Red Sox Ace Garrett Crochet Heads To Injured List With Shoulder Inflammation

[mvp 78]

32 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Moon and the rest of you Savants…. Record aside the BoSox are showing some life 2 games out of WC…. Rotation looks good, the thought of going into WC round with Crochet, Suarez and Gray their playoff experience etc.  all the young explosive arms+ looks like Eyanson might be this years version of Tolle available down the stretch….. 

If you were Breslow. Do you look to add a bat now? Still wait and see? Who would inquire about? And what would you give up to get them?

I've heard the "2 games out of WC" argument for several years ever since the playoffs expanded. This year, the Sox are 5 games under .500 and are the 10th best AL team. This isn't a team you are adding to. It should be EMBARRASSING that they are behind the Twins and the ChiSox considering where those two franchises are at. One bat isn't going to fix this team. They need several bats to turn their season around.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If the deadline was today, I'd sell.

This does not look like a ring team, even if we somehow squeak into the playoffs.

Things can change, especially if Crochet and Anthony return and help.

If things change, yes, a bat is the top target.

I would not trade Arias or Eyanson to get one, though.

I'd avoid moving Gonzales and Godbout as well.

If I'm buying, I'm buying for the future, not a guy with a one or two year contract.

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I've heard the "2 games out of WC" argument for several years ever since the playoffs expanded. This year, the Sox are 5 games under .500 and are the 10th best AL team. This isn't a team you are adding to. It should be EMBARRASSING that they are behind the Twins and the ChiSox considering where those two franchises are at. One bat isn't going to fix this team. They need several bats to turn their season around.

The thing is, one big bat likely jumps us over CWS, MIN and a couple other teams.

It's still not worth it, to me. We aren't winning a ring.

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I've heard the "2 games out of WC" argument for several years ever since the playoffs expanded. This year, the Sox are 5 games under .500 and are the 10th best AL team. This isn't a team you are adding to. It should be EMBARRASSING that they are behind the Twins and the ChiSox considering where those two franchises are at. One bat isn't going to fix this team. They need several bats to turn their season around.

Well said. I’ve been posting for some time now how many games the Red Sox are under 500, and today being 5 games under is the closest they have been recently, but they are still an under 500 team in a year where the league is weaker than weak, which makes living under the 500 mark as long as they have even worse. I guess it makes some feel better to say the Red Sox are close to a wildcard spot, but let’s get to 500 first, and if they can’t probably nothing else matters.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The thing is, one big bat likely jumps us over CWS, MIN and a couple other teams.

It's still not worth it, to me. We aren't winning a ring.

It’s not worth it to you? What a loser attitude. LOSER, LOSER, LOSER. I wonder if the Red Sox players have the same attitude? I doubt it very much. Get in the postseason, and good pitching can take you a long way. Glad to know the Red Sox aren’t winning a ring, so might as well forfeit the rest on the season now, and go home.🤭🙈🤮

[mvp 78]

The 2022 Red Sox were 4 games under .500 at the end of May and held a WC spot in the middle of July, but spiraled over the next two weeks. I wanted a complete fire sale at the start of the season. The team kinda sold, but not really and ultimately ended up 78-84. 

The 2023 Red Sox were 1 game above .500 at the end of May and had the final WC spot at the end of July. The team bought crap and ended up 78-84 because they ended their season going 9-23.

Neither team felt worthy of adding to. This team has some fun moments, but really feels more aligned with those teams TBH.

[Old Red]

29 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If I'm buying, I'm buying for the future, not a guy with a one or two year contract.

If I’m buying I’m buying for now, and if it carries into the future fine, but now would be my primary concern, and focus. How many more years do you want to kick the can down the road?

[JoeBrady]

33 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If the deadline was today, I'd sell.

This does not look like a ring team, even if we somehow squeak into the playoffs.

With this rotation, and our top-3 in the BP, there is no chance I'd sell.  We only need 1-2 thumpers.  Not even great ones.  Paredes plus one more 2B/3B type, with a 2B being more likely.  And waiting until the TDL would be malpractice.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The 2022 Red Sox were 4 games under .500 at the end of May and held a WC spot in the middle of July, but spiraled over the next two weeks. I wanted a complete fire sale at the start of the season. The team kinda sold, but not really and ultimately ended up 78-84. 

