Rays (Jax) vs Red Sox (Bennett): 5/7/26, 7:10pm

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

04 had 13 songs on the soundtrack vs only 9 for 05, plus one of the 05 songs was TESSIE! 🤮

No HR derby in 04. 

Like 6 of the 8 were bangers (not tessie)

[drewski6]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Like 6 of the 8 were bangers (not tessie)

maybe 4 of the 8

[drewski6]

19 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Life boats would have helped, but you seem against that idea, too.

Maybe they just shoulda have torpedoed the ship, the second it his the berg.

What the red sox need are new managers, executives, and players.  Not a batting order swap.

[Bellhorn04]

25 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Theres plenty wrong with not looking to swing the bat.  I would argue its one of our biggest problems.

Ted Williams walked in 20.6% of his plate appearances. 🙂

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Ted Williams walked in 20.6% of his plate appearances. 🙂

I prefer Trick Williams

[drewski6]

21 minutes ago, notin said:

Maybe they did.    Hmmmm….

Def would have Torpedo'd it if it were an all girls elementary school

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Ted Williams walked in 20.6% of his plate appearances. 🙂

He led the league in OBP in 12 seasons. He only won the batting title 6 times. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He led the league in OBP in 12 seasons. He only won the batting title 6 times. 

Career BA of .344 - impressive.  Career OBP of .482 - ridiculous.

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Career BA of .344 - impressive.  Career OBP of .482 - ridiculous.

All time career leader in OBP. 

Is that good? 

Bonds leads in total BB's at 2558. Ted was 4th at 2021. Yaz was 6th at 1845. 

[drewski6]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Career BA of .344 - impressive.  Career OBP of .482 - ridiculous.

Think about how much more productive he could have been, if in the at-bats where he walked - he got a hit 34.4% of the time

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Career BA of .344 - impressive.  Career OBP of .482 - ridiculous.

And they counted Sac Flys as an AB back in those days like the 406 season.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Have we even gotten any quotes from him this season? 

 

"In an email shared by the Sports Business Journal, Henry issued a telling response to the situation at the Red Sox.

“Fans get frustrated. The Sox looked terrible for [their] first 25 games,” he wrote.

“I remember a plane flying overhead when we were beating Manchester United 7-0 that read ‘FSG OUT!’.

“It doesn’t mean you ignore them, it means you work harder – you don’t settle for mediocrity. You have to win.”"

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2026/05/fsg-john-henry-red-sox-liverpool-fan-unrest-2026/

Lies.

 

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

What the red sox need are new managers, executives, and players.  Not a batting order swap.

I don’t know what the vibes in the clubhouse, and dugout are since Chad took over, but outside of Masa being odd man out when everyone is healthy i don’t see much difference in how things are done.

[FredLynn]

Henry: 

"WBZ-FM's Mike Felger and Tony Massarotti on yesterday's “Felger and Mazz” reacted to Red Sox principal owner John Henry’s comments in a Financial Times profile on how he does not plan to sell the team. Massarotti said Henry’s comments highlight the frustrations of fans with ownership, as the team is “nothing more than an ‘asset’” and all ownership is doing is “playing math.” Massarotti said Henry’s assessment that MLB is a “one in 30 league” is not accurate. Massarotti: “There aren’t 15 teams in baseball that can win the World Series. The problem now is that you’re not one of the 10 that can.” WBZ's Jim Murray said that fans do not “realistically” expect to win a championship every year, but they “expect them to be competitive though.” Felger said compared to Henry, Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck’s heart “is in the right place.” Felger: “He is genuinely a fan. He is genuinely invested in the product on the floor and he is genuinely willing to spend and cut into his margins when it’s time to do so and you should feel good about Wyc Grousbeck as an owner. I cannot say that about John Henry. I think the comment about we don’t sell assets is just so cold and so illustrates what the Red Sox are to him now, they are truly just an asset in the portfolio.” Massarotti: "If it's just a business holding, if that's all it is, well then, you know, them winning the championship is not going to be a primary focus” ( “Felger & Mazz,” WBZ-FM, 6/11)."

 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/06/12/john-henry-red-sox-comments/

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

 

"In an email shared by the Sports Business Journal, Henry issued a telling response to the situation at the Red Sox.

“Fans get frustrated. The Sox looked terrible for [their] first 25 games,” he wrote.

“I remember a plane flying overhead when we were beating Manchester United 7-0 that read ‘FSG OUT!’.

“It doesn’t mean you ignore them, it means you work harder – you don’t settle for mediocrity. You have to win.”"

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2026/05/fsg-john-henry-red-sox-liverpool-fan-unrest-2026/

 

 

That's not a bad quote. "Sox have to work hard. Don't settle for mediocrity. Need to win." Fine.

