you know trades can take longer to work out than free agency because players like Contreras have existing contracts that need to be reviewed? How long does that take?

In case you haven’t figured it out yet, the answer to all of these questions for most of us is “I don’t know.”  Which is why youre the only one claiming who was first choice and who was settled for.  It’s not because youre more informed.  Same info as the rest of us; we just don’t make the assumptions you make…

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, notin said:

We really don’t know who their first choice was.  Maybe they turned to Alonso after the original talks with St. Louis went sour.

Maybe (re: most likely) neither was their first choice and some talks with someone else never progressed far enough..

At any rate, none of this matters.  They have Contreras. I mean, hopefully you don’t consider your wife a “settle” because she wasn’t the first woman you dated…

They traded for Contreras December 22, which was 11 days after Alonso signed, but judging by our meager offer to Alonso, I'm not sure he was clearly our first and realistic choice to play 1B.

The Contreras trade was also long before Breggie signed, but I do believe Breggie was always our first choice as a winter add. They play different positions, so wanting both was the likely situation.

Contreras is doing great NOW, so I'm not sure why the goal posts are being moved. Alonso is doing well "now," but at a much higher cost, and he's still doing worse than Willson by any 2026 time frame chosen. Contreras is also a way better defender.

Durbin may end up near Breggie in the season ending 2026 OPS. Both are excellent on D.

Suarez and Gray look as good as pitching additions than any other team did.

This is not letting Brez off the hook. He failed to add another big bat, and several of us wanted two more big bats beyond Willson. The pen was also left exposed. We can't keep counting on converted SP'ers to the pen, as we end up going 10-13 deep in the SP'er depth chart year after year. We are not even halfway through the 2026 season, and we are at least at #11.

1 Crochet 2 Suarez 3 Gray 4 Bello 5 Houck 6 Crawford 7 Sandoval 8 Oviedo 9 Tolle 10 Early 11 Bennett. We've also been forced to use an opener in 4 games.

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

You don’t see the irony in this do you?

He thinks if you don't agree with him, you cant or don't understand his point.

He wildly changes his criteria and expects us to follow along and agree with them.

"Now" matters only when it fits "What [he] said before..." 

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

6.1 innings, 4 hits, 0 walks, 7 K's.  So that's an ERA of 2.84, a WHIP of .63, and a K/BB of infinity.  

We're really splitting hairs if we're arguing about whether this is excellent or not. 

 

Agreed.

Harrison is having an excellent season.

Priester was last year, and now we hardly hear about that "horrible trade."

Someday, the Harrison trade may be viewed differently, just as the Priester deal might be, depending on how YRod, Holobetz and Phillips turn out. 

Using only the "now" criteria when you trade for prospects is seriously flawed.

The Harrison for Durbin trade was not that type of trade, and it's perfectly okay to say we have lost on the trade so far, but the final judgement is years away.