The Athletic Confirms Boston's "Aggressive" Offer for Alex Bregman

[mvp 78]

29 minutes ago, Hitch said:

They hate Kennedy. They blame a lot on him. And might be right. 

Did they believe it was real, though? The offer?

Oh, and they believe an offer was real, just don't know how "aggressive" it actually was. If it was 6/171, they believe Breggie would have signed. 

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, Old Red said:

If you just wanted to waste everyone’s time it’s fine, but Alonso was not going to take only 3 years.

They are doing their due dilligence and making a "Red Sox" offer. They have done as much with other FA's and have given much lower offers than were accepted later on. 

[Hitch]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't know if they hate him. They had him on as a guest and I believe Jared is friendly with him. They like that he's a Boston guy. 

They bitch about him A LOT. I'm not saying it isn't deserved, but he's also the easy target. 

[Hitch]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Oh, and they believe an offer was real, just don't know how "aggressive" it actually was. If it was 6/171, they believe Breggie would have signed. 

It make sense to me that he hasn't. Whatever this offer is, he clearly has a market. You give the others a bit of time to beat it.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Signing Bregman or Bichette just may come down to this question: is Connelly Early worth $20 million dollars to Boston for the next half decade? 

... if the Red Sox miss out on signing a coveted free agent because they wouldn't PAY Chicago's or someone's winning bid of an extra $20 mil, the pivot will inevitably be a trade for a legit infielder.

And acquiring a Marte or Donovan is a painful trade that will cost Early at a minimum.

So -- rich businessmen owners of a sports franchise -- think of the extra $20 mil as an investment that includes both an All-Star infielder and a young starting pitcher who solidifies the rotation.

 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Hitch said:

It make sense to me that he hasn't. Whatever this offer is, he clearly has a market. You give the others a bit of time to beat it.

Who are the others? 

AZ - probably don't have Breggie money if they don't trade Marte

CHC - nonserious team for FA's atm

TOR - signed Okamoto

PHI - team probably needs an infusion of youth instead

Unless there is a mystery team, BOS is the fit. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Signing Bregman or Bichette just may come down to this question: is Connelly Early worth $20 million dollars to Boston for the next half decade? 

... if the Red Sox miss out on signing a coveted free agent because they wouldn't PAY Chicago's or someone's winning bid of an extra $20 mil, the pivot will inevitably be a trade for a legit infielder.

And acquiring a Marte or Donovan is a painful trade that will cost Early at a minimum.

So -- rich businessmen owners of a sports franchise -- think of the extra $20 mil as an investment that includes both an All-Star infielder and a young starting pitcher who solidifies the rotation.

 

They aren't trading Early for two years of Donovan. 

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They are doing their due dilligence and making a "Red Sox" offer. They have done as much with other FA's and have given much lower offers than were accepted later on. 

Yes, but they know other teams were hot on his trail like Baltimore apparently was. Alonso drove to the meetings himself to meet with teams, so I think this was a little bit different situation.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

They aren't trading Early for two years of Donovan. 

Not my proposal -- it was the PUNDITS!

[jad]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not sure what problem we are trying to solve?

The problem of not understanding irony?

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes, but they know other teams were hot on his trail like Baltimore apparently was. Alonso drove to the meetings himself to meet with teams, so I think this was a little bit different situation.

Total "pick me" behavior. Embarrassing. 

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Not my proposal -- it was the PUNDITS!

We need to get rid of this batch of pundits. I think we could do a better job. 

[Old Red]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Total "pick me" behavior. Embarrassing. 

I worked though. Now time will tell if Baltimore has buyers remorse.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

PHI - team probably needs an infusion of youth instead

I'd cross off Philly.  If they sign Bregman to replace Bohm, it is a 1.5 fWAR upgrade that would make them unlikely to re-sign Realmuto.

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Who are the others? 

AZ - probably don't have Breggie money if they don't trade Marte

CHC - nonserious team for FA's atm

TOR - signed Okamoto

PHI - team probably needs an infusion of youth instead

Unless there is a mystery team, BOS is the fit. 

