Red Sox Ace Garrett Crochet Heads To Injured List With Shoulder Inflammation

[vegasbob]

On 5/21/2026 at 5:08 PM, JoeBrady said:

I'd prefer two, but if we replaced Durbin with Paredes, and Paredes delivered his career-average OPS, that would then generate 86.2 wins.  That would make us the #2 WC.

And if the overall lineup were hitting to their career OPS numbers the team would have many more wins

[UtahSox]

On 5/21/2026 at 6:43 PM, moonslav59 said:

I think Paredes, without giving up any useful MLB talent would be enough to get us to the dance, but not as a top favorite.

This could be the year, anything goes once the dance begins.

Especially if you have to beat Suarez and Crochet in postseason. You never know what could happen if RS got hot….. To me we did the rebuild… I don’t think young guys guarantee anything. ..no fun to put chips in young pieces only to realize they suck……

Conversely the pitching has been pretty good, but the bats have been a$$. And we are still only 3 1/2 games out of WC. I think punting our good pieces to get young guys is too big of risk. I’d rather RS take on a contract a little longer or bigger than they are comfortable with and go for it. We have a great rotation, Willson is having record year, Abreu and Rafaela are playing good. Make a couple moves and go for it. “We are the Boston Red Sox we don’t have resource problems” - Kennedy

Well Sambo put your money where your mouth is and prove it. Because this current lineup is definition of insanity. Getting 400-500 Ops out of 3b, LF, DH,SS, 2b isn’t going to fix itself.

[mvp 78]

7 hours ago, UtahSox said:

Especially if you have to beat Suarez and Crochet in postseason. You never know what could happen if RS got hot….. To me we did the rebuild… I don’t think young guys guarantee anything. ..no fun to put chips in young pieces only to realize they suck……

Conversely the pitching has been pretty good, but the bats have been a$$. And we are still only 3 1/2 games out of WC. I think punting our good pieces to get young guys is too big of risk. I’d rather RS take on a contract a little longer or bigger than they are comfortable with and go for it. We have a great rotation, Willson is having record year, Abreu and Rafaela are playing good. Make a couple moves and go for it. “We are the Boston Red Sox we don’t have resource problems” - Kennedy

Well Sambo put your money where your mouth is and prove it. Because this current lineup is definition of insanity. Getting 400-500 Ops out of 3b, LF, DH,SS, 2b isn’t going to fix itself.

It's fine to put chips in young pieces, but don't then have Roman bat leadoff and expect him to put up MVP numbers. He still needs a little protection. Let him mature before you put the entire org on his back. Marcelo was rushed up last season. He never really knocked the door down in AAA. KC was rushed last year and it didn't work out either. 

[Old Red]

24 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's fine to put chips in young pieces, but don't then have Roman bat leadoff and expect him to put up MVP numbers. He still needs a little protection. Let him mature before you put the entire org on his back. Marcelo was rushed up last season. He never really knocked the door down in AAA. KC was rushed last year and it didn't work out either. 

The plan was for Casas, Mayer, Anthony, Teel, and KC, and RAF Man to all be in a Red Sox uniform leading the charge right now. Oops.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It's fine to put chips in young pieces, but don't then have Roman bat leadoff and expect him to put up MVP numbers. He still needs a little protection. Let him mature before you put the entire org on his back. Marcelo was rushed up last season. He never really knocked the door down in AAA. KC was rushed last year and it didn't work out either. 

KC was rushed, but Mayer was pressed into duty due to Bregman’s injury.  If Bregman stayed off the IL, we probably don’t see Mayer last year.  And if the options were Mayer, Sogard, or some other Abraham Toro clone, I get why they opted for Mayer…

[notin]

50 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The plan was for Casas, Mayer, Anthony, Teel, and KC, and RAF Man to all be in a Red Sox uniform leading the charge right now. Oops.

It clearly wasn’t…

[mvp 78]

59 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The plan was for Casas, Mayer, Anthony, Teel, and KC, and RAF Man to all be in a Red Sox uniform leading the charge right now. Oops.

Not a playoff team if that's the case. That's the 2015 Sox. 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

KC was rushed, but Mayer was pressed into duty due to Bregman’s injury.  If Bregman stayed off the IL, we probably don’t see Mayer last year.  And if the options were Mayer, Sogard, or some other Abraham Toro clone, I get why they opted for Mayer…

Sogard has a higher wRC+. You can option him whenever you feel like it and it doesn't matter. He was one of the few guys to play well in the playoffs from what I remember. They should have just gone with Sogard. When you have a high ceiling guy like Mayer, you take your time and wait for them to bust through the door. He just didn't earn his promotion. 

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sogard has a higher wRC+. You can option him whenever you feel like it and it doesn't matter. He was one of the few guys to play well in the playoffs from what I remember. They should have just gone with Sogard. When you have a high ceiling guy like Mayer, you take your time and wait for them to bust through the door. He just didn't earn his promotion. 

