Red Sox all alone with worst record again

[Deja Doh]

Original tread title:  What do the A's, White Sox and Red Sox have in common?

We are all in last place,.tied for worst record, 1-5.  I can't see it getting any better.  Our pitching is like the Titanic when the iceberg hit it.  Now 2-8.  We have no power.  Our starting pitcher ERA is 5.4.

[Duran Is The Man]

29 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

We are all in last place,.tied for worst record, 1-5.  I can't see it getting any better.  Our pitching is like the Titanic when the iceberg hit it.  

hitting and coaching are just as bad.

[mvp 78]

I think the hitting will turn it around. I think the pitching is better than this. I think it has been the same coaching since 2019 (aside from pitching). It's time to move on from the whole group. 

[moonslav59]

11 hours ago, Deja Doh said:

 I can't see it getting any better.  

So, 27-135 is your projection, now?

[harmony]

The Red Sox should be in contention come September.

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, harmony said:

The Red Sox should be in contention come September.

What year? 2028? 

[ocaladick]

It seems that the opposing teams know what pitch is coming. They are hitting the ball squarely with the barrel of the bat. Our "hitters" tend to just wave at pitches outside the strike zone. WTF? Are they intercepting our pitch signals (ala Houston a few years back)? We spent a lot of capital on players like Durbin who could easily be replaced by a player on our farm team. Forget the trades - use our farm system. That is where the future is. These traded-for guys suck.

[mvp 78]

24 minutes ago, ocaladick said:

Forget the trades - use our farm system. That is where the future is. These traded-for guys suck.

There's nobody coming that is remotely ready to play IF/OF/C. 

[Duran Is The Man]

40 minutes ago, ocaladick said:

It seems that the opposing teams know what pitch is coming. They are hitting the ball squarely with the barrel of the bat. Our "hitters" tend to just wave at pitches outside the strike zone. WTF? Are they intercepting our pitch signals (ala Houston a few years back)? We spent a lot of capital on players like Durbin who could easily be replaced by a player on our farm team. Forget the trades - use our farm system. That is where the future is. These traded-for guys suck.

the farm system is toast. 

[mvp 78]

The offensive top 20 prospects (per SoxProspects):

#2 Franklin Arias - SS - AA (709 OPS in High A last year)

#8 Justin Gonzales - OF - A+ (804 OPS in A last year)

#9 Dorian Soto - SS - FCL

#11 Henry Godbout - 2B/SS - A+ (1st pro season)

#12 Mikey Romero - 2B/3B - AAA (745 OPS in AAA last year)

#15 Enddy Azocar - OF - A

#16 Allan Castro - OF - AAA (753 OPS in AA last year)

#17 Hector Ramos - SS - FCL

#18 Harold Rivas - OF - FCL

Of these guys, only Romero and Castro have a reasonable chance of playing in BOS this year. Castro has gotten off to an ice cold start. Romero had a 30% k rate at AAA last season. He needs to show that can come down considerably before he's ever called up. His power is legit if he can cut down the whiff rate. Much easier said than done and would get eaten alive if called up.

 

 

[Behindenemylines]

Other than Abreu the rest of the Sox have been terrible. It has been magnified because it's the opening week of the season, but the pitching (both starting and bullpen), hitting (what is with all the strikeouts), and defense have not been where it needs to be. After Game 1 it has become worse. Game 2 the Sox couldn't score in either the 10th or 11th. Really! Game 3 the bullpen blew.  Weissert in high leverage. Really! Don't trust him at all. The Astro series was a nightmare! Talk about not showing up! On the positive, there are 156 games left in the season. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Other than Abreu the rest of the Sox have been terrible. It has been magnified because it's the opening week of the season, but the pitching (both starting and bullpen), hitting (what is with all the strikeouts), and defense have not been where it needs to be. After Game 1 it has become worse. Game 2 the Sox couldn't score in either the 10th or 11th. Really! Game 3 the bullpen blew.  Weissert in high leverage. Really! Don't trust him at all. The Astro series was a nightmare! Talk about not showing up! On the positive, there are 156 games left in the season. 

This is Connor Wong erasure. 

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

The offensive top 20 prospects (per SoxProspects):

#2 Franklin Arias - SS - AA (709 OPS in High A last year)

#8 Justin Gonzales - OF - A+ (804 OPS in A last year)

#9 Dorian Soto - SS - FCL

#11 Henry Godbout - 2B/SS - A+ (1st pro season)

#12 Mikey Romero - 2B/3B - AAA (745 OPS in AAA last year)

#15 Enddy Azocar - OF - A

#16 Allan Castro - OF - AAA (753 OPS in AA last year)

#17 Hector Ramos - SS - FCL

#18 Harold Rivas - OF - FCL

Of these guys, only Romero and Castro have a reasonable chance of playing in BOS this year. Castro has gotten off to an ice cold start. Romero had a 30% k rate at AAA last season. He needs to show that can come down considerably before he's ever called up. His power is legit if he can cut down the whiff rate. Much easier said than done and would get eaten alive if called up.

