Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Resignings and extensions don’t need to wait for the deadline.  Wacha already signed his.

Outside of 1 or 2 (maybe) big names, MLB free agency usually goes nowhere at least until after the Rule 5 draft.  And quite often lately the a couple of the bigger names are still unsigned when the calendar flips to March…

The Boras Four will attest to the last part.  But it didn't seem to work out very well...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

59 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't want Sam signing anyone, personally. 

Sam can't help signing, because there are puppet strings attached from his jaw to his hands -- every time he opens his mouth, his index and middle fingers cross.

[mvp 78]

52 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Me either, but I have a feeling the dude is heavily involved...

 

Hard to say what anyone's involvement is. I know that he was in meetings and it infuriated DD. I don't think he's signing guys, but I think he's basically the go between between FO and ownership (aka Henry). 

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Hard to say what anyone's involvement is. I know that he was in meetings and it infuriated DD. I don't think he's signing guys, but I think he's basically the go between between FO and ownership (aka Henry). 

This seems most likely. He's obviously going to be involved to a degree, and impossible to judge how good/bad that is,

[Hugh2]

I think Theo is going to have his hands involved in more areas where ownership has in the past. 

[mvp 78]

35 minutes ago, Hitch said:

This seems most likely. He's obviously going to be involved to a degree, and impossible to judge how good/bad that is,

He would just get in the way IMO. Theo is around in some capacity to help Brez massage the message to ownership and be the Henry whisperer. IDK. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

I think Theo is going to have his hands involved in more areas where ownership has in the past. 

That's not what he was originally brought in to do though which was to be Sam Kennedy, but with actual sports experience. He was supposed to be for all FSG properties as a senior adviser including SOCCER, hockey, racing and golf. 

[mvp 78]

 

[Hitch]

I'd completely forgot about Theo being back. 

 

No brainer on exercising that option. 

 

The QO's will be interesting. I personally wouldn't offer any out, but O'Neil might get one.

[notin]

7 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I'd completely forgot about Theo being back. 

 

No brainer on exercising that option. 

 

The QO's will be interesting. I personally wouldn't offer any out, but O'Neil might get one.

I’m OK with O’Neill getting a QO.  The combination of his skill set, his health, and a one year deal is ideal for breaking in Roman Anthony…

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

I’m OK with O’Neill getting a QO.  The combination of his skill set, his health, and a one year deal is ideal for breaking in Roman Anthony…

I don't think he's worth it. He's DH only IMO. They already have Masa on the roster. Too much $$$ to wrap up in a nondefensive position. 

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think he's worth it. He's DH only IMO. They already have Masa on the roster. Too much $$$ to wrap up in a nondefensive position. 

This is my take, too. 

20 mil is a big chunk out of what we need to be spend on pitching. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The Boras Four will attest to the last part.  But it didn't seem to work out very well...

Trevor Story can attest as well…

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Me either, but I have a feeling the dude is heavily involved...

 

Range: 18th percentile

Arm Value: 51st percentile

Fielding Run Value: 24th percentile

He was good a few years ago, but not really comparable to others on the roster right now. 

[notin]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think he's worth it. He's DH only IMO. They already have Masa on the roster. Too much $$$ to wrap up in a nondefensive position. 

O’Neill’s defensive metrics absolutely do NOT indicate he’s a DH only.  Last year, they didn’t scream “two time Gold Glove winner,” but they were far from taking away his leather…

[notin]

17 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Range: 18th percentile

Arm Value: 51st percentile

Fielding Run Value: 24th percentile

He was good a few years ago, but not really comparable to others on the roster right now. 

Positive DRS and UZR.  Negative OAA (-4).  
 

He’s been better, but it’s also one year. And a QO only means one more…

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Positive DRS and UZR.  Negative OAA (-4).  
 

He’s been better, but it’s also one year. And a QO only means one more…

If you don't plan on going over the luxury tax O'Neill takes up 1/3 of your offseason budget and you're still down a starter and a reliever before you even consider you need pitching. 

No way in heck O'Neill gets a Q.O. 

[Hugh2]

If the Sox didn't care about blowing past the luxury tax limit next year I wouldn't be shocked with one of these guys getting a Q.O. 

 

But they both accept, and if O'Neill accepts, then you're budget is down to  APX $40 million with massive holes in your rotation and your bullpen. 

Q.O. is going to be about $21 million.  With a crowded outfield the team should be all in on pitching. 

 

 

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Positive DRS and UZR.  Negative OAA (-4).  
 

He’s been better, but it’s also one year. And a QO only means one more…

I'm not wasting 20M on a guy whose defense is declining dramatically every year and who will be behind Rafaela, Duran, Abreu, Anthony and maybe others. I don't care that he has a RHB. A platoon bat would only get 150 PA against LHP at best. Not worth it!

