Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i'm actually expecting the idiots in our FO to claim him.

Is he any worse than Penrod, Weissert, I Campbell, Wilson and a few other guys that might get 30+ IP in 2025?

(I don't want him.)

[Bellhorn04]

2 hours ago, harmony said:

With Max Scherzer reportedly signing with Toronto, the Blue Jays have slipped past the Red Sox in FanGraphs' projected 2025 WAR:

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=14

The Red Sox rank ninth in the American League in projected 2025 WAR (and a close last in the AL East).

Good.  Well deserved.

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I can't see thinking TOR is better.

It's just data and formulas. 

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

It's just data and formulas. 

Yes, I get that, but I'd consider posting my first bet in over 40 years on the Sox finishing ahead of the Jays in '25.

The Jays have been active- no doubt. They lost Dillon Tate, Ryan Yarbrough, Jordan Romano and Spencer Horwitz and gained:

Santander

Hoffman

Scherzer

Yimi Garcia, Andres Gimenez, Nick Sandlin, Josh Walker & Miles Straw.

The Sox lost Jansen, Pivetta, O'Neill, Martin & quite a few additions by subtractions.

We added:

Crochet

Buehler

Sandoval

Chapman

Wilson, Narvaez, Moran and have a bunch of players returning from injury, including Giolito & Hendriks (0IP in '24) and Whitlock, Story, Casas and others.

We lost more than they did, but our gains look way better, to me. (I'm sure they have returning injured players, too, but ours seem more promising and significant. (Maybe I'm wrong.)

[Randy Red Sox]

4 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

Dodgers just DFA'd Braiser.

he would come cheap on the much liked Red Sox 1 yr deal so consider him a favourite to land back in Boston along with Rich Hill

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

5 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

he would come cheap on the much liked Red Sox 1 yr deal so consider him a favourite to land back in Boston along with Rich Hill

Once, in social studies, a student asked, "Why do we always have to study the past?"

Teacher: "Because we can't study the future."

I think the Red Sox front office was sitting in the back of that classroom.

Man, I'm really looking backward to the past.

[moonslav59]

6 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

he would come cheap on the much liked Red Sox 1 yr deal so consider him a favourite to land back in Boston along with Rich Hill

Nope to both. (My opinion and my expectation)

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Is he any worse than Penrod, Weissert, I Campbell, Wilson and a few other guys that might get 30+ IP in 2025?

(I don't want him.)

He's worse than Penrod, Weissert and Campbell since he doesn't have any options remaining. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

He's worse than Penrod, Weissert and Campbell since he doesn't have any options remaining. 

He won't be signing a minor league deal, either.

[Hugh2]

At this point, I think if someone like Braiser was signed, it probably happens later in the spring when they can add someone to the il to make room for him on the 40. 

 

 

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

At this point, I think if someone like Braiser was signed, it probably happens later in the spring when they can add someone to the il to make room for him on the 40. 

 

 

You can't place a player on the 60 Day IL, until opening day.

[Hugh2]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You can't place a player on the 60 Day IL, until opening day.

That's what I'm saying.  Do we have any candidates? Sandoval, Perales, Chris Murphy? I wonder if I'm forgetting anyone.  So there will be a few 40 man spots open up by the beginning of the season. 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You can't place a player on the 60 Day IL, until opening day.

BZZZZZZTTTT...

02/20/24    Boston Red Sox placed RHP Liam Hendriks on the 60-day injured list. Right UCL surgery.

[moonslav59]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

BZZZZZZTTTT...

02/20/24    Boston Red Sox placed RHP Liam Hendriks on the 60-day injured list. Right UCL surgery.

Really? I could have sworn teams could not do this. Why don't we do it, now, instead of trading guys like Shugart and Booser to make room for new players?

I think Sandoval is a lock for the 60 day. Maybe Murphy could be added.

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Really? I could have sworn teams could not do this. Why don't we do it, now, instead of trading guys like Shugart and Booser to make room for new players?

I think Sandoval is a lock for the 60 day. Maybe Murphy could be added.

Pitchers and Catcher haven't reported yet. They can't do it until then. 

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Pitchers and Catcher haven't reported yet. They can't do it until then. 

Holy crap, you really do know a lot of this arcane stuff. 😄 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Holy crap, you really do know a lot of this arcane stuff. 😄 

Am probably as accurate as OpenAI, so always do your own dang research folx!

For this one, I was pretty sure it was during Sping Traning and double checked with multiple reports online that all listed pitchers and catchers reporting date as the first eligible day for 60 day IL. Unfortunately, mlb.com doesn't make it clear anywhere and I wasn't going to go through the collective bargaining agreement again. 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Pitchers and Catcher haven't reported yet. They can't do it until then. 

I googled it, and it say a player can be added, at any time.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I googled it, and it say a player can be added, at any time.

Stop relying on AI, bud. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/players-that-could-move-to-the-60-day-il-once-spring-training-begins-2.html

Some extra roster flexibility is on the way, as the 60-day injured list comes back when pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training.