 

 

how many in the MLB Top 100?

[mvp 78]

32 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

how many in the MLB Top 100?

Arias

[mvp 78]

Top 100 Pitchers: Tolle, Early, Witherspoon

[notin]

3 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

the farm system is toast. 

Actually the pitching looks promising.  No position players left except Arias and Campbell…

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Top 100 Pitchers: Tolle, Early, Witherspoon

Valera wouldn’t be a big surprise if he made it by 2027…

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, harmony said:

The Red Sox should be in contention come September.

Just before dropping back out.

[FredLynn]

8 hours ago, harmony said:

The Red Sox should be in contention come September.

They'll be in contention-for fourth place. 

[FredLynn]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Actually the pitching looks promising.  No position players left except Arias and Campbell…

Position players were available on the FA market this winter. We all know why we didn't sign any of them and got bums like IKF and Durbin.

[mvp 78]

4 hours ago, notin said:

Actually the pitching looks promising.  No position players left except Arias and Campbell…

Justin Gonzalez could be a good prospext but is years away and needs to break out this year.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Position players were available on the FA market this winter. We all know why we didn't sign any of them and got bums like IKF and Durbin.

The FA players were overrated and old.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

16 hours ago, notin said:

Actually the pitching looks promising.  No position players left except Arias and Campbell…

The words "position" and "Campbell" are Polar Park opposites right now.

Arias already has MLB defense. He's similar to Rafaela, when Ceddanne was still in the minors -- Gold Glove hands, but needs to use them to hack less at pitches outside the zone...

... which brings me back to my low point of the season so far: how in the world was a guy who has never shown any knowledge of the strike zone whatsoever allowed to challenge a call on an 0-0 pitch in the 2nd inning?

How many Ivy League degrees in Breslow and Bailey's Circus does it take to set some team policies on WHEN to use challenges and WHO is even permitted to contemplate them? 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The words "position" and "Campbell" are Polar Park opposites right now.

Arias already has MLB defense. He's similar to Rafaela, when Ceddanne was still in the minors -- Gold Glove hands, but needs to use them to hack less at pitches outside the zone...

... which brings me back to my low point of the season so far: how in the world was a guy who has never shown any knowledge of the strike zone whatsoever allowed to challenge a call on an 0-0 pitch in the 2nd inning?

How many Ivy League degrees in Breslow and Bailey's Circus does it take to set some team policies on WHEN to use challenges and WHO is even permitted to contemplate them? 

Rafaela raked in MiLB. Arias does not.

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

 

... which brings me back to my low point of the season so far: how in the world was a guy who has never shown any knowledge of the strike zone whatsoever allowed to challenge a call on an 0-0 pitch in the 2nd inning?

How many Ivy League degrees in Breslow and Bailey's Circus does it take to set some team policies on WHEN to use challenges and WHO is even permitted to contemplate them? 

Agree 100% on Rafaela and challenges.  If I’m Cora, he is told you challenge a pitch again, you won’t finish the AB.  Then. AC has to follow up actually doing it.  
 

It’ll never happen.

[notin]

15 hours ago, FredLynn said:

They'll be in contention-for fourth place. 

In the American League?

Optimistic but I’m on board…

[notin]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The words "position" and "Campbell" are Polar Park opposites right now.

Arias already has MLB defense. He's similar to Rafaela, when Ceddanne was still in the minors -- Gold Glove hands, but needs to use them to hack less at pitches outside the zone...

... which brings me back to my low point of the season so far: how in the world was a guy who has never shown any knowledge of the strike zone whatsoever allowed to challenge a call on an 0-0 pitch in the 2nd inning?

How many Ivy League degrees in Breslow and Bailey's Circus does it take to set some team policies on WHEN to use challenges and WHO is even permitted to contemplate them? 

Are we really nitpicking the use of the ABS system now?

Maybe, since it’s a new system, everyone was instructed to try it out and be aggressive with their challenges?

They’re not going to limit who gets to challenge calls.  The Sox want everyone able to do it…

[notin]

32 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

Agree 100% on Rafaela and challenges.  If I’m Cora, he is told you challenge a pitch again, you won’t finish the AB.  Then. AC has to follow up actually doing it.  
 

It’ll never happen.

Cora might want his players getting used to that system.  Especially since you only have 2 seconds to make a challenge…

[FredLynn]

14 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

The FA players were overrated and old.

Alonso and E Suarez would have fit in just fine if Henry wasn't too cheap to sign one of them

[FredLynn]

38 minutes ago, notin said:

In the American League?

Optimistic but I’m on board…

And I thought there is no fourth place in the AL, just the ALE. Silly me.