Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[mvp 78]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, but I think Romero is falling.

Paez and Romero wouldn't get drafted in Rule 5 anyway. No reason to worry about needing to trade them.

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

If I'm the Sox brass I'm looking at this homestand vs. the A.L. East coming out of the all star break.  If they go 5-4 or better in that stretch then with few caveats I'd be buying. 

You'd be buying if they go 5-4 against the 4th and 5th teams in the AL East when playing at Home? I guess it's better than losing, but it's not something I'm pounding my chest over. They still have a west coast trip vs A's and Dodgers right after. 

[Hugh2]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You'd be buying if they go 5-4 against the 4th and 5th teams in the AL East when playing at Home? I guess it's better than losing, but it's not something I'm pounding my chest over. They still have a west coast trip vs A's and Dodgers right after. 

I forgot that the trade deadline is August 3rd this year, for some reason I thought it was July 31st. 

Either way, they don't have to be buyers right now.  They have more time to prove themselves. 

[Hugh2]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox system is notably weaker than it has been. Being a top 20 guy doesn't mean much. 

BA just released their mid season rankings parking Boston at #14.  The system isn't weak but it is weaker; that will happen when you graduate the #17 and #52 ranked prospect.  I don't think that says much about what happens past the top 10.  I actually like the Sox depth, the system might have taken a hit because top heavy guys have graduated but I'm not sure how much that speaks about the depth of a system. 

[southpaw777]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox system is notably weaker than it has been. Being a top 20 guy doesn't mean much. 

There’s not much from 11-20. All the talent that has proven themselves so far are top ten. Besides Cespedes and Soto just a bunch of middling prospects.  Wehunt Uberstine Romero and the like…they won’t get you much back.

if they do go for it they should see if the Os, if they’re out of it, will want to rid themselves of the Alonso deal. He’s got 21hr after heating up mid may. I’ll take him for 4 more. I’d also go get another starter because we won’t have Tolle or Bennett if they care about their arms. 
but my big question is when/if our starters will all be back this year, and in what condition. If they’re truly going for it this year they had better win it all because they have a legit shot to stockpile prospects/players to keep for this offseason or for trades.

this team sucked for 3 months, goes on a hot streak vs a decimated NYY team and all the worst teams in MLB and now all of a sudden some think they’re legit contenders? Nope. I’m not there yet.

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I forgot that the trade deadline is August 3rd this year, for some reason I thought it was July 31st. 

Either way, they don't have to be buyers right now.  They have more time to prove themselves. 

They have a good stretch at home to reverse the nonsensical way they've played at Fenway so far. Then they can go out west and have a strong showing and maybe make a real case. 

Right now, they are still 2 games below .500. That's a huge point to me. 

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

BA just released their mid season rankings parking Boston at #14.  The system isn't weak but it is weaker; that will happen when you graduate the #17 and #52 ranked prospect.  I don't think that says much about what happens past the top 10.  I actually like the Sox depth, the system might have taken a hit because top heavy guys have graduated but I'm not sure how much that speaks about the depth of a system. 

The system is still very top heavy. After the top 10 guys, there really isn't much left to talk about. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, southpaw777 said:

There’s not much from 11-20. All the talent that has proven themselves so far are top ten. Besides Cespedes and Soto just a bunch of middling prospects.  Wehunt Uberstine Romero and the like…they won’t get you much back.

if they do go for it they should see if the Os, if they’re out of it, will want to rid themselves of the Alonso deal. He’s got 21hr after heating up mid may. I’ll take him for 4 more. I’d also go get another starter because we won’t have Tolle or Bennett if they care about their arms. 
but my big question is when/if our starters will all be back this year, and in what condition. If they’re truly going for it this year they had better win it all because they have a legit shot to stockpile prospects/players to keep for this offseason or for trades.

this team sucked for 3 months, goes on a hot streak vs a decimated NYY team and all the worst teams in MLB and now all of a sudden some think they’re legit contenders? Nope. I’m not there yet.

I'd take Alonso as a DH. It would depend on what they are giving up, but you'd get him to sit on the bench and hit dingers. 

I just don't want them to buy expensive rentals. 