It’s worth pointing out that the “60 days” don’t start being counted until Opening Day. Although a team can transfer a player to the 60-day IL quite soon, they will likely only do so if they aren’t expecting the player back until end of May or later. Transferring a player to the 60-day IL also requires a corresponding move, so a club can’t just make the move in isolation.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/why-isnt-the-60-day-dl-year-round/

At the end of every season, players on the 60-day DL get activated. As a consequence, they occupy spots on 40-man rosters. And then around the start of every spring training, players get placed on the 60-day DL, as it’s again made available.

But for one thing, just on principle, it seems weird that the 60-day DL isn’t year-round.

[Hugh2]

12 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I googled it, and it say a player can be added, at any time.

There's no IL during the offseason.  There's a reason why guys like Luis Perales and Patrick Sandoval are on the 40 man right now. 

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Stop relying on AI, bud. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/players-that-could-move-to-the-60-day-il-once-spring-training-begins-2.html

Some extra roster flexibility is on the way, as the 60-day injured list comes back when pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training.

It’s worth pointing out that the “60 days” don’t start being counted until Opening Day. Although a team can transfer a player to the 60-day IL quite soon, they will likely only do so if they aren’t expecting the player back until end of May or later. Transferring a player to the 60-day IL also requires a corresponding move, so a club can’t just make the move in isolation.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/why-isnt-the-60-day-dl-year-round/

At the end of every season, players on the 60-day DL get activated. As a consequence, they occupy spots on 40-man rosters. And then around the start of every spring training, players get placed on the 60-day DL, as it’s again made available.

But for one thing, just on principle, it seems weird that the 60-day DL isn’t year-round.

"around the start of ST'ing" sounds vague.

Clearly, they need to be on the 40 during Rule 5.

It's good to know that we could sign Grichuk or Robertson/jansen during ST'ing and not have to DFA someone. 

[mvp 78]

If King is available from the Pads, as per reports, shouldn't the Sox try to get him? 

[notin]

15 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

It's just data and formulas. 

And witchcraft…

[notin]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If King is available from the Pads, as per reports, shouldn't the Sox try to get him? 

Can he hit LHP?

[notin]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Stop relying on AI, bud. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/players-that-could-move-to-the-60-day-il-once-spring-training-begins-2.html

Some extra roster flexibility is on the way, as the 60-day injured list comes back when pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training.

It’s worth pointing out that the “60 days” don’t start being counted until Opening Day. Although a team can transfer a player to the 60-day IL quite soon, they will likely only do so if they aren’t expecting the player back until end of May or later. Transferring a player to the 60-day IL also requires a corresponding move, so a club can’t just make the move in isolation.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/why-isnt-the-60-day-dl-year-round/

At the end of every season, players on the 60-day DL get activated. As a consequence, they occupy spots on 40-man rosters. And then around the start of every spring training, players get placed on the 60-day DL, as it’s again made available.

But for one thing, just on principle, it seems weird that the 60-day DL isn’t year-round.

The Sox should be moving 3 pitchers (Sandoval, Perales, and Murphy).  I still think they add Fulmer then, since they aren’t paying him all that money to hang out in Worcester, gorging himself at The Sole Proprietor.  They might reserve a spot for K Campbell and see if he wins a job in ST.  That still leaves one spot.

At some point, they will need to add some position depth to the 40 man.  As of today, they have 16 position players on it.  With 13 position players expected on the opening day roster, their only accessible position depth players are Sogard, Jhostnyxon, and Blake Sabol.  And Sabol’s usefulness is in question…

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

The Sox should be moving 3 pitchers (Sandoval, Perales, and Murphy).  I still think they add Fulmer then, since they aren’t paying him all that money to hang out in Worcester, gorging himself at The Sole Proprietor.  They might reserve a spot for K Campbell and see if he wins a job in ST.  That still leaves one spot.

At some point, they will need to add some position depth to the 40 man.  As of today, they have 16 position players on it.  With 13 position players expected on the opening day roster, their only accessible position depth players are Sogard, Jhostnyxon, and Blake Sabol.  And Sabol’s usefulness is in question…

It's an MiLB deal at 1.5M. It's not an astounding amount of $ to keep in WOO. They said they want to stretch him out. If so, he may be in WOO for a little bit. 

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, notin said:

Can he hit LHP?

A LHP has never struck him out since he became a pro. 

[notin]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's an MiLB deal at 1.5M. It's not an astounding amount of $ to keep in WOO. They said they want to stretch him out. If so, he may be in WOO for a little bit. 

You’re pretty casual with someone else’s money.  I suspect you have a vested interest in The Sole Proprietor…

[moonslav59]

I think we'll add Campbell, who will be our starting 2B on opening day, Nate Eaton (if not Anthony to the 26) and Sykes. 

I think we holf off adding any pitchers to the 40, until we've cycled through 15 or more.

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think we'll add Campbell, who will be our starting 2B on opening day, Nate Eaton (if not Anthony to the 26) and Sykes. 

I think we holf off adding any pitchers to the 40, until we've cycled through 15 or more.

I mean, there's no reason to add Eaton until he actually needs to be up with the Sox. He spent all of last season in AAA. Why would they add Sikes who only has 3 games above AA? 

It would be weird to 60 man a bunch of pitchers and replace them with hitters anyway. Fulmer seems more likely. Maybe Isaiah Campbell too.