Several posters recommended calling up Gasper and Sogard earlier. True, some also called for Cheng and Capra, at times, beforehand.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Several posters recommended calling up Gasper and Sogard earlier. True, some also called for Cheng and Capra, at times, beforehand.

Cheng has not really hit at AAA. Since hitting for the cycle, his OPS has tanked. Calling him up wouldn't have worked. 

Capra is 29 and basically the same as Sogard, but not on the 40 man. 

We were talking about last season though. Sogard should have been the call last year while Marcelo was still maturing as a hitter and Bregman was injured. 

This year, none of these guys have the ceiling to really make a difference. They have a limited offensive output and a limited defensive output. You can put them out there more, but the team will still have a .500 ceiling.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Cheng has not really hit at AAA. Since hitting for the cycle, his OPS has tanked. Calling him up wouldn't have worked. 

Capra is 29 and basically the same as Sogard, but not on the 40 man. 

We were talking about last season though. Sogard should have been the call last year while Marcelo was still maturing as a hitter and Bregman was injured. 

This year, none of these guys have the ceiling to really make a difference. They have a limited offensive output and a limited defensive output. You can put them out there more, but the team will still have a .500 ceiling.

Agreed. I brought up Cheng to highlight how hot hands don't always stay hot, especially after a promotion.

Maybe Capra gets a shot at some point, but he has to keep hitting well, and someone needs to slump or get hurt.

 

[JoeBrady]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Marcelo was rushed up last season.

I see nothing atypical about Mayer.  1,411 PAs in the minors, with an .818 in AAA.  I see nothing in his background that suggests a development that is different than other top prospects.

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I see nothing atypical about Mayer.  1,411 PAs in the minors, with an .818 in AAA.  I see nothing in his background that suggests a development that is different than other top prospects.

All the IL stints were typical?

He only had 43 G at AAA. For a guy only OPSing 818, I would have liked to see him go a bit longer. 

[Old Red]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Not a playoff team if that's the case. That's the 2015 Sox. 

If that wasn’t the plan, because all I heard the last three years is wait till that bumper crop from the farm gets up here. They’ve all come at one time, or another some have been injured like Casas some have flamed out real quick like KC, and NOman, and Mayer haven’t lived up to expectations around some injuries the last two years. What’s next?

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

If that wasn’t the plan, because all I heard the last three years is wait till that bumper crop from the farm gets up here. They’ve all come at one time, or another some have been injured like Casas some have flamed out real quick like KC, and NOman, and Mayer haven’t lived up to expectations around some injuries the last two years. What’s next?

Time to remind the world “we are the Boston Red Sox, we don’t have resource problems “and go get a quality 2b,SS, or 3b. Maybe 2

Maikel Garcia, Matt Chapman, Isaac Paredes, ketel Marte, Bryce Turang, Xavier Edwards, Zach Neto, Bobby Witt, Willy Adames types. 

 

[mvp 78]

31 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Time to remind the world “we are the Boston Red Sox, we don’t have resource problems “and go get a quality 2b,SS, or 3b. Maybe 2

Maikel Garcia, Matt Chapman, Isaac Paredes, ketel Marte, Bryce Turang, Xavier Edwards, Zach Neto, Bobby Witt, Willy Adames types. 

We already hate Trevor Story. Why add Adames and Chapman? 

Bobby Witt Sr? I think he retired some time ago. You can't be thinking the Sox would actually get Jr.

Turang plays for the Brewers, a team that is constantly in playoff contention. He's going nowhere.

Edwards doesn't hit the ball hard and is a switch hitter. Brez would have no interest in him.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

We already hate Trevor Story. Why add Adames and Chapman? 

Bobby Witt Sr? I think he retired some time ago. You can't be thinking the Sox would actually get Jr.

Turang plays for the Brewers, a team that is constantly in playoff contention. He's going nowhere.

Edwards doesn't hit the ball hard and is a switch hitter. Brez would have no interest in him.

Bobby Witt III?

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Bobby Witt III?

Bobby Witt Jr does not have children, so Bobby Witt III does not exist.  They do have a Bernadoodle named Barry Witt Jr.  Id trade for him.  Hes probably cute.

[drewski6]

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I see nothing atypical about Mayer.  1,411 PAs in the minors, with an .818 in AAA.  I see nothing in his background that suggests a development that is different than other top prospects.

Anybody who struggles out of the gate is now said to be "rushed."

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

We already hate Trevor Story. Why add Adames and Chapman? 

AFV for Willy Adames is 111.7 and Chapman is 71.7

AFV for Story is 6…….. that’s a Sh** ton more Field value.
 

Which is my entire argument, I don’t give a crap about the contract. I just want guys that can actually play baseball, on the fricking field. I’m not looking for a deal that will age well in four years. Because nobody knows what the future looks like…..