[notin]

21 minutes ago, Old Red said:

And they counted Sac Flys as an AB back in those days like the 406 season.

True.  Sac flies were normal at bats from 1930-1938 and then from 1940-1953, with conflicting reports about 1939 (Williams’ first year).

I’ve seen sources say for his number of sac flies in 1941 that range from 8 to 17. That puts his average that year anywhere from .413 to .421 under today’s rules.

But this did not affect his OBP, which always treated the sac fly as a plate appearance without getting on base..

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

What the red sox need are new managers, executives, and players.  Not a batting order swap.

They certainly need more than a few positional and batting order slot, but trying to get the most from what you have is a noble gesture.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Can you guys win a damn game to keep the Rays off of our ass??? Geez.. 

[moonslav59]

Rings by owner since Harry Frazee had 1 in 6 seasons:

Pre-Frazee mix (4 in 16 seasons)

Quinn 0 in 11 seasons

Yawkeys 0 in 46 seasons

Yawkey plus others 0 in 35

Henry-Werner 4 in 24

Again, be careful what you wish for. (Note: this is not an endorsement of JH & Co.)

[notin]

21 minutes ago, bkzwhitestrican said:

Can you guys win a damn game to keep the Rays off of our ass??? Geez.. 

NO!!

[mvp 78]

34 minutes ago, bkzwhitestrican said:

Can you guys win a damn game to keep the Rays off of our ass??? Geez.. 

One? Maybe. 

[Old Red]

22 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Rings by owner since Harry Frazee had 1 in 6 seasons:

Pre-Frazee mix (4 in 16 seasons)

Quinn 0 in 11 seasons

Yawkeys 0 in 46 seasons

Yawkey plus others 0 in 35

Henry-Werner 4 in 24

Again, be careful what you wish for. (Note: this is not an endorsement of JH & Co.)

Is JH the same guy today in all facets of the Red Sox operation as he was when he bought the Red Sox, and the Red Sox won those Championships, or even going back to 2018? You have thrown out the be careful what you wish for comment many times, and I think if a vote went out today in all of RSN it would be overwhelmingly be just like the plane that circled Fenway for an hour to sell IMO. That would be the wish.

[notin]

18 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Is JH the same guy today in all facets of the Red Sox operation as he was when he bought the Red Sox, and the Red Sox won those Championships, or even going back to 2018? You have thrown out the be careful what you wish for comment many times, and I think if a vote went out today in all of RSN it would be overwhelmingly be just like the plane that circled Fenway for an hour to sell IMO. That would be the wish.

Henry does still spend more than most owners.  No one is happy about it, but the reality is it’s easier to get a cheaper one than a more free-spending one.

That doesn’t change no matter how many banners fly over Fenway…

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

Henry does still spend more than most owners.  No one is happy about it, but the reality is it’s easier to get a cheaper one than a more free-spending one.

That doesn’t change no matter how many banners fly over Fenway…

Picking the owner is not a democracy.

JH has upticked the spending recently. Brez has wasted some of it. 6th in AAV budget is still $40M from 5th.

[FredLynn]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

That's not a bad quote. "Sox have to work hard. Don't settle for mediocrity. Need to win." Fine.

But that is not how he is behaving. He is treating the franchise FIRST AND FOREMOST as an addition to his portfolio-a money maker, without a real commitment to winning. Talk is cheap. I look at his actions, and its not pretty.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Picking the owner is not a democracy.

JH has upticked the spending recently. Brez has wasted some of it. 6th in AAV budget is still $40M from 5th.

I think that AAV budget is a less important piece of data than percentage of revenue spent on salaries. The teams that don’t take in as much can’t be expected to spend like the ones that take in a lot of money-like the FLOPS. I haven’t seen an update to the data I posted showing that the FLOPS were 23rd in MLB in percentage of revenue spent on player salaries. I’d welcome an update. With all the $$ being taken in by tightwad Henry this franchise should be in the top five in this category nearly every year-if the cheapskate owner was telling the truth about his commitment to winning, which he isn’t.

[JoeBrady]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Actually things went south when the Sox stopped chasing OBP.

Nothing wrong with not making outs…

Our Golden Age from 2004-2018, our OBP ranking among all 30 teams was 1st 7x, and 2nd 3x.In our worst two seasons out of that period, 2012 and 2014, we were 21st and 14th in OBP. 

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Old Red said:

I think if a vote went out today in all of RSN it would be overwhelmingly be just like the plane that circled Fenway for an hour to sell IMO.

I've seen 10s of thousands of posts from Red Sox fans.  Most were only semi-lucid from a BB perspective.