Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[JoeBrady]

18 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

meanwhile RSN is loving Durbin

Yup, it took a while, but he is finally starting to hit...

...a little.

[JoeBrady]

15 hours ago, harmony said:

Buying low on Gurriel would save the significant payroll.

Thoughts?

I don't see AZ making that trade straight up.  It would be more cost effective to cut Gurriel and eat the $11M.

That said, It's a very good fit.  Yoshi is surely better than what AZ has gotten from Gurriel.  Maybe some money from the RS, plus 1-2 lottery tickets might get it done.  And from the RS perspective, Gurriel is probably better than what we've seen (again, some future projection required).  Very good against lefties.  And just cheap enough that we can cut him if he tanks.

[Sthpaw777]

A 415 winning % , regardless of being 4.5 out of the wildcard, is NOT a serious world series contender. Breslow has proved that his pitching program is pretty good. Everything else’s he’s done pretty much sucks. I hope he’s not still thinking this team has a legit chance this year. They have an opportunity to get some good young controllable ballplayers back for next year. Unfortunately he’s kicked the pooch on his trades so I’m not too confident we will be successful with him leading that charge. I hope Theo steps in and “advises” him along the way…

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Sthpaw777 said:

A 415 winning % , regardless of being 4.5 out of the wildcard, is NOT a serious world series contender. Breslow has proved that his pitching program is pretty good. Everything else’s he’s done pretty much sucks. I hope he’s not still thinking this team has a legit chance this year. They have an opportunity to get some good young controllable ballplayers back for next year. Unfortunately he’s kicked the pooch on his trades so I’m not too confident we will be successful with him leading that charge. I hope Theo steps in and “advises” him along the way…

2nd worst record in the AL, but only 4.5 GB of the WC. It's not "parity," it's a watered down playoffs. They just need to sell. If they get a good offer from somebody, don't hang up the phone. 

[notin]

32 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

2nd worst record in the AL, but only 4.5 GB of the WC. It's not "parity," it's a watered down playoffs. They just need to sell. If they get a good offer from somebody, don't hang up the phone. 

Considering there has been zero traction in Breslow’s search for a right-handed hitter (such the rarity!!) going on how many weeks now, chances look better by the day this team will be selling.

Hopefully Breslow doesn’t go all Cherington on us and acquire veterans.  Get prospects.  If we need vets (and we do) those trades can be made in the off-season, when no one is limited to selling or buying,…

[Duran Is The Man]

44 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

2nd worst record in the AL, but only 4.5 GB of the WC. It's not "parity," it's a watered down playoffs. They just need to sell. If they get a good offer from somebody, don't hang up the phone. 

they definitely need to sell; the ship is sinking fast. my only concern with selling is Breslow's ability to make trades and judge talent. much of our highly ranked farm from a year ago is either underperforming on an epic scale (for the Red Sox) or traded away and meeting or exceeding expectations elsewhere.

[UtahSox]

18 minutes ago, notin said:

Considering there has been zero traction in Breslow’s search for a right-handed hitter (such the rarity!!) going on how many weeks now, chances look better by the day this team will be selling.

Hopefully Breslow doesn’t go all Cherington on us and acquire veterans.  Get prospects.  If we need vets (and we do) those trades can be made in the off-season, when no one is limited to selling or buying,…

Yeah the old “rebuild with prospects” route has really worked for us since 2019. Let’s get prospects while watching pitchers like Crochet, Suarez, Tolle and Early languish with an offense like this. Willson will be 35 next year. There are no bats in FA to add next year, unless you think Chisholm or Torres are the answer? So are you looking at 2028-2029 before we put a winning product on the field? who is to say those pitchers are the same guys by then? Depressing reality. 
 

 

[Old Red]

28 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Yeah the old “rebuild with prospects” route has really worked for us since 2019. Let’s get prospects while watching pitchers like Crochet, Suarez, Tolle and Early languish with an offense like this. Willson will be 35 next year. There are no bats in FA to add next year, unless you think Chisholm or Torres are the answer? So are you looking at 2028-2029 before we put a winning product on the field? who is to say those pitchers are the same guys by then? Depressing reality. 
 

