Article: BREAKING: Red Sox Sign Walker Buehler To One-Year Contract

[Hitch]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Sure it is.

This is where people are at now. So DESPERATE to be annoyed, that even simple logic (and/or research) fails them. f***ing weird.

 

For what it's worth, I'm glad we're going nowhere near Burnes for what he wants. 

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

No, they can't. Go read up on what teams are allowed to bid on Sasaki before continuing down this path. 

I found this:

"Is everyone in?
Because Sasaki is beholden to the rules of the international signing period and bonus pools, there is a more level playing field than for other free agent signings. It’s been made clear that the bonus Sasaki receives to sign will not be the determining factor. The most any team could theoretically offer is just more than $7.5 million that eight teams (the A’s, Brewers, Mariners, Marlins, Rays, Reds, Tigers, Twins) have in their '25 pools. "

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/roki-sasaki-free-agent-favorites

 

Why not then offer the maximum amount that is possible within the rules? If we then lose out we cannot blame Henry. But if they don't max out then you can bet I WILL blame Henry.

 

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

This is where people are at now. So DESPERATE to be annoyed, that even simple logic (and/or research) fails them. f***ing weird.

 

For what it's worth, I'm glad we're going nowhere near Burnes for what he wants. 

How do you know what he would accept?

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

How do you know what he would accept?

I can reasonably guess based off Fried's deal and what journos are projecting for him. And at 7/8 years I'm glad we're not part of it. 

 

If his market dies and he's looking for a similar deal to Snell last year, then go for it. That seems highly unlikely. 

[Hitch]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I found this:

"Is everyone in?
Because Sasaki is beholden to the rules of the international signing period and bonus pools, there is a more level playing field than for other free agent signings. It’s been made clear that the bonus Sasaki receives to sign will not be the determining factor. The most any team could theoretically offer is just more than $7.5 million that eight teams (the A’s, Brewers, Mariners, Marlins, Rays, Reds, Tigers, Twins) have in their '25 pools. "

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/roki-sasaki-free-agent-favorites

 

Why not then offer the maximum amount that is possible within the rules? If we then lose out we cannot blame Henry. But if they don't max out then you can bet I WILL blame Henry.

 

They're obviously going to max out. Everyone is.  

[Hugh2]

I love how they're going after arms they like, Buehler was projected to go to Boston months earlier because he has the exact profile Breslow/Bailey like in an arm. 

Not only do you get a solid guy if he's on, but then you can Q.O. the guy and net a draft pick out of him as well. 

Would be pretty nifty if the Sox turned themselves into the rehab destination.  Net bounce back seasons and picks.  Of course, this works because you put someone like Crochet at the top of your rotation who should be competition for a Cy Young next year. 

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

They're obviously going to max out. Everyone is.  

I also suspect that it's not all about money.  If it was, he would wait a year and take a few hundrew million dollars more.  Even Ohtani only took up about 1/2 of LA's pool.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Sasaki only get around $5-$6 million and not $10.  It depends on where he wants to go. 

 

I wonder if he's holding up the Burnes market. 

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

I also suspect that it's not all about money.  If it was, he would wait a year and take a few hundrew million dollars more.  Even Ohtani only took up about 1/2 of LA's pool.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Sasaki only get around $5-$6 million and not $10.  It depends on where he wants to go. 

 

I wonder if he's holding up the Burnes market. 

Burnes was kind of expected to sign later on from the start, I think.

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

I also suspect that it's not all about money.  If it was, he would wait a year and take a few hundrew million dollars more.  Even Ohtani only took up about 1/2 of LA's pool.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Sasaki only get around $5-$6 million and not $10.  It depends on where he wants to go. 

 

I wonder if he's holding up the Burnes market. 

Yeah when the money is that low, it'll have zero impact on his decision. He'll go where he can win and be comfortable. 

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I found this:

"Is everyone in?
Because Sasaki is beholden to the rules of the international signing period and bonus pools, there is a more level playing field than for other free agent signings. It’s been made clear that the bonus Sasaki receives to sign will not be the determining factor. The most any team could theoretically offer is just more than $7.5 million that eight teams (the A’s, Brewers, Mariners, Marlins, Rays, Reds, Tigers, Twins) have in their '25 pools. "

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/roki-sasaki-free-agent-favorites

 

Why not then offer the maximum amount that is possible within the rules? If we then lose out we cannot blame Henry. But if they don't max out then you can bet I WILL blame Henry.

