Orioles (Sugano) vs Red Sox (Buehler): 8/19/25, 7:10pm

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

As unpopular as Henry is, we would be much more likely to get a cheaper owner than a more free-spending one…

I'd take my chances. We are going nowhere with our current owner, as the last several years has proven.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

Sorry. But thats laugable. We needed guys like Naylor and Ryan and we got M&Ms. Admittedly both of them are playing better than I expected, but I do not think that will continue given their track record. Expecting them and players like Gonzales, Toro, Wang, Narvaez to all play better than their career or expected numbers is not smart. Same with Rafaela. The other contenders improved. For the second year in a row we marched in place.

Breslow played it down the middle again, it's hard to dispute that.  His deadlines have been very similar to Bloom's.  

[drewski6]

13 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Go Cleveland!

Why?

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

"The pitching favored the Os".

They are a LAST PLACE TEAM-by a mile! If we cannot beat last place teams AT HOME when it matters that speaks volumes for how BAD we are. As of now we are tied with the Ms and Cleveland and KC are just two games behind us and gaining because they are playing better baseball. One of them will almost certainly pass us.

Rogers 1.41 ERA vs May 4.59 ERA

Sugano 3.90 ERA vs Buehler 5.40 ERA

BAL just went 2-1 vs SEA, 2-1 vs HOU and 2-1 vs BOS back to back to back. Must be a pretty good last place team. OR it speaks to how BAD Houston and Seattle are. God, the whole American League must be totally awful if these 3 teams are in the playoff picture, but just lost their series to the a last place team! 

[Maxbialystock]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You called it pretty early this year on the failure to move on from Toro.

I'm not a fan of Toro either, but blaming him for last night's debacle is mindless.  The Sox were 0/13 with RISP.  In the 8th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out, Duran, Story, and Yoshida all struck out.  Of the Sox 3 runs, one was scored on a balk.  So Lowe's 2 run dinger was the Sox only meaningful hit in the entire game.   

Buehler also stunk, but the bullpen was terrific, giving up 1 ER in 7 IP.  

Oh, and in the 11th inning with 1 out and Eaton on 3b, Eaton acted as though he thought there were 2 outs because he ran for home when the ball was hit.  

 

 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Why?

He'd rather the Sox tank and be proven right to be miserable than have to see the Sox succeed and see other posters be happy and potentially admit he was wrong. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Breslow played it down the middle again, it's hard to dispute that.  His deadlines have been very similar to Bloom's.  

The life of an inexperienced CBO. 😩

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm not a fan of Toro either, but blaming him for last night's debacle is mindless.  The Sox were 0/13 with RISP.  In the 8th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out, Duran, Story, and Yoshida all struck out.  Of the Sox 3 runs, one was scored on a balk.  So Lowe's 2 run dinger was the Sox only meaningful hit in the entire game.   

Buehler also stunk, but the bullpen was terrific, giving up 1 ER in 7 IP.  

Oh, and in the 11th inning with 1 out and Eaton on 3b, Eaton acted as though he thought there were 2 outs because he ran for home when the ball was hit.  

 

 

Toro has been dreadful for a while now, Max.  It's not just last night.

[FredLynn]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The 2018 Sox lost 3 straight in August twice.

The 2021 Sox went 12-16 in August.

Just to recap, to keep it real, here is how the FLOPS have finished recently: 

2019: 84 wins; 2020: last place: 2021: 92 wins (whoopee!): 2022: last place (78 wins); 2023:last place (78 wins); and 2024: 81 wins.

Not exactly a record of remarkable success, is it. Time for a change. Tear it all down.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

The life of an inexperienced CBO. 😩

It's odd because Breslow has been much bolder in some ways. 

[notin]

23 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

And sinking like a rock in August, as usual.  

 

The Sox are 9-7 in August. 

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, FredLynn said:

Just to recap, to keep it real, here is how the FLOPS have finished recently: 

2019: 84 wins; 2020: last place: 2021: 92 wins (whoopee!): 2022: last place (78 wins); 2023:last place (78 wins); and 2024: 81 wins.

Not exactly a record of remarkable success, is it. Time for a change. Tear it all down.

As a man who likes to keep it real, what's the point of these "tear it all down" fantasies?  

Seems like that's your coping mechanism.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Kinda sucks that this team so predictably crashes towards the end of the season, doesn’t it? It’s a very flawed franchise. You do realize that for all intents and purposes the season ended with yesterdays loss, right?

I think you can divorce these two points.  I agree with Bellhorn.

We're spectacularly mediocre but it doesnt mean the season is over becasue the entire AL is spectacularly mediocre.  We arent toast , but what a missed opportunity. 5 years running now!  

The difference this year, compared to previous, is that the AL is even more mediocre.

Are these GMs trolling me.  Nobody is aggressively trying to make their team better.  We continue (5 years running) allow floundering players to continue to flounder.  But we crossed our fingers AND our toes this time!

Seasons not dead, because in order to lose you have to be beat.  This is more like a race to the absolute bottom and its boring and Breslow is just Bloom repackaged.

Theres like 3 teams in all of baseball who are actually trying.

[mvp 78]

Just now, FredLynn said:

Just to recap, to keep it real, here is how the FLOPS have finished recently: 

2019: 84 wins; 2020: last place: 2021: 92 wins (whoopee!): 2022: last place (78 wins); 2023:last place (78 wins); and 2024: 81 wins.

Not exactly a record of remarkable success, is it. Time for a change. Tear it all down.

What do those years have to do with this year? 

This year's rotation has 4 new starters.

The position players include Narvaez, Anthony, a healthy Story for once, Bregman and maybe a new fulltime 1b? 

