Red Sox (Bello) vs Brewers (Peralta): 5/28/25, 1:10pm

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

3 minutes ago, a700hitter said:

The left side was very good.  

Not really, bregman was tied for the 3rd most errors and had a .966 fielding %

[a700hitter]

1 minute ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Not really, bregman was tied for the 3rd most errors and had a .966 fielding %

He’s a proven gold glover.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Just now, a700hitter said:

He’s a proven gold glover.

What one did last year doesn't matter this year.

The fact is he wasn't a GG'er this year so far.

[a700hitter]

Just now, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

What one did last year doesn't matter this year.

The fact is he wasn't a GG'er this year so far.

SSS He is an excellent fielder.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Just now, a700hitter said:

SSS He is an excellent fielder.

That's great, but he wasn't so far this year.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Red Sox's Brayan Bello comments on being pulled from game early again

[Jasonbay44]

2 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Not really, bregman was tied for the 3rd most errors and had a .966 fielding %

He was also tied for league lead IN DWAR with perennial gold gloves Matt Chapman when he got hurt. But yeah, he wasn’t making the infield defense better. 

[cp176]

9 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Red Sox's Brayan Bello comments on being pulled from game early again

Once again, a starting pitcher pulled early.  77 pitches!  Ridiculous.  Young, strong, and fairly fit arms.  No one should ever complain about one our starters not being able to pitch 6 innings of baseball.  In many cases they just aren’t being given the opportunity.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

10 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

That's great, but he wasn't so far this year.

I'll take his body of work over an entire career over a month and a half in Boston.  Many of those were throwing errors, he never got help from a competent first baseman who could have dug out some of those low throws.  

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

7 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

He was also tied for league lead IN DWAR with perennial gold gloves Matt Chapman when he got hurt. But yeah, he wasn’t making the infield defense better. 

I never claimed that he didn't make the infield defense better.

[Hugh2]

10 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

That's great, but he wasn't so far this year.

Bregman has certainly made a few more errors this year in an uncharacteristic fashion, but those aside he's been really really good at third base. 

[jad]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Bregman has certainly made a few more errors this year in an uncharacteristic fashion, but those aside he's been really really good at third base. 

And then, if you disrregard  Rafy's errors,, he's been really good as well.

 

[Hugh2]

37 minutes ago, jad said:

And then, if you disrregard  Rafy's errors,, he's been really good as well.

 

LOL, that's a very weird way of looking at it.  Do guys just stand still and only make the same amount of plays that come right at them?  and are you seriously comparing Raffy to Bregman.  Come on man Bregman very clearly is a better defender with more range who gets to and makes more plays. 

[Jasonbay44]

1 hour ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

I never claimed that he didn't make the infield defense better.

You claimed he wasn’t an excellent fielder when he was tied with Matt Chapman in DWAR for league lead.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, Jasonbay44 said:

You claimed he wasn’t an excellent fielder when he was tied with Matt Chapman in DWAR for league lead.

Splendor seems strictly old school when it comes to fielding stats.  

[Jasonbay44]

1 hour ago, jad said:

And then, if you disrregard  Rafy's errors,, he's been really good as well.

 

Not even close. Bregman makes more errors because he gets to balls Devers can’t even sniff. Devers messes up routine plays.

Manny Machado leads MLB 3B in errors and Matt Chapman is 2nd. Do you think those guys are bad fielders? 

[Jasonbay44]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Splendor seems strictly old school when it comes to fielding stats.  

He must have been a big fan of Derek Jeter and Rafael Palmeiro’s gold gloves! 

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Not even close. Bregman makes more errors because he gets to balls Devers can’t even sniff. Devers messes up routine plays.

Manny Machado leads MLB 3B in errors and Matt Chapman is 2nd. Do you think those guys are bad fielders? 

Chapman is a good fielder. Machado is getting worse as he ages, which is not very surprising (0 OAA '24, -3 OAA '25). 