 

Yea I’ve heard for the last 4 years that the farms boys were coming, the farm boys are coming, the farm boys are coming. Casas, KC, RAF Man, Teel, little Anthony, and Mayer should all be here by now, and once again as Bloom said things would be AWESOME. Far from being awesome as Uncle Jed would say about the 2026 Red Sox is pitiful just plain pitiful. As I warned many times that hype, and hope doesn’t guarantee success.

[Old Red]

32 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

they definitely need to sell; the ship is sinking fast. my only concern with selling is Breslow's ability to make trades and judge talent. much of our highly ranked farm from a year ago is either underperforming on an epic scale (for the Red Sox) or traded away and meeting or exceeding expectations elsewhere.

I don’t trust Breslow any more than I did Bloom navigating that third option in the fork in the road come trade deadline that they most likely will be looking for.🤔

[notin]

42 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Yeah the old “rebuild with prospects” route has really worked for us since 2019. Let’s get prospects while watching pitchers like Crochet, Suarez, Tolle and Early languish with an offense like this. Willson will be 35 next year. There are no bats in FA to add next year, unless you think Chisholm or Torres are the answer? So are you looking at 2028-2029 before we put a winning product on the field? who is to say those pitchers are the same guys by then? Depressing reality. 
 

 

Well, the answer should be “get prospects now” rather than questionable Allen Craig/Yoenis Cespedes vets that were acquired during previous deadline fire sales.  Then come November, you have more prospect capital to trade for players you need.  I thought when I said: 

“Get prospects.  If we need vets (and we do) those trades can be made in the off-season, when no one is limited to selling or buying”, that I was being fairly explicit that it shouldn’t be a straight prospect  build.

Also bear in mind, teams that want Chapman will NOT be trading RHH sluggers in July/August.  November might be a different story…

[notin]

26 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I don’t trust Breslow any more than I did Bloom navigating that third option in the fork in the road come trade deadline that they most likely will be looking for.🤔

Despite that it got us Wilyer Abreu?

 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Despite that it got us Wilyer Abreu?

NO, NO, and HELL NO!

[notin]

21 minutes ago, Old Red said:

NO, NO, and HELL NO!

Ok then.  How about despite that it never actually happened?

If your complaint anout Bloom was that he tried some sort of third trade deadline plan, you were clearly not paying attention.  Bloom’s deadline issues were that he was notoriously stagnant, rarely making moves at all.  In 2021, he did bring in Schwarber and a couple of nondescript RPs to help the bullpen.  But  after that he never committed to either action in any following deadline, making only borderline useless deals involving borderline useless players.  And this includes (and really, gets epitomized in) his biggest post 2021 deadline blockbuster- the 3 team Juan Soto trade where future stars like Soto, Mackenzie Gore, CJ Abrams, and James Wood were all trying on new uniforms.  And Boston? We got Eric Hosmer for a former first round pitcher that flamed out faster than asbestos insulation.  That was Bloom at the deadline.  Deals that don’t improve the present and don’t build for the future.  Just stand on the sidelines and watch other teams do either one or the other…

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Considering there has been zero traction in Breslow’s search for a right-handed hitter (such the rarity!!) going on how many weeks now, chances look better by the day this team will be selling.

Hopefully Breslow doesn’t go all Cherington on us and acquire veterans.  Get prospects.  If we need vets (and we do) those trades can be made in the off-season, when no one is limited to selling or buying,…

Bring back Tommy Pham!

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, UtahSox said:

Yeah the old “rebuild with prospects” route has really worked for us since 2019. Let’s get prospects while watching pitchers like Crochet, Suarez, Tolle and Early languish with an offense like this. Willson will be 35 next year. There are no bats in FA to add next year, unless you think Chisholm or Torres are the answer? So are you looking at 2028-2029 before we put a winning product on the field? who is to say those pitchers are the same guys by then? Depressing reality. 

You'd rather they keep rolling these guys out there? Let Chapman, Gray, Contreras all be gone after 2027 without anything to show for it? 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Yea I’ve heard for the last 4 years that the farms boys were coming, the farm boys are coming, the farm boys are coming. Casas, KC, RAF Man, Teel, little Anthony, and Mayer should all be here by now, and once again as Bloom said things would be AWESOME. Far from being awesome as Uncle Jed would say about the 2026 Red Sox is pitiful just plain pitiful. As I warned many times that hype, and hope doesn’t guarantee success.