 

They can max out what the have available and it will still be less than the 8 teams you mentioned.

Also, are we giving Henry credit for missing out on Soto and Fried or not? I guess we shouldn't be too upset with ownership if they were willing to pay 700M this offseason, but got outbid. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

They can max out what the have available and it will still be less than the 8 teams you mentioned.

Also, are we giving Henry credit for missing out on Soto and Fried or not? I guess we shouldn't be too upset with ownership if they were willing to pay 700M this offseason, but got outbid. 

Seems like we're scrabbling together signs that they still care.

Keep 'em coming!

[Nick]

6 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Seems like we're scrabbling together signs that they still care.

Keep 'em coming!

I believe Moon suggested we may want to trade Crawford. 

The upside may be great for this newly formed rotation but I would caution against trading anyone at this point. No one has confirmed that Giolito will be ready to go on day 1. Too many fragile arms to worry about thinning out the ranks.

Based on innings pitched history along with lengthy injury report on this group, it would seem we should consider a six man rotation. That maybe what's coming down the load.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They can max out what the have available and it will still be less than the 8 teams you mentioned.

Also, are we giving Henry credit for missing out on Soto and Fried or not? I guess we shouldn't be too upset with ownership if they were willing to pay 700M this offseason, but got outbid. 

Ah still buying the illusion on Soto?🤭

[FredLynn]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They can max out what the have available and it will still be less than the 8 teams you mentioned.

Also, are we giving Henry credit for missing out on Soto and Fried or not? I guess we shouldn't be too upset with ownership if they were willing to pay 700M this offseason, but got outbid. 

They BID 700M knowing that it wouldn't be enough. Its a common tactic from this ownership.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, Nick said:

I believe Moon suggested we may want to trade Crawford. 

The upside may be great for this newly formed rotation but I would caution against trading anyone at this point. No one has confirmed that Giolito will be ready to go on day 1. Too many fragile arms to worry about thinning out the ranks.

Based on innings pitched history along with lengthy injury report on this group, it would seem we should consider a six man rotation. That maybe what's coming down the load.

I don't think they go with a six man rotation, but I bet it's something being discussed internally. I would not trade Crawford just because he doesn't have a current spot in the rotation. Anyone of the other 5 starters could go down at a moment's notice. Having him as insurance is huge for the club. 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

They BID 700M knowing that it wouldn't be enough. Its a common tactic from this ownership.

"They big 5.5M on Sasaki knowing it wouldn't be enough." 

It's the same argument, but you'd be ok with them missing out on Sasaki ONLY IF THEY MAX OUT THEIR IFA MONEY IN THEIR BID. 

[Tedballgame]

28 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They can max out what the have available and it will still be less than the 8 teams you mentioned.

Also, are we giving Henry credit for missing out on Soto and Fried or not? I guess we shouldn't be too upset with ownership if they were willing to pay 700M this offseason, but got outbid. 

Sasaki is signing with a west coast team. Probably the Dodgers. Red Sox have no chance.

 

 

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think they go with a six man rotation, but I bet it's something being discussed internally. I would not trade Crawford just because he doesn't have a current spot in the rotation. Anyone of the other 5 starters could go down at a moment's notice. Having him as insurance is huge for the club. 

sa

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Ah still buying the illusion on Soto?🤭

Ah still not understanding anything anyone else posts? 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

Sasaki is signing with a west coast team. Probably the Dodgers. Red Sox have no chance.

I think it will be the Padres, but the Sox have shown interest!

[FredLynn]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

"They big 5.5M on Sasaki knowing it wouldn't be enough." 

It's the same argument, but you'd be ok with them missing out on Sasaki ONLY IF THEY MAX OUT THEIR IFA MONEY IN THEIR BID. 

There seems to be a limit on how much we could bid for Sasaki. Was there such a limit on Soto?

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

There seems to be a limit on how much we could bid for Sasaki. Was there such a limit on Soto?

