Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Boras thinks he redeemed himself with the Soto contract.  But Soto would of gotten anyone paid.  I don't think the players necessarily deserve this but it would be nice to see Boras fall on his face at the end of the offseason yet again. 

Yeah, I agree. He's the biggest (and loudest) advocate against a signing window in the winter too.

Which I can't help but feel the sport would benefit hugely from, by having everyone's eyes on it during that period. Not to mention it would be fun! 

The downside of course is that we as a fan base would have a lot more time to then be furious with our ownership.

[Bellhorn04]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Boras thinks he redeemed himself with the Soto contract.  But Soto would of gotten anyone paid.  I don't think the players necessarily deserve this but it would be nice to see Boras fall on his face at the end of the offseason yet again. 

But he still keeps getting hired by most of the big names. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I will assume that he signs a deal before then. At worst, he should re-sign with the Sox as a reliever on a one year deal.

At $15-21M?

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

At $15-21M?

Sure? Maybe he wants to hold out and see if a pitcher goes down with an injury and someone else gives him a deal? IDK? 

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Yeah, I agree. He's the biggest (and loudest) advocate against a signing window in the winter too.

Which I can't help but feel the sport would benefit hugely from, by having everyone's eyes on it during that period. Not to mention it would be fun! 

The downside of course is that we as a fan base would have a lot more time to then be furious with our ownership.

We already do that from Thanksgiving on anyway. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Sure? Maybe he wants to hold out and see if a pitcher goes down with an injury and someone else gives him a deal? IDK? 

I can't see the Sox paying him that much, even for the much-prized 1 year deal.

We passed on...

$18 x 4 Scott

$13 x 3 Holmes

$11 x 3 Hoffman

$11 x 2 Estevez & Minter

$13M x 1 Yates

$7.5M x 2 Y Garcia

He might be better than some of these guys, but $15M to $21M?

 

[mvp 78]

36 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I can't see the Sox paying him that much, even for the much-prized 1 year deal.

We passed on...

$18 x 4 Scott

$13 x 3 Holmes

$11 x 3 Hoffman

$11 x 2 Estevez & Minter

$13M x 1 Yates

$7.5M x 2 Y Garcia

He might be better than some of these guys, but $15M to $21M?

 

Yates is older and can't start if there's an injury. All the others are multi-year deals. 

[moonslav59]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yates is older and can't start if there's an injury. All the others are multi-year deals. 

Well, if Pivetta gets $21.1M/1, that's about the same as Estevez and Minter got for 2 years.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Well, if Pivetta gets $21.1M/1, that's about the same as Estevez and Minter got for 2 years.

They can't start if someone goes down.

[Hitch]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

We already do that from Thanksgiving on anyway. 

I like to think the fanbase can be counted on to come in earlier than that. 

I see the fanbase in general as the embodiment of the Bastards of Boston podcast. 

[Hitch]

20 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

So, July 13th.

While I hope (and expect) we get our pick for Pivetta, I wouldn't be against him coming back on a reasonable contract as long as it is solely in the bullpen. 

[mvp 78]

50 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I like to think the fanbase can be counted on to come in earlier than that. 

I see the fanbase in general as the embodiment of the Bastards of Boston podcast. 

Nope. Definitely not. 

[notin]

6 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

At $15-21M?

That’s the rate if he becomes one of those lockdown closers….

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

That’s the rate if he becomes one of those lockdown closers….

Jansen got $16m x 2, so yes.

[Larry Cook]

Is there a better agent out there than boras???

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Is there a better agent out there than boras???

Several, probably.

[moonslav59]

Moncada to LAA at $5M/1

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Several, probably.

Agents better than Boras: Brian Epstein, Maxwell Smart, Illya Kuryakin... Emma Peel, 99, Mata Hari.

Not Orange.

[Bellhorn04]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Several, probably.

No comps.

The big name players obviously still favor him, but these last 2 offseasons might raise a few doubts.

[Bellhorn04]

10 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Agents better than Boras: Brian Epstein, Maxwell Smart, Illya Kuryakin... Emma Peel, 99, Mata Hari.

Not Orange.

Where's JB???!!!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

28 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Where's JB???!!!

Notice I didn't list Jerry McGuire.

Brez needs Miles from Risky Business whispering in his ear. Every now and then, just say...

[moonslav59]

38 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

No comps.

The big name players obviously still favor him, but these last 2 offseasons might raise a few doubts.

Having the most players as clients does not make you the "best," and what determines who is the "best?"

Maxing dollars? (How do we know he got more than someone else might have gotten?)

Getting the client what he wants? (I see countless examples where his clients seemed to get screwed while he attempted to max out their take.)

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Notice I didn't list Jerry McGuire.

Brez needs Miles from Risky Business whispering in his ear. Every now and then, just say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LdTe2EbrLk

[Bellhorn04]

15 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Having the most players as clients does not make you the "best," and what determines who is the "best?"

Maxing dollars? (How do we know he got more than someone else might have gotten?)

Getting the client what he wants? (I see countless examples where his clients seemed to get screwed while he attempted to max out their take.)

Boras has the biggest clients, biggest contracts, biggest commissions.  He's the undisputed #1.

Evaluating and comparing skills of player agents?  LOL, not even I will venture into that rabbit hole.

[moonslav59]

40 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Boras has the biggest clients, biggest contracts, biggest commissions.  He's the undisputed #1.

Evaluating and comparing skills of player agents?  LOL, not even I will venture into that rabbit hole.

Undisputed by you and probably many others- not me.

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Undisputed by you and probably many others- not me.

OK, so who's better and why?  The onus is on you to support your case.

[notin]

3 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Agents better than Boras: Brian Epstein, Maxwell Smart, Illya Kuryakin... Emma Peel, 99, Mata Hari.

Not Orange.

Sterling Archer!

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, notin said:

Sterling Archer!

Has to be JB, man.  In the first 4 movies, at least.  After that things got a little inconsistent.

[notin]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Boras has the biggest clients, biggest contracts, biggest commissions.  He's the undisputed #1.

Evaluating and comparing skills of player agents?  LOL, not even I will venture into that rabbit hole.

Boras is the Vladimir Putin of athletes’ representation!

[Bellhorn04]

Hardly anyone can even name other player agents - I mean real names of individuals, not names of agencies - without running to Google.