Bregman signs with the Cubs

[Randy Red Sox]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He is known as THE "player's manager" for good reason.

Word is, he did not even personally ask Devers to play 1B.

that is my point.  I ask the question of those bashing Devers--would you rescind that trade today?? 

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

that is my point.  I ask the question of those bashing Devers--would you rescind that trade today?? 

In a vacuum, yes, but in reality, no. I think Devers burned the bridge, and I'm not saying it was all his fault.

We needed him at 1B. We might have won it all if he played 1B. He refused to do what the team needed to get way better. I don't fault Brez for trading him.

I'd prefer we spent his money to replace him than to have him back. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like the choice.

[Bellhorn04]

34 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

that is my point.  I ask the question of those bashing Devers--would you rescind that trade today?? 

Not me.  Whoever you think was right or wrong, the relationship seemed to be poisoned, and that's not good when you still owe the guy $250 million or so.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Not me.  Whoever you think was right or wrong, the relationship seemed to be poisoned, and that's not good when you still owe the guy $250 million or so.

Yes, we'd end up having to trade him anyway. Maybe having to pay more than the Hicks contract costs us.

If anything could be undone, I'd undo this:

I'd have moved Devers to 1B and Casas to DH after the Bregman signing.

[Old Red]

45 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He is known as THE "player's manager" for good reason.

Word is, he did not even personally ask Devers to play 1B.

What do you mean word is? It came right out of Cora’s mouth in an interview on NESN, so there is no word to it. Cora was asked if he had spoken to Raffy to play 1B, and Cora said NO. Then he was asked if he was going to, and again Cora said NO. Now only Cora knows why he didn’t ask Raffy to play 1B, but my theory all along is, and has been that Cora didn’t think Raffy would have been good at 1B, and it wouldn’t help the team. Of course the Raffy BASHERS will have another theory conspiracy at best.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Old Red said:

What do you mean word is? It came right out of Cora’s mouth in an interview on NESN, so there is no word to it. Cora was asked if he had spoken to Raffy to play 1B, and Cora said NO. Then he was asked if he was going to, and again Cora said NO. Now only Cora knows why he didn’t ask Raffy to play 1B, but my theory all along is, and has been that Cora didn’t think Raffy would have been good at 1B, and it wouldn’t help the team. Of course the Raffy BASHERS will have another theory conspiracy at best.

Exactly, word is...

Cora's word. Did I say he did ask him?

Strawman once again.

[Old Red]

29 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

In a vacuum, yes, but in reality, no. I think Devers burned the bridge, and I'm not saying it was all his fault.

We needed him at 1B. We might have won it all if he played 1B. He refused to do what the team needed to get way better. I don't fault Brez for trading him.

I'd prefer we spent his money to replace him than to have him back. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like the choice.

I’ve didn’t see at the time, and I don’t to this day see how the Red Sox would have better off with Raffy at 1B, and I think Cora felt the same, and didn’t think Raffy would have been any good at it, and especially the fact that Raffy had gone to DH, and hadn’t even played any in the field. Would Raffy been an improvement over Romy, and then a lesser hitter would have been at DH. No sense to me, and most likely to Cora. As I said before too if Cora had acted differently my opinion would be different, but he  didn’t, and mine hasn’t.

 

 

 

[Bellhorn04]

8 minutes ago, Old Red said:

What do you mean word is? It came right out of Cora’s mouth in an interview on NESN, so there is no word to it. Cora was asked if he had spoken to Raffy to play 1B, and Cora said NO. Then he was asked if he was going to, and again Cora said NO. Now only Cora knows why he didn’t ask Raffy to play 1B, but my theory all along is, and has been that Cora didn’t think Raffy would have been good at 1B, and it wouldn’t help the team. Of course the Raffy BASHERS will have another theory conspiracy at best.

Devers ended up with 125 PAs at 1B.