Cohen was always going to outbid the Sox. If the Sox bid 800M, the Mets would have gone higher. The Mets and Sox could duke it out all year for Soto while all the other FA's go elsewhere. Henry put a line in the sand at 700M (or two Mookie Betts contracts). Not sure how you can be even miffed at that. 

[dgalehouse]

I think some folks are just happy to be unhappy about everything. Complain about it all. It gets to be a habit. Sox fans get more like Yankee fans every day. That is not a good thing. Relax and lighten up a little bit. 

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Cohen was always going to outbid the Sox. If the Sox bid 800M, the Mets would have gone higher. The Mets and Sox could duke it out all year for Soto while all the other FA's go elsewhere. Henry put a line in the sand at 700M (or two Mookie Betts contracts). Not sure how you can be even miffed at that. 

You don't know how high Cohen would have gone. Neither do I. And we will now never find out. The point is not that we lost out on any single FA because of Henry's budget. Its that we seem to lose out on ALL of them over the last few years, and the results are easy to see in our many last place or just out of the playoff finishes. Henry hired Bloom to get the budget under control, and that is what he did. Claiming last year that they were going "full throttle" was a bald faced lie. At least they could admit that they are going to budget like a small market team rather than lie to the fans. Who was the last highly talented high priced FA we signed? Not traded for.....signed.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I think some folks are just happy to be unhappy about everything. Complain about it all. It gets to be a habit. Sox fans get more like Yankee fans every day. That is not a good thing. Relax and lighten up a little bit. 

I think that some fans are happy just to watch baseball regardless of whether or not your team stinks or is just mediocre. And thats fine. For me, I want to see a competitive team nearly every year,especially when I know the money is there to compete.

[Nick]

I am willing to give a pass on Soto situation. Mets were going to add few millions to whatever the highest bid was. It seemed very personal between the Mets and the Yankees.

My only hope was Soto looked at us kindly. When I heard no Yankee contacted Soto after the season put a thought on my head that Soto was going to the biggest contract offer, and that was always going to be the Mets.

[moonslav59]

Maybe one of these stabs in the dark on injury-recovering/recovered projects will eventually work, but I'm tired of looking at how great these guys used to be and dreaming they can come close, again.

The Sale saga took away all of that type of hope, and the timing of our Sale dump followed by a Cy Young year was the final nail in the coffin.

Sure, the Gio signing was supposed to break that mold, but he was never really a great pitcher, anyway.

[Nick]

I am coming around to our latest addition. One year deal. Our rotation, at least on paper, looks solid. 

For me the best thing was not giving up Casas with 4 years of team control for a pitcher that we had to pay $70M over 3 years. That to me seemed asinine. I'd much roll the dice and have him come back with good year, then do the Tamp Bay thing and trade him. Just not sure if we can keep both Devers and Casas if we want to improve our defense.

We possibly gave up much talent but Crochet costs us $3M this year. My hope is we extend him and buy out 2-4 years of free agency. 

We can sign Bregman and still stay under the cap. Just get it done.

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I think some folks are just happy to be unhappy about everything. Complain about it all. It gets to be a habit. Sox fans get more like Yankee fans every day. That is not a good thing. Relax and lighten up a little bit. 

Yup, wait for the Sox to actually start losing and everything falls off the rails before proclaiming the season over. They went over .500 last year and added at TOTR stud. They should be as good if not a little better regardless of losing the mid players that left town. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Maybe one of these stabs in the dark on injury-recovering/recovered projects will eventually work, but I'm tired of looking at how great these guys used to be and dreaming they can come close, again.

The Sale saga took away all of that type of hope, and the timing of our Sale dump followed by a Cy Young year was the final nail in the coffin.

Sure, the Gio signing was supposed to break that mold, but he was never really a great pitcher, anyway.

The Sale saga should show you that oft injured pitchers with great stuff in their past can pull out a CY season in the right environment. 

[Old Red]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Ah still not understanding anything anyone else posts? 

Still getting duped, and buying that old rotten cheese that JH keeps offering. If it makes you feel better that JH puts in offers that will never happen on the likes of the Yam Man, and Soto good for you.