The 2023 Red Sox were 1 game above .500 at the end of May and had the final WC spot at the end of July. The team bought crap and ended up 78-84 because they ended their season going 9-23.

Neither team felt worthy of adding to. This team has some fun moments, but really feels more aligned with those teams TBH.

I get all that, but a postseason berth last year, and what would have helped beat the Yankees? How about a bat you know someone like Raffy.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

If I’m buying I’m buying for now, and if it carries into the future fine, but now would be my primary concern, and focus. How many more years do you want to kick the can down the road?

Being a buyer every season leads you to another 2020 where you have no depth and aging players on long term contracts. Not sure Henry has the appetite for it anyway. Constantly sending off prospects for bullpen pieces in July is a terrible way to run a franchise.

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

With this rotation, and our top-3 in the BP, there is no chance I'd sell.  We only need 1-2 thumpers.  Not even great ones.  Paredes plus one more 2B/3B type, with a 2B being more likely.  And waiting until the TDL would be malpractice.

We won't sell, IMO.

I would if the deadline was today. That can change.

[JoeBrady]

22 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Get in the postseason, and good pitching can take you a long way.

I couldn't agree more.  Having a playoff series where all 3 are on the road is a problem.  But in a 5- or 7-game series, with Crochet, Suarez, Gray and Tolle, we have a good shot against anyone (assuming we land at least one big bat, or two decent bats).

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Being a buyer every season leads you to another 2020 where you have no depth and aging players on long term contracts. Not sure Henry has the appetite for it anyway. Constantly sending off prospects for bullpen pieces in July is a terrible way to run a franchise.

Right now I’m only concerned about this season 2026. Who said anything about trading suspects for a BP piece? Who? Once again analyzing like someone else on here. If you are not going to play to win then why play at all?  Would another bat have most likely have made a difference against the Yankees last year? 1 HR, or maybe just a single. Nobody is even suggesting constantly selling off suspects for BP pieces, but depending on who the bat was yes. This isn’t the 67, or 75 Red Sox where all the young homegrown talent is going to get you into the WS despite how much hype some of these suspects have.

[Old Red]

8 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I couldn't agree more.  Having a playoff series where all 3 are on the road is a problem.  But in a 5- or 7-game series, with Crochet, Suarez, Gray and Tolle, we have a good shot against anyone (assuming we land at least one big bat, or two decent bats).

Agree 100%.

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We won't sell, IMO.

I would if the deadline was today. That can change.

Well the deadline isn’t today.

[notin]

32 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I get all that, but a postseason berth last year, and what would have helped beat the Yankees? How about a bat you know someone like Raffy.

Why not a pitcher that gave a better start than Bello?  Someone like Suarez…

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Right now I’m only concerned about this season 2026. Who said anything about trading suspects for a BP piece? Who? Once again analyzing like someone else on here. If you are not going to play to win then why play at all?  Would another bat have most likely have made a difference against the Yankees last year? 1 HR, or maybe just a single. Nobody is even suggesting constantly selling off suspects for BP pieces, but depending on who the bat was yes. This isn’t the 67, or 75 Red Sox where all the young homegrown talent is going to get you into the WS despite how much hype some of these suspects have.

Have the Sox done anything more than add bullpen pieces at the deadline the past 4 deadlines? I don't remember.

If you're ONLY concerned with this year, you're not going to be running the organization in the best way possible. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Red Sox may not make the postseason this year even if they trade for legit bats, but here's the thing:

There are none in the pipeline that are going to balance the lineup and make them contenders next year or maybe not even the year after. 

Boston needs star power now and for next year and the next season of actual ring contention. 

Someone posted a list of next winter's free agents -- it's not good, with not much help for the batting order there.

So if a legit bopper in his prime is available now, why wouldn't anyone trade from the system's number one depth -- minor league pitching? Is it because we're all looking forward to more years of pitcher's duels trying to scratch out meager runs or praying for an average stick to reach the seats once a game with someone on base?

 

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Have the Sox done anything more than add bullpen pieces at the deadline the past 4 deadlines? I don't remember.

 

Tommy  Pham, Luis Urias, ERIC HOSMER.

While bats do get moved at the deadline, pitching is always the bulk of the trades around the league…

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Have the Sox done anything more than add bullpen pieces at the deadline the past 4 deadlines? I don't remember.

If you're ONLY concerned with this year, you're not going to be running the organization in the best way possible. 

