Article: A Plea For The Red Sox To Sign Juan Soto

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

if we get Soto but not any quality additions to Pitching it will be a lost cause. Outfield is where we have our most depth

Agreed, a Soto signing would have to be coupled with a major trade for a pitcher, and then we could afford add another OF to the trade.

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

There’s literally no respectable argument for not signing Soto if you can

and then the Sox will be doomed to repeat their past failures.  

[Hugh2]

4 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

and then the Sox will be doomed to repeat their past failures.  

So the Sox shouldn’t sign Soto because they’ll make other mistakes,  so like……why not just not sign anyone then?

[Bellhorn04]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

So the Sox shouldn’t sign Soto because they’ll make other mistakes,  so like……why not just not sign anyone then?

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say Randy took it to the next level of complaint here.

If the Sox do somehow sign Soto it means they're goin' for it, which is what we want.  I trust that if they're committed enough to make this happen, they're committed enough to improve the pitching too.

   

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

29 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say Randy took it to the next level of complaint here.

If the Sox do somehow sign Soto it means they're goin' for it, which is what we want.  I trust that if they're committed enough to make this happen, they're committed enough to improve the pitching too.

   

Such commitment could already be a verbal agreement from the meeting, with maybe even some of Boras' other clients as targeted acquisitions.

Soto did ask about the team going forward and their player evaluation process.

I'm not saying promises to improve the pitching staff were made, but it's also doubtful AC said they could use openers and still win, as long as Juan's in the line-up every night.

[Hugh2]

41 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say Randy took it to the next level of complaint here.

If the Sox do somehow sign Soto it means they're goin' for it, which is what we want.  I trust that if they're committed enough to make this happen, they're committed enough to improve the pitching too.

   

First off. I completely agree with you.  If the Sox sign Soto there’s no way they’re done this offseason.

even then, even if they were, you can pass your a chance to sign Soto.  

[Hugh2]

It would be pretty cool if the Sox struck first with one of these pitchers.

that would excite the fan base, shut up the haters a little bit, improve the team, but also show Soto they’re serious about being a contender moving forward

[Randy Red Sox]

7 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say Randy took it to the next level of complaint here.

If the Sox do somehow sign Soto it means they're goin' for it, which is what we want.  I trust that if they're committed enough to make this happen, they're committed enough to improve the pitching too.

   

actually what I mean is that the Sox have tried build through their hitting while neglecting the pitching far too often. I was/am of the belief that the Sox have their MOST depth at the OF position and their LEAST depth in pitching.  With Anthony who is supposed to be a superstar in waiting almost ready is Soto really the most important guy to sign??  Now if the Sox were to sign Soto and trade for a Crochet or someone similar or else sign  Burnes then I'd be all in on Soto. I am almost certain it is a moot point anyway as I think he will stay in NY with either the Yankees or Mets.

[Hitch]

17 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

actually what I mean is that the Sox have tried build through their hitting while neglecting the pitching far too often. I was/am of the belief that the Sox have their MOST depth at the OF position and their LEAST depth in pitching.  With Anthony who is supposed to be a superstar in waiting almost ready is Soto really the most important guy to sign??  Now if the Sox were to sign Soto and trade for a Crochet or someone similar or else sign  Burnes then I'd be all in on Soto. I am almost certain it is a moot point anyway as I think he will stay in NY with either the Yankees or Mets.

If we add Soto (I agree - can't see the Mets being out bid), then we will deal from that outfield surplus and from the farm for pitching. 

 

You don't make this sort of move and then just sit there with a lopsided squad of players, deciding not to go for it. 

[Hugh2]

14 minutes ago, Hitch said:

If we add Soto (I agree - can't see the Mets being out bid), then we will deal from that outfield surplus and from the farm for pitching. 

 

You don't make this sort of move and then just sit there with a lopsided squad of players, deciding not to go for it. 

I think if we sign Soto it’s a sign they’re willing to expand the budget again for a few years.  I don’t think landing Soto takes them out of the market for pitchers.  If anything I believe it makes them more likely to go after pitching 

[Hitch]

17 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I think if we sign Soto it’s a sign they’re willing to expand the budget again for a few years.  I don’t think landing Soto takes them out of the market for pitchers.  If anything I believe it makes them more likely to go after pitching 

 Yes, agreed.

[Bellhorn04]

25 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I think if we sign Soto it’s a sign they’re willing to expand the budget again for a few years.  I don’t think landing Soto takes them out of the market for pitchers.  If anything I believe it makes them more likely to go after pitching 

And I think all that was surely part of the sales pitch to Soto.  

[Randy Red Sox]

On 11/15/2024 at 8:46 PM, moonslav59 said:

Agreed, a Soto signing would have to be coupled with a major trade for a pitcher, and then we could afford add another OF to the trade.

your guy Nick Martinez is staying with Reds for another year

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

your guy Nick Martinez is staying with Reds for another year

I dropped him from my list when the comp pick was attached.

[Randy Red Sox]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I dropped him from my list when the comp pick was attached.