Splits for year:

DH 599 PA .915 OPS

1B 125 PA .595 OPS

Conclusion: Cora is pretty smart!

 

 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Exactly, word is...

Cora's word. Did I say he did ask him?

Strawman once again.

As usual WRONG analysis. Did you see the interview? 

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Devers ended up with 125 PAs at 1B.

Splits for year:

DH 599 PA .915 OPS

1B 125 PA .595 OPS

Conclusion: Cora is pretty smart!

 

 

I wouldn’t put too much stock into Raffy’s numbers at SF after the trade  last year. It was probably a culture shock, and a hit to his ego getting traded. I think he loved playing in Boston. Remember the record sitting bad start at DH last year too.

[Randy Red Sox]

34 minutes ago, Old Red said:

What do you mean word is? It came right out of Cora’s mouth in an interview on NESN, so there is no word to it. Cora was asked if he had spoken to Raffy to play 1B, and Cora said NO. Then he was asked if he was going to, and again Cora said NO. Now only Cora knows why he didn’t ask Raffy to play 1B, but my theory all along is, and has been that Cora didn’t think Raffy would have been good at 1B, and it wouldn’t help the team. Of course the Raffy BASHERS will have another theory conspiracy at best.

i only said "word is" because it was a long time ago and I don't recall the exact details.

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox offered 5/165 but not a no trade clause. Not exactly cheaping out.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i only said "word is" because it was a long time ago and I don't recall the exact details.

I understand if you didn’t see the interview on NESN, but I did, so it’s Never been a question to me since it happened.

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Whats the demand for Bichette?

Tucker snd Bellinger are still on the market as well…

I got the headline for you “Red Sox were interested but ultimately outbid when player wanted more than a 2 year deal. We will continue to be aggressive and decisive” 

 

 

[notin]

3 hours ago, UtahSox said:

No, I hundred percent agree, but I think it’s the GM’s job or whatever the hell made up title he has (CBO). GM must have a pulse of the product, fans, and push ownership to do the right thing. which is put the best product on the field, get a deep October run. This is what I think Dave Dombrowski did freaking miss that guy.

The GM has a budget.  Dombrowski had a bigger one (comparatively)…

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

What do you mean word is? It came right out of Cora’s mouth in an interview on NESN, so there is no word to it. Cora was asked if he had spoken to Raffy to play 1B, and Cora said NO. Then he was asked if he was going to, and again Cora said NO. Now only Cora knows why he didn’t ask Raffy to play 1B, but my theory all along is, and has been that Cora didn’t think Raffy would have been good at 1B, and it wouldn’t help the team. Of course the Raffy BASHERS will have another theory conspiracy at best.

Devers said he was not moving to 1b.  He said something along the lines of “do they want me to play every position?”  

If Cora didnt ask him, it’s far more likely that he knew Devers would be difficult about it. Cora wanted Bregman at 2b and not 3b.  Was that because he didn’t  think Devers would be a good DH? Or reigning Gold Glover Bregman couldn’t handle 3b?

Or because he knew Devers would be difficult to ask to move? 

All signs point to Devers...

 

 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I don’t to this day see how the Red Sox would have better off with Raffy at 1B,

Raffy has decent athletic skills for a big guy, but I'm not sure he is overly focused.  I thought he'd be a disaster at 1st.  If he was told to start practicing 1st in October, maybe I'd have gambled.  But just imho, I would not have expected good results last year replacing Casas.

And I had -0- issues with him being replaced at 3rd.  And while I think he should've volunteered to play 1st, I don't blame for being less than happy.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

that is my point.  I ask the question of those bashing Devers--would you rescind that trade today?? 

No,  FG projects Devers for an .811 OPS and Yoshida for a .766.  45 more points is nice.  But not $32M nice.  In a vacuum, I'd gladly start Yoshida at DH, since we are already paying him, and Bregman at 3rd for the $32M we were committed to Devers.  I think this ages well.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

As usual WRONG analysis. Did you see the interview? 