[southpaw777]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd take Alonso as a DH. It would depend on what they are giving up, but you'd get him to sit on the bench and hit dingers. 

I just don't want them to buy expensive rentals. 

Same. I’ll take all the money too so I don’t have to send a top prospect back. Maybe a couple guys from 11-20. He’sd be a perfect fit too. Henry is only spending 200m in real money. Dude can afford a 10m tax to win a ring if the AAV goes there. I mean, either they stop being cowards and really go for it or sell. Don’t half azz it, like I think they will.

Ive heard a couple names bantered about here to trade for, but IMHO none of them are game changers. Alonso would be.

[drewski6]

31 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You'd be buying if they go 5-4 against the 4th and 5th teams in the AL East when playing at Home? I guess it's better than losing, but it's not something I'm pounding my chest over. They still have a west coast trip vs A's and Dodgers right after. 

Okay but dont be the last hater in the room alone with fred.  Im eyeing my exit from the haterade ball myself and wondering if the optimists bandwagon saved me a seat when Ive been mostly a hater in 2026 (which is against my default, im usually quite optimistic with my teams).

[drewski6]

22 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

BA just released their mid season rankings parking Boston at #14.  The system isn't weak but it is weaker; that will happen when you graduate the #17 and #52 ranked prospect.  I don't think that says much about what happens past the top 10.  I actually like the Sox depth, the system might have taken a hit because top heavy guys have graduated but I'm not sure how much that speaks about the depth of a system. 

even with the graduates, I dont know how they get to 14.  Bennet and Arias are blue-chip for sure (unless Bennet just graduated, then I can see the drop) plus there are other intriguing guys in there like Gonzales and a couple of resurgers like Cespedes and username.  Plus more live arms like Witherspoon (not reece) and that other guy you guys are always talking about (valera?)

And then Eyanson

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Okay but dont be the last hater in the room alone with fred.  Im eyeing my exit from the haterade ball myself and wondering if the optimists bandwagon saved me a seat when Ive been mostly a hater in 2026 (which is against my default, im usually quite optimistic with my teams).

I think you'll find that I'm being realistic.

[Hugh2]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The system is still very top heavy. After the top 10 guys, there really isn't much left to talk about. 

I think there are a TON of guys with talent, youth and ceiling that are very much worth talking about. 

Dorian Soto, Marcus Phillips, Harold Rivas, Jack Winnay, Gerardo Rodriguez, Hector Ramos, Garielvin Silverio 

All within the top 30 and very intriguing names.  

[JAG]

2 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

Why so excited about Roman Anthony when he hasn’t done much in MLB yet? I mean, I get it to a point, but To expect him come back and be some sort of offensive threat is a little premature if you ansk me.  He was batting 200 when he got hurt. crochet hasn’t even thrown a baseball yet. Neither has Connolly early. How is Suarez‘s groin? Do you expect them to come back soon and be at the top of their game?  Bennett will NOT be a factor due to IP limits. Tolle is almost at his IP from last year. 10 more ip and he’s there, so. I’m guessing he’ll be gassed bye mid September. if they do what they did last night and only throw him 3-4ip and mix him with Bello? Maybe. we might need another starter down the stretch like we did with Peavey for Iggy trade. Also we need a bat that will make a difference. Not some middling player just to say we got someone. If we think we’re getting these pieces by giving up our crap then think again. If We truly wanna have a team that can legitimately compete for a World Series say goodbye to the top few prospects. Not sure we’re there this year.

we played a decimated Yankees team, Colorado, LAA, NYM…it wasn’t like we played the cubbies dodgers or brewers. It was nice to see but let’s not fool ourselves. We still have some important pieces needed and a bunch still hurt

you aren't wrong but I hate quitting. I have hope that the summer isn't lost. Why aren't the yankees ever sellers? aren't the sox a big market team? I am hoping for some miracles after the all star rest.

[Hugh2]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

even with the graduates, I dont know how they get to 14.  Bennet and Arias are blue-chip for sure (unless Bennet just graduated, then I can see the drop) plus there are other intriguing guys in there like Gonzales and a couple of resurgers like Cespedes and username.  Plus more live arms like Witherspoon (not reece) and that other guy you guys are always talking about (valera?)