Anthony is hurt. Is he supposed to put up good numbers when he's hurt? 🤔

Don't remember you calling him Little Anthony last season when he was mashing. 😎

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

NO, NO, and HELL NO!

Some people prefer third place ceilings and it shows. 

[mvp 78]

Bloom tried blowing it up in '22 and either he or ownership got cold feet.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Anthony is hurt. Is he supposed to put up good numbers when he's hurt? 🤔

Don't remember you calling him Little Anthony last season when he was mashing. 😎

Yes little Anthony is hurt again swinging a bat, but before he was hurt again he had 1 HR with 4 RBI, so outside of drawing some walks he wasn’t putting up much of anything including his throwing from the outfield. There was no reason to call Anthony little last year as you said he was hitting. This year he was not. I like to keep things current thus little Anthony this year. Michael Holly called him  flop so far this year, and I just heard another fan say they are fed up with Anthony and his injuries already. That’s what’s out there, which is different from on here.what have you done for me lately?

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Some people prefer third place ceilings and it shows. 

Most fans prefer Winning teams that make it into the postseason.

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes little Anthony is hurt again swinging a bat, but before he was hurt again he had 1 HR with 4 RBI, so outside of drawing some walks he wasn’t putting up much of anything including his throwing from the outfield. There was no reason to call Anthony little last year as you said he was hitting. This year he was not. I like to keep things current thus little Anthony this year. Michael Holly called him  flop so far this year, and I just heard another fan say they are fed up with Anthony and his injuries already. That’s what’s out there, which is different from on here.what have you done for me lately?

I guess we can throw out the 71 games last year because of 30 games from this year. Makes sense!!! So smart!

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Most fans prefer Winning teams that make it into the postseason.

I prefer a team that wins the AL East and has a real shot at the WS. If it's not that, what's even the point? Scraping and fighting to get to 86 wins and the third playoff spot? Pass. Not good enough.

[Old Red]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

I guess we can throw out the 71 games last year because of 30 games from this year. Makes sense!!! So smart!

What does last year have to do with this year? The comments about little Anthony are what he’s done this year, or what he hasn’t done, which is produce, and stay on the field. Like Michael Holly said last year he thought Anthony was the Red Sox best player, but THIS YEAR he’s been a flop.

[notin]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I guess we can throw out the 71 games last year because of 30 games from this year. Makes sense!!! So smart!

Hey, Michael Holley - yes, THAT Michael Holley called him a flop.  

We’re not talking about some random egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings.  We’re talking about Michael Holley, a very specific egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings…

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I prefer a team that wins the AL East and has a real shot at the WS. If it's not that, what's even the point? Scraping and fighting to get to 86 wins and the third playoff spot? Pass. Not good enough.

I know we heard from you before that if you don’t think the Red Sox are good enough then why bother, and that works for you, but I think most fans will take a postseason appearance no matter what IMO, and that works for them. 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Hey, Michael Holley - yes, THAT Michael Holley called him a flop.  

We’re not talking about some random egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings.  We’re talking about Michael Holley, a very specific egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings…

I will take THAT Michael Holly over TS NNN any day.

[notin]

33 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Bloom tried blowing it up in '22 and either he or ownership got cold feet.

I would have been disappointed if he sold, but at least it’s a direction and I understood why.  I would have preferred buying.

But the whole “how about we do nothing?” thing was just plain wrong, stupid and frustrating…

[notin]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

I will take THAT Michael Holly over TS NNN any day.

And use him as your sole source of information.

Since you clearly don’t know, most of sports media isn’t there to inform you.  They exist solely to create controversy often where none exists so they can bolster ratings.  Anyone calling a player “a flop” after 30 games is clearly not there to provide actual information.  Holley exists to give reasons to complain to folks either unimaginative enough to come up with their own or folks in desperate search for validation through confirmation bias…

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

Hey, Michael Holley - yes, THAT Michael Holley called him a flop.  

We’re not talking about some random egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings.  We’re talking about Michael Holley, a very specific egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings…

Listen, 26 games that were played in March and April can definitively show that this dude FLIPPITY FLOPPED!!! 

[notin]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I prefer a team that wins the AL East and has a real shot at the WS. If it's not that, what's even the point? Scraping and fighting to get to 86 wins and the third playoff spot? Pass. Not good enough.

Sox didn’t win the AL East in 2004 or 2007…