Wrong?

Word is does mean not said.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

I’ve didn’t see at the time, and I don’t to this day see how the Red Sox would have better off with Raffy at 1B, and I think Cora felt the same, and didn’t think Raffy would have been any good at it, and especially the fact that Raffy had gone to DH, and hadn’t even played any in the field. Would Raffy been an improvement over Romy, and then a lesser hitter would have been at DH. No sense to me, and most likely to Cora. As I said before too if Cora had acted differently my opinion would be different, but he  didn’t, and mine hasn’t.

I'm fine with anyone disagreeing.

IMO, Casas is one of the worst defensive 1Bman I have ever seen.

IMO, the main issue with Devers D at 3B was his arm- not his glove or quickness. His footwork was not great and that is needed at 1B, so I coulda been wrong.

We don't know why Cora chose Casas over Devers at 1B. It might not have been about who he thought was better on D. We saw him chose Bogey at SS over Story. His loyalty to his players seems to rule his choices, a lot.

IMO, Casas is a china doll. DH'ing him might lessen the chances for injury, and I think (not know) Devers would be better on D at 1B than Casas.

Those are my reasons for disagreeing with the choice made. We don't know if Devers would still be here had they done that and not asked for a second position change, later. Maybe- maybe not.

It turns out he was okay playing 1B for SF but not BOS. That's not Devers bashing. It's fact, and gets to the root of the issue.

You should be happy as there was no "Devers Forevers."

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Wrong?

Word is does mean not said.

Did you see the interview? I understand word is does not mean said, but it was said, and it was shown on NESN, so there shouldn’t even been a question that there still seems to be even today.

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, notin said:

The GM has a budget.  Dombrowski had a bigger one (comparatively)…

I think Dave actually pushed JH. I think Breslow is such a beta, he can’t sell that at all. Also lost Bregman by 2m a year because Breslow refused to include no trade clause. Most vets with options like him demand that. Seems like common sense Bregman has a family, craves stability, Breslow wife talked about this exact topic in the Netflix show. Crazy he couldn’t be empathetic and let that slide…. Plus Bregman saw what just happened to Devers, this shows how far from reality Breslow is. What a terrible closer, he could be selling glacier water in the Sahara and still get a “well think about it”

Can’t stand that guy. 

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm fine with anyone disagreeing.

IMO, Casas is one of the worst defensive 1Bman I have ever seen.

IMO, the main issue with Devers D at 3B was his arm- not his glove or quickness. His footwork was not great and that is needed at 1B, so I coulda been wrong.

We don't know why Cora chose Casas over Devers at 1B. It might not have been about who he thought was better on D. We saw him chose Bogey at SS over Story. His loyalty to his players seems to rule his choices, a lot.

IMO, Casas is a china doll. DH'ing him might lessen the chances for injury, and I think (not know) Devers would be better on D at 1B than Casas.

Those are my reasons for disagreeing with the choice made. We don't know if Devers would still be here had they done that and not asked for a second position change, later. Maybe- maybe not.

It turns out he was okay playing 1B for SF but not BOS. That's not Devers bashing. It's fact, and gets to the root of the issue.

You should be happy as there was no "Devers Forevers."

Casas is a china doll, but he got hurt swinging the bat, and running to 1B, and not playing in the field. It’s not hard to understand to me anyway why Cora kept him at 1B, and why he kept Bogey at SS, and yes I could have understood playing Bregman at 2B. I was also never a Devers Forevers guy, but I still think the Red Sox would have still made the postseason if the Red Sox wold have kept Devers, because of how good their SP was, and I still think Raffy could have made the difference against the Yankees in Yankee Stadium in the postseason.

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Did you see the interview? I understand word is does not mean said, but it was said, and it was shown on NESN, so there shouldn’t even been a question that there still seems to be even today.

Yes, I saw the interview. My statement was still correct.