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

If the Sox didn't care about blowing past the luxury tax limit next year I wouldn't be shocked with one of these guys getting a Q.O. 

 

But they both accept, and if O'Neill accepts, then you're budget is down to  APX $40 million with massive holes in your rotation and your bullpen. 

Q.O. is going to be about $21 million.  With a crowded outfield the team should be all in on pitching. 

 

 

It's bad resource management. Agreed!

[notin]

31 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Range: 18th percentile

Arm Value: 51st percentile

Fielding Run Value: 24th percentile

He was good a few years ago, but not really comparable to others on the roster right now. 

Where are you looking or what am I doing wrong?

I see different values, particularly Arm Strength…

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tyler-o-neill-641933?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

[notin]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

If the Sox didn't care about blowing past the luxury tax limit next year I wouldn't be shocked with one of these guys getting a Q.O. 

 

But they both accept, and if O'Neill accepts, then you're budget is down to  APX $40 million with massive holes in your rotation and your bullpen. 

Q.O. is going to be about $21 million.  With a crowded outfield the team should be all in on pitching. 

 

 

Everyone says that every year.  This team needs pitching, pitching, pitching and should only spend on pitching.

And it never happens that way.

i think O’Neill is 50/50 to get a QO.  The Sox have reportedly talked extension.  And free agency isn’t the only way to get pitching…

[notin]

10 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

If the Sox didn't care about blowing past the luxury tax limit next year I wouldn't be shocked with one of these guys getting a Q.O. 

 

But they both accept, and if O'Neill accepts, then you're budget is down to  APX $40 million with massive holes in your rotation and your bullpen. 

Q.O. is going to be about $21 million.  With a crowded outfield the team should be all in on pitching. 

 

 

Both?  Who is the other player allegedly getting a QO?

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Everyone says that every year.  This team needs pitching, pitching, pitching and should only spend on pitching.

And it never happens that way.

i think O’Neill is 50/50 to get a QO.  The Sox have reportedly talked extension.  And free agency isn’t the only way to get pitching…

50/50? no way jose he gets a QO.  I'd be insanely surprised if he gets one.  I'd bet my first born son on that. 

I'd pay O'Neill $21 for two years, not 1.  Refsnyder already was picked up so there's you righty bat.  Anthony mashes Lefty's, and the lineup is gaining Story back and another righty in Campbell next year. 

Yes, I'd still like more proven RHH, but not at the expensive of not buying pitching for a guy who struggles to play even a 100 games. 

He ain't getting QO'd

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Both?  Who is the other player allegedly getting a QO?

The two players talked about have been Pivetta and O'Neill.

I'm not, nor is really anyone else, talking about them actually getting one. 

[notin]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'm not wasting 20M on a guy whose defense is declining dramatically every year and who will be behind Rafaela, Duran, Abreu, Anthony and maybe others. I don't care that he has a RHB. A platoon bat would only get 150 PA against LHP at best. Not worth it!

I would imagine that if O’Neill accepts his QO, that not all of Duran, Rafaela and Abreu would return next season. 
 

Also, I certainly could see O’Neill accepting, but it might not be a given.  He is only 29 and coming off his second best season of his career.  He might view this as his best chance to land multiple years…

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

Where are you looking or what am I doing wrong?

I see different values, particularly Arm Strength…

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tyler-o-neill-641933?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

Arm Value, not Arm Strength, you silly goose. He's 82nd in Arm Strength, but it's clearly not going where he wants it to go. 

[notin]

7 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

The two players talked about have been Pivetta and O'Neill.

I'm not, nor is really anyone else, talking about them actually getting one. 

Pivetta would shock me.   
 

O’Neill.  Nearly every media outlet - including the ones that are usually right - is predicting Boston gives him one.  Breslow has talked about an extension as well, and if so, a QO might make sense as a way of keeping other teams out of the talks…

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

I would imagine that if O’Neill accepts his QO, that not all of Duran, Rafaela and Abreu would return next season. 
 

Also, I certainly could see O’Neill accepting, but it might not be a given.  He is only 29 and coming off his second best season of his career.  He might view this as his best chance to land multiple years…

You'd trade Duran, Rafaela or Abreu simply because you get one more year of O'Neill? Huh? 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Pivetta would shock me.   
 

O’Neill.  Nearly every media outlet - including the ones that are usually right - is predicting Boston gives him one.  Breslow has talked about an extension as well, and if so, a QO might make sense as a way of keeping other teams out of the talks…

An extension would make more sense than a QO, but I think he's out of here.