And then Eyanson

I mean they have roughly 160 guys in their system, as do other teams.  How do all those players stack up against the sox 15 and below???

[notin]

51 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Paez and Romero wouldn't get drafted in Rule 5 anyway. No reason to worry about needing to trade them.

Paez got selected this past offseason…

[JAG]

55 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

SF wants to extend Arraez. Crochet and Anthony don't have a timetable for a return.

Don't really know about Early. With the added innings, are you not concerned about future injuries to Tolle or Bennett? 

Duran, Mayer and Bello all saw their stock plummet. They wouldn't fetch much at this point. 

Trout's contract would be a nightmare. The reason you sign a long term guy like Trout is for the first few seasons, not to get him for the back half of the contract. 

yes I understand but I want some kind of hope that the summer isn't lost. I am not the kind of fan that wants a good draft pick next year. The sox are a big market team, let's act like it.

[Hugh2]

13 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

even with the graduates, I dont know how they get to 14.  Bennet and Arias are blue-chip for sure (unless Bennet just graduated, then I can see the drop) plus there are other intriguing guys in there like Gonzales and a couple of resurgers like Cespedes and username.  Plus more live arms like Witherspoon (not reece) and that other guy you guys are always talking about (valera?)

And then Eyanson

ADD:

I think a lot of prospect rankers weight proximity to majors heavily.  

Guys like Sadbiel Delzine, or Harld Rivas might show immense potential and could be top 100 prospects in a few years......but every system has a few guys like that and a lot can happen between now and then.  I think the Sox have a lot of those guys, and they seem to do better than most at developing those guys up the ladder. 

[drewski6]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think you'll find that I'm being realistic.

everyone is a realist in their own eyes.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I think there are a TON of guys with talent, youth and ceiling that are very much worth talking about. 

Dorian Soto, Marcus Phillips, Harold Rivas, Jack Winnay, Gerardo Rodriguez, Hector Ramos, Garielvin Silverio 

All within the top 30 and very intriguing names.  

I think Soto is very overrated. The pitching in the FCL isn't very good and he's only sporting a 586 OPS. All the hype centered on his athleticism and signing bonus. I've seen enough of those guys flop (sorry) over the past few seasons that I'm over that profile. They need to prove it before they get a rocket strapped to them.

Phillips is a reliever to me. 

Ramos also has a 570 OPS in FCL.

All young players have some sort of upside. I think this group just has less upside than some recent top 30 lists we've had.

 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, JAG said:

you aren't wrong but I hate quitting. I have hope that the summer isn't lost. Why aren't the yankees ever sellers? aren't the sox a big market team? I am hoping for some miracles after the all star rest.

The Yankees aren't sellers because they make the playoffs almost every season. They are still 7 games ahead of the Sox even after the Sox have gone on a crazy winning streak and Judge has been out.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Paez got selected this past offseason…

He won't this year. If he does, I'm not sure the Sox would worry about it. He's not worth a 40 man spot.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

yes I understand but I want some kind of hope that the summer isn't lost. I am not the kind of fan that wants a good draft pick next year. The sox are a big market team, let's act like it.

Tell that to John Henry? 🤷‍♂️

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

ADD:

I think a lot of prospect rankers weight proximity to majors heavily.  

Guys like Sadbiel Delzine, or Harld Rivas might show immense potential and could be top 100 prospects in a few years......but every system has a few guys like that and a lot can happen between now and then.  I think the Sox have a lot of those guys, and they seem to do better than most at developing those guys up the ladder. 

100%

We just pay attention to the guys in our system. The same types of players exist throughout MiLB. 

[southpaw777]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The Yankees aren't sellers because they make the playoffs almost every season. They are still 7 games ahead of the Sox even after the Sox have gone on a crazy winning streak and Judge has been out.

They have stability in the ownership and front office. They don’t change philosophies and front office personnel every 3-4 years. NYY have what the Sox ownership has stripped this organization of. Stability and loyalty to the process and their word means spit.

he won’t, but Henry should sell and allow someone who really cares about something other than himself own the team. f him.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

4 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

everyone is a realist in their own eyes.