I’m saying if you have an ownership that says “we are the Boston Red Sox we do not have a resource problem”

then put your money where your mouth is, and get some better baseball players on the damn field that’s it. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, UtahSox said:

AFV for Willy Adames is 111.7 and Chapman is 71.7

AFV for Story is 6…….. that’s a Sh** ton more Field value.
 

Which is my entire argument, I don’t give a crap about the contract. I just want guys that can actually play baseball, on the fricking field. I’m not looking for a deal that will age well in four years. Because nobody knows what the future looks like…..

I’m saying if you have an ownership that says “we are the Boston Red Sox we do not have a resource problem”

then put your money where your mouth is, and get some better baseball players on the damn field that’s it. 

Realistically, how many major or significant players do we need, right now, to get us near top contention. If it's more than 2, is it really worth going for broke in 2026?

[vegasbob]

10 hours ago, Old Red said:

The plan was for Casas, Mayer, Anthony, Teel, and KC, and RAF Man to all be in a Red Sox uniform leading the charge right now. Oops.

3 of those are long gone. 1 admits he struggles at bat with every move up in class. 1 is fragile,  and 1 is maturing into a good player

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

3 of those are long gone. 1 admits he struggles at bat with every move up in class. 1 is fragile,  1 is maturing into a good player and one was converted to Crochet.

I fixed it for you.

Note" not a single person in the organization of fan on this site had all those guys penciled into any "plan."

Of course teams plan on a certain percent of top prospects to help out. Good team provide veteran depth, in case they struggle. One of the biggest arguments this winter and even last winter was why we failed to trade from our OF depth. Not trading Duran or Abreu sort of proves "the plan" was not for KC, Rafaela and Anthony to be the FT OF for 2026.

We traded Teel & Montgomery for Crochet and though Narvaez would be "good enough." That's more evidence he was not in the so-called plan.

We traded one infielder (DHam) for 3 (Durbin, Monasterio and Seigler) and then signed IKF to $6M. That sounds like they had doubts about Mayer (and Story/Durbin, too.)

Sure, fans and the organization had high expectations for a farm ranked #1-3 by almost everybody, but nobody expected all of them to be playing like studs, let alone all in year 1 or 2.

[JoeBrady]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

We already hate Trevor Story. Why add Adames and Chapman? 

Bobby Witt Sr? I think he retired some time ago. You can't be thinking the Sox would actually get Jr.

Turang plays for the Brewers, a team that is constantly in playoff contention. He's going nowhere.

Edwards doesn't hit the ball hard and is a switch hitter. Brez would have no interest in him.

They are all mirages.  There are generally only two types of players.  Good affordable players that teams want to keep.  And overpaid, underperforming players that teams want to get rid of.

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I fixed it for you.

Note" not a single person in the organization of fan on this site had all those guys penciled into any "plan."

Of course teams plan on a certain percent of top prospects to help out. Good team provide veteran depth, in case they struggle. One of the biggest arguments this winter and even last winter was why we failed to trade from our OF depth. Not trading Duran or Abreu sort of proves "the plan" was not for KC, Rafaela and Anthony to be the FT OF for 2026.

We traded Teel & Montgomery for Crochet and though Narvaez would be "good enough." That's more evidence he was not in the so-called plan.

We traded one infielder (DHam) for 3 (Durbin, Monasterio and Seigler) and then signed IKF to $6M. That sounds like they had doubts about Mayer (and Story/Durbin, too.)

Sure, fans and the organization had high expectations for a farm ranked #1-3 by almost everybody, but nobody expected all of them to be playing like studs, let alone all in year 1 or 2.

Not a single person in the organization had all the suspects penciled into any plan? What’s your sources to make that comment? I bet you don’t have any. Changes obviously had to be made.  Casas has been hurt multiple times. Teel got traded, and KC, because of his lackluster play is still stuck in limbo down in Woo after starting last season in Boston, but can’t make it back. NOman Anthony hasn’t hit much of anything, and did not live up to all his hype, and expectations so far, and now he’s hurt again. Mayer still seems to be all glove, and no bat so far, so I would say things have not gone, or worked out as the big master plan called for.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

NOman Anthony hasn’t hit much of anything, and did not live up to all his hype, and expectations so far

Anthony's career bWAR per 162 games is 6.5.

[notin]

On 5/25/2026 at 10:04 PM, vegasbob said:

And if the overall lineup were hitting to their career OPS numbers the team would have many more wins

Thats been the problem all year…

[notin]

7 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

We already hate Trevor Story. Why add Adames and Chapman? 

Bobby Witt Sr? I think he retired some time ago. You can't be thinking the Sox would actually get Jr.

Turang plays for the Brewers, a team that is constantly in playoff contention. He's going nowhere.

Edwards doesn't hit the ball hard and is a switch hitter. Brez would have no interest in him.

On that list, I’m surprised Marte and Paredes stayed put m.  The rest were a bunch of players either their teams didn’t want to move or no one wanted to acquire…

[vegasbob]

33 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Anthony's career bWAR per 162 games is 6.5.

About as useless a stat as there is as long as he cannot play