Article: Who’s the Red Sox Third Baseman? It's Messy

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Bregman has equal seniority. I'm not sure why Devers might thinkhis opinion over rides all others.

Nonsense, bregman has zero seniority in the clubhouse aside from cora going back to their trashcan banging days in houston.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

29 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

It's an important decision that the manager has to make. It effects the infield defense on the one hand and the morale and attitude of your best hitter on the other hand. 

On the other hand, if cora let's devers dictate where he plays then it could have the effect of the inmates running the asylum in the clubhouse.

[Old Red]

Just now, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

On the other hand, if cora let's devers dictate where he plays then it could have the effect of the inmates running the asylum in the clubhouse.

Except for Casas do we know how the clubhouse feels about the situation?

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Just now, Old Red said:

Except for Casas do we know how the clubhouse feels about the situation?

No, but I'm not naive enough to believe all 25 guys are in agreement either.

[Old Red]

33 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

It's an important decision that the manager has to make. It effects the infield defense on the one hand and the morale and attitude of your best hitter on the other hand. Both play a big role in the team's success. But that is the manager's job. Do it. Letting it drag on shows indecisiveness.   And if a prospect makes a big enough impact in spring training to win a starting job, you can make adjustments. That is always the case with rookies anyway. Saying things like " These things have a way of sorting themselves out ", etc. is a cop out. 

The problem to me is that whomever the 2B is going to be should get plenty of reps in STwith Story playing SS, and I don’t really see that happening.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

No, but I'm not naive enough to believe all 25 guys are in agreement either.

I agree, and I’m not either. I do give kudos to Casas though to give his opinion when asked. To me he was sticking up for a teammate who been around a lot longer than someone just coming over to a new team no matter how long both players have been in the league.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I agree, and I’m not either. I do give kudos to Casas though to give his opinion when asked. To me he was sticking up for a teammate who been around a lot longer than someone just coming over to a new team no matter how long both players have been in the league.

That part I don't agree with.

I would prefer that he defer to management and support their decision.

[dgalehouse]

22 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

On the other hand, if cora let's devers dictate where he plays then it could have the effect of the inmates running the asylum in the clubhouse.

My point is that Cora has to take everything into account and make a decision. That is what a leader does. A case can be made that Devers should stay at third and Bregman plays second. And a case can be made that Bregman should play third and Devers should DH. No matter what you decide, you are not going to please everyone. But show everyone that you are in charge. They have to respect that. 

[jad]

7 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Well, if he refuses to play where the team tells him to play then he is in violation of his contract. Hence, the union would have no leg to stand on. That's why, as the article pointed out, Soriano moved to the outfield. Smh.

And, no, I never have been part of a union nor would I. I have been a business owner most of my adult life, not a worker.

Ah yes,, another bad-ass, tough guy business owner.   (Sorry about all that minimum wage, no-child-labor, 40-hr-workweek b.s., and all those inconvenient safety regulations.)

[Old Red]

33 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

That part I don't agree with.

I would prefer that he defer to management and support their decision.

I would agree, but Cora opened the door when he discussed with reporters what he said to Raffy in a private meeting, something that he doesn’t normally do.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

3 minutes ago, jad said:

Ah yes,, another bad-ass, tough guy business owner.   (Sorry about all that minimum wage, no-child-labor, 40-hr-workweek b.s., and all those inconvenient safety regulations.)

My business has zero to do with any of that. Why not ask first instead of making an ignorant assumption?

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, Old Red said:

This has been already been gone over before. Having equal seniority in the league ALL with ANOTHER team does not give Bregman equal seniority with the Red Sox IMO. Devers has EVERY right to feel that way, and it shouldn’t come as any surprise to anyone.

Oh, you went over this before, so it's set in stone.

of course Devers has every right to want what he wants and say what he said.

My point was about Bregman's seniority and accomplishments. Yes, team seniority matters more, and I get that, but that does not mean Bregman's case is moot. It's a good thing he's open to playing whereever Cora wants him, so there will be no show down between the players, but to me, Bregman has done a better job at 3B for just as long as Devers, and that has meaning, too.

For someone who stresses the rights of everyone to have their own opinion, you sure make it sound like some opinions are off limits.

There is no "surprise" about Devers' position. I never said he does not have "the RIGHT to feel that way." More strawman talk.

I'd have been surprised if Devers rolled over, easily.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Oh, you went over this before, so it's set in stone.

of course Devers has every right to want what he wants and say what he said.

My point was about Bregman's seniority and accomplishments. Yes, team seniority matters more, and I get that, but that does not mean Bregman's case is moot. It's a good thing he's open to playing whereever Cora wants him, so there will be no show down between the players, but to me, Bregman has done a better job at 3B for just as long as Devers, and that has meaning, too.

For someone who stresses the rights of everyone to have their own opinion, you sure make it sound like some opinions are off limits.