Today I'm an optimist - that's why I want Brez to add a bat NOW. 

One trade, help the offense, reward the bench warmers having the time of their lives, and see what happens.

They have an opportunity to take advantage if they really are smart. We're not having a fire sale or selling the farm, just enhancing the moment...

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, southpaw777 said:

They have stability in the ownership and front office. They don’t change philosophies and front office personnel every 3-4 years. NYY have what the Sox ownership has stripped this organization of. Stability and loyalty to the process and their word means spit.

he won’t, but Henry should sell and allow someone who really cares about something other than himself own the team. f him.

Henry should keep the team, but hold onto a CBO for longer than 4 years and make sure ownership stays out of their way. That's the whiplash that is causing the Sox to not have a real run. Bloom/DD/Breslow, they should stick with a guy and hand the keys over. Ever since Theo left, it has felt like ownership has played too large a part in decision making. 

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Today I'm an optimist - that's why I want Brez to add a bat NOW. 

One trade, help the offense, reward the bench warmers having the time of their lives, and see what happens.

They have an opportunity to take advantage if they really are smart. We're not having a fire sale or selling the farm, just enhancing the moment...

Not Lindor though!!! There were some people who wanted to trade for Lindor because of the drama with Soto. I think we saw what happened recently as reason we don't need him on this team. 

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Getting antsy. The winning streak and pitching has the Sox legitimately back in this, but we all know there's no way they can keep it up through the entire second half without better hitting.

Boston was as bad as ever with RISP in NY this weekend. The reason the Red Sox have scored enough these past few weeks is they're finally doing what most modern teams do to win: hit a couple home runs per game with men on base.

Breslow doesn't need to wait to see if it will continue before he decides to buy or sell-- it won't, so he owes it to the team and the fans to get another power bat ASAP to help determine direction.

A few trade targets and their ages, guys on contracts teams might not mind parting with for a promising pitching prospect (or two):

Christian Walker, 35 and Brian Reynolds 31 -- basically a DH and an outfielder. Younger guys who would cost more: Casey Schmidt, 27, outfielder, and Spencer Steer, 28, infielder/outfielder. Old reliable: Josh Bell, 93.

 

 

 

walker 35 schmidt 27 steer 28 reynolds 31 josh bell 93

Only Schmidt and Steer are from teams likely to be sellers.  Some of others might, but theyre all too close to call.  Pitt is already trying to buy from Boston, for example.

Steer figures to be more likely available than Schmidt, who is in the midst of a breakout season in an aging Giants’ infield.

Not many obvious sellers, and teams like the Royals, Athletics and Mets have no obvious players they’d deal.  The Angels have Jo Adell and Jorge Soler they could part with.   The Padres are probably on the buy/sell fence but will give you Jake Cronenworth in exchange for a simple “please”.  If they sell, Ty France is likely available as well.   KC has nothing.  Colorado never seems to make deadline deals.  There are no useful Mets’ bats to be had. 
 

From this list, Steer is my personal favorite.  Now what Cincy wants for him is another matter.  Ty France might be the next best…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

Only Schmidt and Steer are from teams likely to be sellers.  Some of others might, but theyre all too close to call.  Pitt is already trying to buy from Boston, for example.

Steer figures to be more likely available than Schmidt, who is in the midst of a breakout season in an aging Giants’ infield.

Not many obvious sellers, and teams like the Royals, Athletics and Mets have no obvious players they’d deal.  The Angels have Jo Adell and Jorge Soler they could part with.   The Padres are probably on the buy/sell fence but will give you Jake Cronenworth in exchange for a simple “please”.  If they sell, Ty France is likely available as well.   KC has nothing.  Colorado never seems to make deadline deals.  There are no useful Mets’ bats to be had. 
 

From this list, Steer is my personal favorite.  Now what Cincy wants for him is another matter.  Ty France might be the next best…

I'd take France; he's a hitter I liked because he'd go the other way to put the ball in play.

Nothing personal to legendary Rockies hitters from the past, but I'm just not in the mood any more to trust guys who thrive in Colorado. 

Ellis Burks had 20 homer pop in Boston and in his first year in Coors hit 40? At age 31? It was 1996 if that means anything.