Do you think "word is" means its not true?

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Casas is a china doll, but he got hurt swinging the bat, and running to 1B, and not playing in the field. It’s not hard to understand to me anyway why Cora kept him at 1B, and why he kept Bogey at SS, and yes I could have understood playing Bregman at 2B. I was also never a Devers Forevers guy, but I still think the Red Sox would have still made the postseason if the Red Sox wold have kept Devers, because of how good their SP was, and I still think Raffy could have made the difference against the Yankees in Yankee Stadium in the postseason.

Yes, I know Casas did not get hurt playing 1B.

Do you think a DH is equally likely to get hurt as a player out on the field half the game?

I just said the odds are better at staying healthy as a DH vs 1Bman. I did not even imply he'd have not gotten hurt in '24 or '25 had he been the DH.

Going forward, I want Casas at DH and hope he beats out Masa. My position is the same, but now it's my wish that Contreras plays 1B not Devers. My position on Devers at 1B had merit, and SF showed they agreed. I'm fine with you (and Cora to a lesser extent) disagreeing, but I'm not sure why you act like my position is way off base.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I know Casas did not get hurt playing 1B.

Do you think a DH is equally likely to get hurt as a player out on the field half the game?

I just said the odds are better at staying healthy as a DH vs 1Bman. I did not even imply he'd have not gotten hurt in '24 or '25 had he been the DH.

Going forward, I want Casas at DH and hope he beats out Masa. My position is the same, but now it's my wish that Contreras plays 1B not Devers. My position on Devers at 1B had merit, and SF showed they agreed. I'm fine with you (and Cora to a lesser extent) disagreeing, but I'm not sure why you act like my position is way off base.

SF already had an excellent 3B, so Raffy wasn’t going to play 3B there anyway, so it wasn’t agreeing with you at all, It’s real easy disagreeing with your positions, because they most always are off base, and most likely don’t, or won’t happen. Good set up.😉

[Old Red]

23 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I saw the interview. My statement was still correct.

Do you think "word is" means its not true?

Why not just say Cora said it, which is what I’ve said since it happened? That only leaves the question of why, and there are enough theories on that as it is.

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, UtahSox said:

I think Dave actually pushed JH. I think Breslow is such a beta, he can’t sell that at all. Also lost Bregman by 2m a year because Breslow refused to include no trade clause. Most vets with options like him demand that. Seems like common sense Bregman has a family, craves stability, Breslow wife talked about this exact topic in the Netflix show. Crazy he couldn’t be empathetic and let that slide…. Plus Bregman saw what just happened to Devers, this shows how far from reality Breslow is. What a terrible closer, he could be selling glacier water in the Sahara and still get a “well think about it”

Can’t stand that guy. 

me and you both. 

i miss Dave.

[moonslav59]

53 minutes ago, Old Red said:

SF already had an excellent 3B, so Raffy wasn’t going to play 3B there anyway, so it wasn’t agreeing with you at all, It’s real easy disagreeing with your positions, because they most always are off base, and most likely don’t, or won’t happen. Good set up.😉

Huh?

Devers was our DH not 3Bman.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, UtahSox said:

I think Dave actually pushed JH. I think Breslow is such a beta, he can’t sell that at all. Also lost Bregman by 2m a year because Breslow refused to include no trade clause. Most vets with options like him demand that. Seems like common sense Bregman has a family, craves stability, Breslow wife talked about this exact topic in the Netflix show. Crazy he couldn’t be empathetic and let that slide…. Plus Bregman saw what just happened to Devers, this shows how far from reality Breslow is. What a terrible closer, he could be selling glacier water in the Sahara and still get a “well think about it”

Can’t stand that guy. 

Dave pushed JH, and it was LL that pushed JH in the beginning. Bloom, and Brez are definitely not pushers, and I think that’s what JH needs. LL used to run the Red Sox, and JH admitted that himself.