[Jasonbay44]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Chapman is a good fielder. Machado is getting worse as he ages, which is not very surprising (0 OAA '24, -3 OAA '25). 

I don’t think Machado is near the worst in the league though, or even “bad” despite leading the league in errors. He is probably trending more towards an average fielder. Devers is legitimately bad in the field and can’t even blame age like Machado can. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, Jasonbay44 said:

I don’t think Machado is near the worst in the league though, or even “bad” despite leading the league in errors. He is probably trending more towards an average fielder. Devers is legitimately bad in the field and can’t even blame age like Machado can. 

I haven't watched any Padres games this season, so I can't confirm either way. I'm sure he's still lightyears ahead of what Devers would do at 3b. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

33 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

You claimed he wasn’t an excellent fielder when he was tied with Matt Chapman in DWAR for league lead.

Exactly nowhere did I state that he's not a good fielder. Excellent? That's subjective. That all depends on what one considers "excellent".

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

35 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Splendor seems strictly old school when it comes to fielding stats.  

Swing and a miss.

I take many different measures into account, but I don't dismiss the old school metrics all together either.

[Jasonbay44]

1 minute ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Exactly nowhere did I state that he's not a good fielder. Excellent? That's subjective. That all depends on what one considers "excellent".

Matt Chapman is without a doubt an excellent defender, and Bregman was tied with him in DWAR. That is pretty excellent. But whatever, keep trolling and reading MSN articles 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

35 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Not even close. Bregman makes more errors because he gets to balls Devers can’t even sniff. 

Well, a previous poster claimed that most of bregman's errors are on throws, which really doesn't have much to do with getting to balls that devers can't.

Now, I don't know how true this is because I haven't looked into how many of his errors were throws vs with the glove.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

2 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Matt Chapman is without a doubt an excellent defender, and Bregman was tied with him in DWAR. That is pretty excellent. But whatever, keep trolling and reading MSN articles 

Exactly nowhere did I troll, nice try.

I simply stated that the sox infield was certainly not competent even with bregman. Which is entirely true since they are one of the worst fielding teams even with bregman.

Are you saying they weren't?

[Jasonbay44]

2 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Well, a previous poster claimed that most of bregman's errors are on throws, which really doesn't have much to do with getting to balls that devers can't.

Now, I don't know how true this is because I haven't looked into how many of his errors were throws vs with the glove.

Literally the exact opposite.

If you get an excellent jump for a ball that a normal third basemen doesn’t get to and bounce throw to first and 1B doesn’t pick it. That’s a throwing error. Devers has no range and makes throwing errors 

[Jasonbay44]

2 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Exactly nowhere did I troll, nice try.

I simply stated that the sox infield was certainly not competent even with bregman. Which is entirely true since they are one of the worst fielding teams even with bregman.

Are you saying they weren't?

I know this is a tough thing to understand, but if ateam loses one of its best fielders, it will make the fielding worse, even if they were already bad, it’s still a downgrade . Crazy concept, I know. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

2 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

I know this is a tough thing to understand, but if ateam loses one of its best fielders, it will make the fielding worse, even if they were already bad, it’s still a downgrade . Crazy concept, I know. 

I know this is a tough thing to understand, but exactly nowhere did I ever state that the sox infield didn't get worse without bregman. I said it wasn't competent even with bregman, Reading is fundamental. Crazy concept, I know.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

7 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Literally the exact opposite.

If you get an excellent jump for a ball that a normal third basemen doesn’t get to and bounce throw to first and 1B doesn’t pick it. That’s a throwing error. Devers has no range and makes throwing errors 

That's a contradiction.

[Jasonbay44]

5 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

That's a contradiction.

How is that a contradiction? It’s a throwing error. Nolan Arenado made 17 errors in a season while leading 3B in assists, putouts, DWAR and won Gold glove. Guys who get to more balls, have more chances, and sometimes make an error attempting the exceptional on plays most guys don’t get too. 2024 Elly De La Cruz is a perfect example.