The bullpen has a healthy Whitlock and Chapman is one of the best closers in baseball. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

58 minutes ago, notin said:

Seriously?

 

Why stop here? f***ing Isaiah Campbell not only ruined the bullpen, but is also the leading cause of fentanyl addiction, divorce and K-Pop.

I leave anything out? 

 

 

Named after Sixties artwork by Andy Warhol.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Toro has been dreadful for a while now, Max.  It's not just last night.

To be fair, Toro until June 13 had a .891 OPS. When Casas went down he contributed. The mistake Cora and Breslow made was thinking that might continue. Like many other players he regressed towards his career norms. You just can't EXPECT a group of also-ran players to all have career years and carry the team in Oct. Thats just plain dumb.

[drewski6]

30 minutes ago, notin said:

Also since the trade deadline, the difference between Ryan and Dustin May is Ryan has 1.1 more shutout innings. Four more outs.  
 

The deadline might not be the problem you think it was.  Especially if Lowe does anything 

Okay, what about nate easton having a role on the 26?

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

It's odd because Breslow has been much bolder in some ways. 

There's less time to be methodical and stick to a process during a blitz like the trade deadline. I think you need experience to really run the end of July. Offseason, drafting, building the farm, etc. should be easier. 

[notin]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

As a man who likes to keep it real, what's the point of these "tear it all down" fantasies?  

Seems like that's your coping mechanism.

The problem for many Boston sports fans is all those years of Epstein/Francona and Belichick did create very unrealistic expectations for a successful franchise.  Especially since those were the best runs in the history of each franchise and they overlapped significantly…

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

The Sox are 9-7 in August. 

How did we do against the Marlins and last place Os? Whats your prediction for the weekend then the next series with the seemingly unbeatable (for us) O's?

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

The Sox are 9-7 in August. 

Could be a pumice stone? 

[Maxbialystock]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Rogers 1.41 ERA vs May 4.59 ERA

Sugano 3.90 ERA vs Buehler 5.40 ERA

BAL just went 2-1 vs SEA, 2-1 vs HOU and 2-1 vs BOS back to back to back. Must be a pretty good last place team. OR it speaks to how BAD Houston and Seattle are. God, the whole American League must be totally awful if these 3 teams are in the playoff picture, but just lost their series to the a last place team! 

Plus moonslav pointed out the Orioles are 9 games over .500 for the last 70 games.  The Sox are 12 games over .500 over their last 70 games, but they have definitely hit a rough spot.  

 

 

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

As a man who likes to keep it real, what's the point of these "tear it all down" fantasies?  

Seems like that's your coping mechanism.

Tear it all down for what? Just to punt the next 3 years again? 

[notin]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Okay, what about nate easton having a role on the 26?

What about it?  He’s a role player that only makes it to Boston when someone gets hurt.   Every team has players like him, and some are less talented…

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What do those years have to do with this year? 

This year's rotation has 4 new starters.

The position players include Narvaez, Anthony, a healthy Story for once, Bregman and maybe a new fulltime 1b? 

The bullpen has a healthy Whitlock and Chapman is one of the best closers in baseball. 

The records I posted prove that this franchise has become LOSERS, basically year after year. Are you happy with the track record I posted? Assuming (reasonably) that we will again crash and burn what changes should be made to improve the team going forward (ie, wait until next year......AGAIN)? You know the old saying, "the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results". 

Right?

[notin]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

How did we do against the Marlins and last place Os? Whats your prediction for the weekend then the next series with the seemingly unbeatable (for us) O's?

The Sox took 2 out of 3 from the Marlins.  Why is that so bad?

They got swept by the Orioles, but it was a 2 game series.  Not the same as getting swept in 3 games.

This upcoming series? With Buehler going yesterday (aka not pitching) the Sox have given themselves their best chance, especially if May can keep it going…

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Tear it all down for what? Just to punt the next 3 years again? 

Fred just likes saying things like that.  Over and over.  

[drewski6]

28 minutes ago, notin said:

 That’s not what I said.

What I did say is there has been very little difference in the 3 weeks since the Sox settled on May over Ryan. Both have allowed 4 ER; Ryan in 17 IP and May in 15.2 IP.  May has been a pleasant surprise since his rocky debut.

That deadline decision has not been a problem yet.  And certainly hadn’t caused this unprecedented 3 game slide.

 

So again - last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20? I honestly don’t know, but I bet it’s been a while…

the deadline has 100% been THE problem

We needed to squeeze 4-5 chumps off our 26 and we didnt

We're just being saved right now by all the other clown GMs

Part of me hopes Yankees and Dodgers win 9 of the next 10 world series.  At least they try.

None of these cheapskate owners refusing to part with prospects trying to "yes, but" obvious holes.  Its not about "playing better baseball" or "doing the little things" or "getting a spark" or "thats just baseball"

If you got rid of the yankees, dodgers, and phillies, youd have the nfl.  Just nothing but owners all tryiing to stay mediocre to keep payrolls down.

I say revolt! resist! get your pitchfork, we're storming fenway

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

The problem for many Boston sports fans is all those years of Epstein/Francona and Belichick did create very unrealistic expectations for a successful franchise.  Especially since those were the best runs in the history of each franchise and they overlapped significantly…

Thats a copout. A big market team should be fairly good nearly every year. I posted the fact that since 2019 we have had ONE good year, 2021. The rest were awful or mediocre. Thats just a fact. Unfortunately, this year doesn't look much different.

[drewski6]

i mean fred has some good points, he muddies them up , but if you ignore the refusal to see that everyone else stinks too - hes making good points on us.  Our asks arent absurd.  We want more churn. More turnover.  More decisiveness.  I dont even need them to spend 300m.  Just freaking dont look at half-complete roster and say "good enough"