Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[Bellhorn04]

He's back without a doubt.  No regrets on my part, though.  He's still a very expensive DH.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

He's back without a doubt.  No regrets on my part, though.  He's still a very expensive DH.

Not many people raised concerns at the time about the cost when his deal was signed. I guess I'm just not a buyer's remorse kinda guy. We all knew he'd end up a 1B/DH at some point. 

[Bellhorn04]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not many people raised concerns at the time about the cost when his deal was signed. I guess I'm just not a buyer's remorse kinda guy. We all knew he'd end up a 1B/DH at some point. 

And trading him was never on my bingo card until it happened.

I just find it easier to rationalize than trading Betts, I guess.  Anyway good for Raffy for starting to rake again.

 

[oldtimer]

On 7/7/2026 at 2:08 AM, moonslav59 said:

For years Devers looked like a happy guy who loved the game. He often wore a wide smile, but was kinda on the quiet side. I always felt that was more of a language issue than being an introvert, but it was hard to tell.

I never got a hint of selfishness or insubordination, until the talk began about moving him off 3B. Nobody handled it well, including Devers.

Devers demonstrated over time that he would always be deficient defensively at 3rd base. While a power hitter, he sometimes showed inonsistency at the plate. To me it was a bad bet to give him such a lucrative contract. Moving him to first, even if he had been positive about it, was a questionabled bet. I'm happy that Breslow got out of that contract but unhappy that he didn't find a power bat for the team.  

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And trading him was never on my bingo card until it happened.

I just find it easier to rationalize than trading Betts, I guess.  Anyway good for Raffy for starting to rake again.

To me, the biggest two losses since Henry came here were Mookie and Orsillo. I go back and forth on which I would have rather kept. Both seem kind of unforgiveable. I think you can make a case that you needed to move Devers (not that I'd agree), Sox just haven't done well replacing his bat. 

[Old Red]

36 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

To me, the biggest two losses since Henry came here were Mookie and Orsillo. I go back and forth on which I would have rather kept. Both seem kind of unforgiveable. I think you can make a case that you needed to move Devers (not that I'd agree), Sox just haven't done well replacing his bat. 

A shoutout to Orsillo.👍

[drewski6]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

To me, the biggest two losses since Henry came here were Mookie and Orsillo. I go back and forth on which I would have rather kept. Both seem kind of unforgiveable. I think you can make a case that you needed to move Devers (not that I'd agree), Sox just haven't done well replacing his bat. 

derek lowe and jenny dell for me.

[moonslav59]

14 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

OPS 

537 Mar/Apr

949 May

833 June

1150 July

 

738 Home

826 Away

6 game sample size in July.

The H-A splits are weird with the shape of the ball park.

[moonslav59]

13 hours ago, oldtimer said:

Devers demonstrated over time that he would always be deficient defensively at 3rd base. While a power hitter, he sometimes showed inonsistency at the plate. To me it was a bad bet to give him such a lucrative contract. Moving him to first, even if he had been positive about it, was a questionabled bet. I'm happy that Breslow got out of that contract but unhappy that he didn't find a power bat for the team.  

I think he would have been fine at 1B. He has decent reflexes, and his arm was a major issue at 3B.

I'm glad we traded him without paying a big chunk of his deal.

We got Harrison who turned into Durbin. That may not be great, but it's better than Wong for Betts.

[notin]

On 7/9/2026 at 12:45 AM, moonslav59 said:

I think he would have been fine at 1B. He has decent reflexes, and his arm was a major issue at 3B.

I'm glad we traded him without paying a big chunk of his deal.

We got Harrison who turned into Durbin. That may not be great, but it's better than Wong for Betts.

Right now, Harrison for Durbin and Seigler looks pretty useful, especially with Harrison experiencing forearm tightness, which can have ominous implications.

For all the talk of Milwaukee turning our former prospects into success stories, they also seem to burn them out rather quickly…

[notin]

On 7/7/2026 at 5:32 PM, jdc69 said:

Obviously Devers had some say in what position he would play, without too much harm done to his career. He had power enough to not listen to people who, I think, and maybe he did too, are making terrible decisions, and he used it. If his job is to do whatever they say, their job is to be smart and not ruin his career making him play a position he never played. 