And we all know the Red Sox are still looking for that 3rd option in the fork in the road. You guys are so consumed with suspects you think the more the better. Like I asked how many years do you want to kick the can down the road. Hype, and hope on all these suspects may never lead to the success you’re hoping for.

[notin]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

If you're ONLY concerned with this year, you're not going to be running the organization in the best way possible. 

Thats the thing.  Fans often have the “we need it NOW” attitude, like Veruca Salt.  Breslow has to consider the impact on 2027, 2028, etc. 

That was one rumor on the Sox tepid interest in Alonso - no faith in his play as he ages…

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Tommy  Pham, Luis Urias, ERIC HOSMER.

While Nats do get moved at the deadline, pitching is always the bulk of the trades around the league…

Touché

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Being a buyer every season leads you to another 2020 where you have no depth and aging players on long term contracts. Not sure Henry has the appetite for it anyway. Constantly sending off prospects for bullpen pieces in July is a terrible way to run a franchise.

Being a buyer also produced 2018. I’ll take 3 2020’s for 1 2018 every 4 years. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

And we all know the Red Sox are still looking for that 3rd option in the fork in the road. You guys are so consumed with suspects you think the more the better. Like I asked how many years do you want to kick the can down the road. Hype, and hope on all these suspects may never lead to the success you’re hoping for.

This team is very flawed AND 5 games below .500. Why go all in on this year? 

You ask for them to be buyers every season. They just can't be. 

It makes no damn sense. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, UtahSox said:

Being a buyer also produced 2018. I’ll take 3 2020’s for 1 2018 every 4 years. 

That was coming off back to back AL East titles. This team isn't there yet. We're still stuck at 2014/15 it seems. 

The 2018 Sox were:

21-7 at the end of April

39-18 at the end of May

56-28 at the end of June

75-34 at the end of July

You can't compare this year to 2018. This is a AAA team compared to 2018.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

This team is very flawed AND 5 games below .500. Why go all in on this year? 

You ask for them to be buyers every season. They just can't be. 

It makes no damn sense. 

I fully understand this team is 5 games under 500, and if they can’t get above 500 no matter how close they are to a wildcard spot come trade deadline i wouldn’t do any buying, but if they are above 500, and in contention then I’m in on buying. What makes no sense is keep kicking the can down the road, and keep waiting for the hype of the suspects to actually lead to success on the field. I’ll say it again if you aren’t going to play to win then don’t play, and I think that’s where the players are most of the time. I also fully understand that up to now the Red Sox have pretty much been offensively challenged, and that’s why a bat, or two to go with the pitching could make a difference just like last year’s postseason where another bat was needed, and could have made a difference.

[Old Red]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That was coming off back to back AL East titles. This team isn't there yet. We're still stuck at 2014/15 it seems. 

The 2018 Sox were:

21-7 at the end of April

39-18 at the end of May

56-28 at the end of June

75-34 at the end of July

You can't compare this year to 2018. This is a AAA team compared to 2018.

Yes, and so far the two most prized suspects have been pretty much flops with the bats, and everyone including Brez knew they needed at least 1 more big production bat like JD who was added to the 2018 team.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I fully understand this team is 5 games under 500, and if they can’t get above 500 no matter how close they are to a wildcard spot come trade deadline i wouldn’t do any buying, but if they are above 500, and in contention then I’m in on buying. What makes no sense is keep kicking the can down the road, and keep waiting for the hype of the suspects to actually lead to success on the field. I’ll say it again if you aren’t going to play to win then don’t play, and I think that’s where the players are most of the time. I also fully understand that up to now the Red Sox have pretty much been offensively challenged, and that’s why a bat, or two to go with the pitching could make a difference just like last year’s postseason where another bat was needed, and could have made a difference.

The only way they are going to win a WS is through the prospects turning into legit players. That's how they won in 07, 13 and 18. 

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes, and so far the two most prized suspects have been pretty much flops with the bats, and everyone including Brez knew they needed at least 1 more big production bat like JD who was added to the 2018 team.

One bat isn't winning them a WS. One bat isn't winning them the division. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

The only way they are going to win a WS is through the prospects turning into legit players. That's how they won in 07, 13 and 18. 

That is true, but you also have to go outside most likely like David, and Manny on the 2007 team, David still on the 2013 team, and JD on the 2018 team. What’s plan B if most of these long awaited suspects don’t live up to the hype?