There is no "surprise" about Devers' position. I never said he does not have "the RIGHT to feel that way." More strawman talk.

I'd have been surprised if Devers rolled over, easily.

No it’s not set in stone, and that’s why I said IMO. You on the other hand just made a blanket statement that Bregman, and Raffy have equal seniority, and that does not make it so, because you said it, and yes I think it is moot. Who is a better 3B is not even a question except in maybe Raffy’s mind, and that is not moot IMO. You didn’t say it was equal seniority as an opinion, or at least you didn’t say that. No Strawman situation at all, which is often one of your fallbacks.

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No it’s not set in stone, and that’s why I said IMO. You on the other hand just made a blanket statement that Bregman, and Raffy have equal seniority, and that does not make it so, because you said it, and yes I think it is moot. Who is a better 3B is not even a question except in maybe Raffy’s mind, and that is not moot IMO. You didn’t say it was equal seniority as an opinion, or at least you didn’t say that. No Strawman situation at all, which is often one of your fallbacks.

They've both been in the league about the same time.  I recognize team seniority is more important. I don't see things as only black and white.

You ended your reply to me with this, "Devers has EVERY right to feel that way, and it shouldn’t come as any surprise to anyone." What did I say or even imply that has anything to do with this?

Of course, I'm not surprised and of course Devers feelings are understandable.  

What does it mean when you say, "This has been already been gone over before." You don't just choose those words for no reason. Saying that implies the debate was settled or your point was established and does not need to be brought up again. Of course, your fallback will be that your words have alternate meanings that nobody else shares, but your street corner buddies.

You are the master of strawman building, but I am aware you probably don't even know what the true meaning of the term is.

[notin]

21 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

That part I don't agree with.

I would prefer that he defer to management and support their decision.

And maybe they will when Cora makes one.  At this point in ST, is it really necessary?

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

And maybe they will when Cora makes one.  At this point in ST, is it really necessary?

Sean Newcomb started today's game. Are they even trying? Seems like they are PUNTING this year already! 

[mvp 78]

 

[moonslav59]

Watch how many articles will be written about these latest non controversial comments by Devers.

[Bellhorn04]

44 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

Much better.  I hereby vow to keep my trap shut about Devers and third base until at least Opening Day. 

[moonslav59]

Nary a peep.

[moonslav59]

Hoping Devers has a career year.

(I keep saying that.)

[Larry Cook]

Assuming Devers shoulders keep him from playing third. If Bergman gets hurt, does Jordan become our starting 3rd baseman????

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Assuming Devers shoulders keep him from playing third. If Bergman gets hurt, does Jordan become our starting 3rd baseman????

Not even close.

He's not ML ready.

He's not good enough.

We have Grissom, Romy and DHam.

Rafaela played 620 innings at 3B.

Campbell could play 3B.

Hell, we might try Wong or Casas at 3B, before Jordan, Casas played 3B in the minors.

 

[notin]

9 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Assuming Devers shoulders keep him from playing third. If Bergman gets hurt, does Jordan become our starting 3rd baseman????

Romy or Vaughn Grissom…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Romy or Vaughn Grissom…

Grissom didn't have the arm from second last year, but he put on 80 pounds of muscle this winter, so hopefully some of it is in his throwing shoulder and plant leg.

Without any confirmation whatsoever but my own ignorant bliss, I'm declaring today that if AB and Raffy are both on the IL, Mayer will get the call for a cup of expresso at third base.

Have to admit, as much as Anthony and Campbell have moved ahead in the ratings because of their bats, the most polished on defense right now is Marcelo.

[Hugh2]

the last few days have pretty much confirmed what I thought was obvious.  The whole Devers 3B thing was a nothing burger. 

[notin]

12 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

the last few days have pretty much confirmed what I thought was obvious.  The whole Devers 3B thing was a nothing burger. 

Some were saying that all along…

[notin]

14 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Hoping Devers has a career year.

(I keep saying that.)

He will.

I didn’t renew my contract for him on my fantasy team.  I expect him to EXPLODE now…

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Assuming Devers shoulders keep him from playing third. If Bergman gets hurt, does Jordan become our starting 3rd baseman????

Blaze Jordan? God, no. 693 OPS last year. 11 errors in 57 games at 3B. If he can't hack it at 3B in AA, he'll never make it in MLB where the game is much faster. 

[notin]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Not even close.

He's not ML ready.

He's not good enough.

We have Grissom, Romy and DHam.

Rafaela played 620 innings at 3B.

Campbell could play 3B.

Hell, we might try Wong or Casas at 3B, before Jordan, Casas played 3B in the minors.

 

I’m not sure how Jordan even gets into the argument.  His chances of playing third base for the Red Sox this season are only marginally better than mine.  He’s not third on the depth chart..