Im as big a believer in team as anyone but not so much as to sacrifice your own career. 

A tad melodramatic.

Devers wasn’t sacrificing his career by moving to 1b, as he has clearly shown in SF.  In fact, given his terrible defense at 3b, he was more likely extending it than ending it.  As has been the case with numerous slugging third basemen with bad gloves before him…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

Right now, Harrison for Durbin and Seigler looks pretty useful, especially with Harrison experiencing forearm tightness, which can have ominous implications.

For all the talk of Milwaukee turning our former prospects into success stories, they also seem to burn them out rather quickly…

Don't forget Movininstereo for Hamilton! Andruw has also been a big part of the resurrection, and has a .694 OPS vs. .651 for Hammy...

... though I still wish they traded him instead for Yandy Diaz, who's leading the AL in batting again.

[notin]

15 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Don't forget Movininstereo for Hamilton! Andruw has also been a big part of the resurrection, and has a .694 OPS vs. .651 for Hammy...

... though I still wish they traded him instead for Yandy Diaz, who's leading the AL in batting again.

Traded who for Diaz? Harrison?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Traded who for Diaz? Harrison?

Hamilton! That was your trade offer last winter for Diaz.

Nobody else thought it was enough, but just look at what Hammy got us instead (with Harrison as a throw-in): an entire starting infield minus a suspended All-Star!

[notin]

4 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Hamilton! That was your trade offer last winter for Diaz.

Nobody else thought it was enough, but just look at what Hammy got us instead (with Harrison as a throw-in): an entire starting infield minus a suspended All-Star!

No I said Harrison for Diaz but acknowledged Hamilton had a similar surplus value.  You ignored Harrison and clung to the Hamilton mention…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, notin said:

No I said Harrison for Diaz but acknowledged Hamilton had a similar surplus value.  You ignored Harrison and clung to the Hamilton mention…

Oh no you don't. Last winter, when I said I wanted the Sox trade for Yandy Diaz, you specifically suggested that David Hamilton would be a fair offer. Shirley, you haven't forgotten our mild debate?

[notin]

12 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Hamilton! That was your trade offer last winter for Diaz.

Nobody else thought it was enough, but just look at what Hammy got us instead (with Harrison as a throw-in): an entire starting infield minus a suspended All-Star!

Scroll down a bit.

 

 

 

 

You will see me say:

”

I’m suspicious about any Alonso/Bichette/Schwarber signings.  But I love the idea at a minimum of getting Yandy Diaz, whom I was mentioning all over the place at the deadline.  Historically, Tampa is not a team that begs for top prospects in any trade but rather burns you by taking players often viewed as mediocre and expendable. BTV suggests fair trades might be for Kyle Harrison or David Hamilton.  I’d assume they don’t want Hamilton, but I never thought they’d want Jeffrey Springs.  And he would cheaply fill their upcoming 2b gap.

But Harrison for Diaz? Probabl their preference.  Certainly not the one I prefer, so probably the one they do…”

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, notin said:

Right now, Harrison for Durbin and Seigler looks pretty useful, especially with Harrison experiencing forearm tightness, which can have ominous implications.

For all the talk of Milwaukee turning our former prospects into success stories, they also seem to burn them out rather quickly…

Indeed, and there is even time for that Priester trade to turn around.

He may never come back to "form," and these guys may step it up:

Phillips: ranked 12th & struggling out of the gate

Holobetz: ranked 13th but first in IP on the farm with a .712 OPSA (80K/72 IP)

Y Rod: ranked 43rd but 9th in HRs (12) and only 7 players on the Sox farm have more PAs and a higher OPS (.741.)

 

[moonslav59]

Monasterio has done well vs LHPs, but Cheng has not done that well vs RHPs. His defense is real good.

Seigler has been great, but I'm not sure he can keep this up. He was the 23rd player elected in the 2018 draft, so maybe he's just a late bloomer at age 27.

Durbin has been a main reason for our turn-around. It should also be mentioned he was a main reason for our crappy start, too.

If Durbin, Seigler, Monasterio, Phillips, Holobetz, YRod and Owen Hull

for

Harrison, Drohan, Priester & DHam

If these are two of the worst 3 trades Brez has ever made, I'm not sure that's such a bad thing, especially when you consider he's made about 25-30 trades in less than 3 years.