Fair enough

[mvp 78]

On 11/15/2024 at 10:45 PM, Hugh2 said:

There’s literally no respectable argument for not signing Soto if you can

He will probably be paid 45M AAV. That's close to what his annual value is per FanGraphs now, but what about the last 7-8 years of the deal? Will he Albert Pujols? One injury and that contract is a freaking anchor. You could split that contract in half and get 2 really good starting pitchers for it that could give you more value. 

[Bellhorn04]

32 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He will probably be paid 45M AAV. That's close to what his annual value is per FanGraphs now, but what about the last 7-8 years of the deal? Will he Albert Pujols? One injury and that contract is a freaking anchor. You could split that contract in half and get 2 really good starting pitchers for it that could give you more value. 

Yeah, there's no such thing as a slam-dunk great signing.  The risk is ridiculous when you're guaranteeing a baseball player $600 mill or so before he even puts your uniform on.

 

[mvp 78]

36 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Yeah, there's no such thing as a slam-dunk great signing.  The risk is ridiculous when you're guaranteeing a baseball player $600 mill or so before he even puts your uniform on.

 

It's not my money so it's really easy for me to bang the drum on signing him for 3/4's of a BILLION dollars. For a guy that's not even as good as Mookie!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not my money so it's really easy for me to bang the drum on signing him for 3/4's of a BILLION dollars. For a guy that's not even as good as Mookie!

Except that Mookie was here -- and wanted to stay here. He must have expected to agree on some extension in Boston, since he and his wife were house-hunting the same winter he got traded.

But we only have HIS word to go on -- unlike reporters and agents blabbing about Soto.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Except that Mookie was here -- and wanted to stay here. He must have expected to agree on some extension in Boston, since he and his wife were house-hunting the same winter he got traded.

But we only have HIS word to go on -- unlike reporters and agents blabbing about Soto.

Mookie was the biggest screw up this team has had in many decades. They couldn't have bungled that worse. 

[Hugh2]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2jQ9Ey2ygaKAwFYG8kstbM?si=UN5ELHGjS0qy1MqGuoDicg

[Hugh2]

My favorite part is when they go off on all the dumb reasons to not want Soto here. 

[Hugh2]

Ohtani

Judge

Harper

Corey Seager

Yamamoto

Gerrit Cole

Manny Machado

 

Biggest contracts ever, how many of those look horrible right now?

Also, you forget, Soto is 25, he's just not a guy who's going to put up insane numbers but he's at the beginning of his prime. Also, he's marketable, you make money just from his name.  

Sox should be all in on Soto, don't talk yourselves out of it, don't overthink.  He's Juan freaking Soto. 

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

My favorite part is when they go off on all the dumb reasons to not want Soto here. 

I haven't listened to that one yet. Listened to last week's SoxProspect's podcast this morning. 

[Hugh2]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I haven't listened to that one yet. Listened to last week's SoxProspect's podcast this morning. 

soxprospects has been pumping them out lately.  

One reason I'm in on Soto, is I believe if you sign Soto, you're going big again and pitchers are going to be added as well.  I also think you can easily put an opt out in his contract (I'm sure Boras will insist) and there's a good chance you're only paying for his age 26-30, 26-31 years anyways. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Ohtani

Judge

Harper

Corey Seager

Yamamoto

Gerrit Cole

Manny Machado

 

Biggest contracts ever, how many of those look horrible right now?

Also, you forget, Soto is 25, he's just not a guy who's going to put up insane numbers but he's at the beginning of his prime. Also, he's marketable, you make money just from his name.  

Sox should be all in on Soto, don't talk yourselves out of it, don't overthink.  He's Juan freaking Soto. 

Mike Trout 426M

Stanton 324M

Xander 280M

Arenado 260M

So an 80% hit rate? Remains to be seen for some of the other guys though. That hit rate could drop a little. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

soxprospects has been pumping them out lately.  

One reason I'm in on Soto, is I believe if you sign Soto, you're going big again and pitchers are going to be added as well.  I also think you can easily put an opt out in his contract (I'm sure Boras will insist) and there's a good chance you're only paying for his age 26-30, 26-31 years anyways. 

They were building Soto up on a SUPER TEAM that included Vlad Jr. They trading Casas or eating Masa's contract? 

[Hugh2]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Mike Trout 426M

Stanton 324M

Xander 280M

Arenado 260M

So an 80% hit rate? Remains to be seen for some of the other guys though. That hit rate could drop a little. 

Also, not sure sure I would call Arenando a bad contract just yet. Giancarlo yes, Bogaerts doesn't even belong on that list honestly, Padres are just insane. 

Also, how many of those guys signed an extension starting on their age 26 season? Yeah, I know Stanton is one of them but remember he was an injury concern AT the time, Soto is not. 

[Hugh2]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They were building Soto up on a SUPER TEAM that included Vlad Jr. They trading Casas or eating Masa's contract? 

They're trading Abreu more likely.  Why does Casas have to go if Soto is signed?

[Hugh2]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They were building Soto up on a SUPER TEAM that included Vlad Jr. They trading Casas or eating Masa's contract? 

Or go up, could probably make it go either way depending on how many names we put on there, Soto is going near the top so I don't think we can dilute it that much.