Everyone you've mentioned there is his market, expect probably Jays. I imagine there's others, too.

If he had no market he'd take the money.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

I'd cross off Philly.  If they sign Bregman to replace Bohm, it is a 1.5 fWAR upgrade that would make them unlikely to re-sign Realmuto.

Was just trying to name any potential suitor. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Hitch said:

Everyone you've mentioned there is his market, expect probably Jays. I imagine there's others, too.

If he had no market he'd take the money.

Who are the others? I can't think of any at the moment. 

They are holding out because the offer isn't going to be taken off the table. 

He didn't sign until middle of February last year. He may wait that long this year too. 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

think of the extra $20 mil as an investment

It'll likely be more than $20M.  Marte is locked in for $102M/6.  If they signed Bregman to $150M/6, the extra cost is $48M, and Marte is probably the better player right now.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

It'll likely be more than $20M.  Marte is locked in for $102M/6.  If they signed Bregman to $150M/6, the extra cost is $48M, and Marte is probably the better player right now.

Marte is cheaper, but you have to deal off players to get him. Is it worth the cost savings to do that? IDK. 

[Hitch]

29 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Who are the others? I can't think of any at the moment. 

They are holding out because the offer isn't going to be taken off the table. 

He didn't sign until middle of February last year. He may wait that long this year too. 

The offer might not come off the table, but the Sox might pivot to Bo as well, or just call it a day and go with Raf in 2nd, or a multitude of other directions.

Bregman is converted. He will have suitors. I very much hope he has few and we get him cheap. I see little reason to think that likely though. 

[Old Red]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Marte is cheaper, but you have to deal off players to get him. Is it worth the cost savings to do that? IDK. 

Breggie has been plan A all along, and I don’t know what plan B is. Marte has been mentioned many, many times, but he might not even be on the market. 

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Breggie has been plan A all along, and I don’t know what plan B is. Marte has been mentioned many, many times, but he might not even be on the market. 

I think Bo is a reluctant plan B. I think I'd prefer he was plan A, but I go back and forth on this daily. 

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, Hitch said:

The offer might not come off the table, but the Sox might pivot to Bo as well, or just call it a day and go with Raf in 2nd, or a multitude of other directions.

Bregman is converted. He will have suitors. I very much hope he has few and we get him cheap. I see little reason to think that likely though. 

The Sox have already stated that the market for Bo was too high for where they wanted to go after they met with him. I think they are all in on Bregman and don't have a backup plan. 

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Breggie has been plan A all along, and I don’t know what plan B is. Marte has been mentioned many, many times, but he might not even be on the market. 

If they truly have an aggressive offer out to Bregman, why use all the prospect capital it would take to bring in Marte? 

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

The Sox have already stated that the market for Bo was too high for where they wanted to go after they met with him. I think they are all in on Bregman and don't have a backup plan. 

Markets change, markets collapse. Let's see what happens. The one thing I'm sure of - they have a back up plan for Bregman. Whether than plan is palatable to the fan base is another thing. But they won't just be sitting around with their fingers and toes crossed. 

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If they truly have an aggressive offer out to Bregman, why use all the prospect capital it would take to bring in Marte? 

I don’t think they will. Of course Donavan has been mentioned on here as well, which be cheaper in money, and what it would take to get him, but it’s a drop off too from what Marte would bring.

 

[mvp 78]

If the backup plan is either Donovan or an internal option, it's not a great one! 

[notin]

3 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Not my proposal -- it was the PUNDITS!

A lot of those pundits have no more insight than we do…

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, Hitch said:

Just felt like a weird segue. We were talking about Bregman and then all of a sudden you're replying to me as if we're having a conversation about Lester.

Your comment I responded to started with this:

Never make your final offer first, as they say. 

To me, that was an all encompassing statement that did not (fully) apply to the Lester situation. I thought I'd bring it up.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, Old Red said:

I worked though. Now time will tell if Baltimore has buyers remorse.

The more money and years worked.