(I'm assuming Sale is the other of the worst 3.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

Scroll down a bit.

That was actually fun rereading. Still not sure what anyone's one definition of value is: money owed, years signed, WAR, but mine is always if a guy is good right now.

So this week, I'd like to revisit the second page of the argument and suggest a Yandy Diaz trade for Kyson Witherspoon. Why would anyone say no if the AL's top hitter was available for a minor league A ball pitcher, and such a deal would transform a feeble offense into a bonafide contender that could win the playoffs and get into the World Series.

[mvp 78]

Seigler has hit throughout the minors. His 293 BABIP doesn't seem unsustainable. He's only marginally outperforming his expected stats. Probably a similar profile to Brock Holt. He was just given an opportunity late and may be a league average bat for 4-5 years as a UTIL guy. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

That was actually fun rereading. Still not sure what anyone's one definition of value is: money owed, years signed, WAR, but mine is always if a guy is good right now.

So this week, I'd like to revisit the second page of the argument and suggest a Yandy Diaz trade for Kyson Witherspoon. Why would anyone say no if the AL's top hitter was available for a minor league A ball pitcher, and such a deal would transform a feeble offense into a bonafide contender that could win the playoffs and get into the World Series.

Witherspoon for 1.5 years of Yandy Diaz? I don't like that he's terrible against 4 seamers this year. That's not a good sign for an aging player. Maybe lean towards saying yes to the trade if Crochet and Anthony will be healthy next season.

[notin]

13 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

That was actually fun rereading. Still not sure what anyone's one definition of value is: money owed, years signed, WAR, but mine is always if a guy is good right now.

So this week, I'd like to revisit the second page of the argument and suggest a Yandy Diaz trade for Kyson Witherspoon. Why would anyone say no if the AL's top hitter was available for a minor league A ball pitcher, and such a deal would transform a feeble offense into a bonafide contender that could win the playoffs and get into the World Series.

Tampa is in first place with the best record in the AL.  Any reason they should be selling?

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

Tampa is in first place with the best record in the AL.  Any reason they should be selling?

Because we want one of their players. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Tampa is in first place with the best record in the AL.  Any reason they should be selling?

It was a hypothetical, like 99.9% of the suggestions here (although if anyone sells while they're in 1st, it's the Rays).

But that's exactly the kind of deal Breslow needs to make asap -- and yes, giving up a prospect for a good big leaguer on an expiring contract is what teams serious about contending do every. single. summer.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 But I know there are some fans who don't ever want to mortgage the future to actually, ya know, win the present.

So let's keep -- and pay -- all our top prospects and wait for them to instantly mature and erupt into superstardom and someday when we're really counting on their youthful vigor we can hide the faces of the franchise a thousand miles away to rehab another injury instead of hang with underpaid underappreciated teammates and sap the energy off their opportunity.

[notin]

15 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

It was a hypothetical, like 99.9% of the suggestions here (although if anyone sells while they're in 1st, it's the Rays).

But that's exactly the kind of deal Breslow needs to make asap -- and yes, giving up a prospect for a good big leaguer on an expiring contract is what teams serious about contending do every. single. summer.

Sellers might be limited.  Diaz would be amazing, but we might have to settle for the Spencer Steer, Taylor Ward, Jo Adell types…

[mvp 78]

24 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

teams serious about contending do every. single. summer.

Not sure the Sox are at that point this year TBH.

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

 But I know there are some fans who don't ever want to mortgage the future to actually, ya know, win the present.

So let's keep -- and pay -- all our top prospects and wait for them to instantly mature and erupt into superstardom and someday when we're really counting on their youthful vigor we can hide the faces of the franchise a thousand miles away to rehab another injury instead of hang with underpaid underappreciated teammates and sap the energy off their opportunity.

I thought we'd be at that point, but it looks rough this season with Roman and Crochet out, plus bad juju with other pitcher injuries and young guys potentially needing IP limits. Just a weird year.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not sure the Sox are at that point this year TBH.

I'm not either, and that's why I'm still (slightly now) on the sell side of the fence.