A Realistic View at 2024: Part III

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That's a great way to absolutey destroy someones development.

 

If things are so bad, you're considering calling up an 18 year old prospect in A ball, then that's probably more reason why you SHOULDN'T call up the 18 year old in A ball.

 

Right? How can a professional baseball player possibly play professional baseball professionally on the same size diamond under the same rules in ballparks he doesn't have to travel to on bumpy bus rides with no air conditioning, without eating only fastfood!

[Hugh2]

He only looks solid because of how horrible the SS defense has been the past few years. Once the Sox get a decent defensive SS, nobody will want Rafaela there again.

 

I want Rafaela in CF, but he was much better at SS after his first few weeks there. I also don't mind postional versatility, but yes I'd much rather have Story/Mayer there in 2025.

[mvp 78]

Right? How can a professional baseball player possibly play professional baseball professionally on the same size diamond under the same rules in ballparks he doesn't have to travel to on bumpy bus rides with no air conditioning, without eating only fastfood!

 

Now batting Franklin Arias Mr 400 OPS.

 

I'm pretty sure Salem's bus has air conditioning and the catering is fairly decent now. It's not the 1970's.

[Hugh2]

Right? How can a professional baseball player possibly play professional baseball professionally on the same size diamond under the same rules in ballparks he doesn't have to travel to on bumpy bus rides with no air conditioning, without eating only fastfood!

 

 

He's literally only 70 at bats out of a complex league playing with a bunch of teenagers.

 

This is literally the perfect plan to absolutely destroy someones development.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Now batting Franklin Arias Mr 400 OPS.

 

I'm pretty sure Salem's bus has air conditioning and the catering is fairly decent now. It's not the 1970's.

 

But have you seen the groupies in A ball?

 

Btw, this exchange was only about bringing up a glove-first SS. If a guy is the highest rated fielder in the system at a position, he can probably play D on the best-groomed diamonds under the best-lit parks in the country. Sox fans have seen a few inferior defenders called up to the majors in the past couple years who can't...

[mvp 78]

He's literally only 70 at bats out of a complex league playing with a bunch of teenagers.

 

This is literally the perfect plan to absolutely destroy someones development.

 

And if you really like the guy, why start his MLB clock before he can really handle MLB pitching?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He's literally only 70 at bats out of a complex league playing with a bunch of teenagers.

 

This is literally the perfect plan to absolutely destroy someones development.

 

He's not removing a cancerous tumor from someone's vital organs. He's playing a game.

[mvp 78]

But have you seen the groupies in A ball?

 

Btw, this exchange was only about bringing up a glove-first SS. If a guy is the highest rated fielder in the system at a position, he can probably play D on the best-groomed diamonds under the best-lit parks in the country. Sox fans have seen a few inferior defenders called up to the majors in the past couple years who can't...

 

So then you add a guy to the 40 man that you can't take off without DFAing no matter how poor his bat is. Eventually you burn through his option years and by the time he's 23 he'll need to be MLB ready or you'll have to release him.

[mvp 78]

He's not removing a cancerous tumor from someone's vital organs. He's playing a game.

 

Some people on here treat each regular season game like it's more important than that surgery.

[Hugh2]

And if you really like the guy, why start his MLB clock before he can really handle MLB pitching?

 

Then you're going to have to carry him on the 40 man and burn all his option years before he's MLB ready. Or what? carry a defensive SS who his OPS .400

 

Also, just because he has the makings of an above average defender DOESN'T mean he doesn't have anything to work on defensively, he's certainly not a finished product by any means.

 

And it's also still not 100% out of the question that he has to move to 2nd, thought he he can probably stick at short.

 

He has a 60 grade on his defense, so he's good but not elite there.

 

Has anyone ever jumped to the majors from low A after only spending 20 games out of the complex league???

[Hugh2]

He's not removing a cancerous tumor from someone's vital organs. He's playing a game.

 

You make it sound like no big deal....yet no one does this? why?

[mvp 78]

Hendriks to rehab in WOO on Sunday.

[mvp 78]

You make it sound like no big deal....yet no one does this? why?

 

The Angels do it with some of their guys. I'm not sure anyone wants to be like the Angels though.

[Bellhorn04]

He's not removing a cancerous tumor from someone's vital organs. He's playing a game.

 

A really freaking hard game.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You make it sound like no big deal....yet no one does this? why?

 

Come on, why. Because this is a forum when fans blab about their baseball team. And as for young guys, this is a discussion that comes up every year -- and the likes of Robin Yount, who started at shortstop in the majors at 18, and made the Hall of Fame... or Al Kaline, who never played a day in the minors, and also made it to Cooperstown.

 

I don't know how good Arias is or can be, but if he's a better SS than Mayer (reporters whose job it is to cover prospects are already speculating he may play another position) then it makes it easier for the Red Sox to make a blockbuster trade soon for PITCHING... because all threads come back to the same point: this team is always going to stink or fall short or go nowhere, until it pays somehow for legitimate pitching.

[Hugh2]

The Angels do it with some of their guys. I'm not sure anyone wants to be like the Angels though.

 

 

Yeah, but have they ever done it with an 18 year old a month out of the complex league?

 

Even half as extreme measures often end badly.

[Hugh2]

Come on, why. Because this is a forum when fans blab about their baseball team. And as for young guys, this is a discussion that comes up every year -- and the likes of Robin Yount, who started at shortstop in the majors at 18, and made the Hall of Fame... or Al Kaline, who never played a day in the minors, and also made it to Cooperstown.

 

I don't know how good Arias is or can be, but if he's a better SS than Mayer (reporters whose job it is to cover prospects are already speculating he may play another position) then it makes it easier for the Red Sox to make a blockbuster trade soon for PITCHING... because all threads come back to the same point: this team is always going to stink or fall short or go nowhere, until it pays somehow for legitimate pitching.

 

You don't have to bring an 18 year old up, jump him ahead FOUR levels, burn a 40 man spot and screw up his development to go out and trade for pitching. Especially when you have a top prospect in the game who should be ready next season. Probably could play now if they really wanted him too.

[mvp 78]

Come on, why. Because this is a forum when fans blab about their baseball team. And as for young guys, this is a discussion that comes up every year -- and the likes of Robin Yount, who started at shortstop in the majors at 18, and made the Hall of Fame... or Al Kaline, who never played a day in the minors, and also made it to Cooperstown.

 

I don't know how good Arias is or can be, but if he's a better SS than Mayer (reporters whose job it is to cover prospects are already speculating he may play another position) then it makes it easier for the Red Sox to make a blockbuster trade soon for PITCHING... because all threads come back to the same point: this team is always going to stink or fall short or go nowhere, until it pays somehow for legitimate pitching.

 

Some scouts like him a lot, some scouts are very dubious on his hitting potential. Therefore, he doesn't have Yount or Kaline's ceiling.

[moonslav59]

Isn't it easier to just trade for a .500 OPS SS with a great glove?

 

They are a dime a dozen.

[Bellhorn04]

Isn't it easier to just trade for a .500 OPS SS with a great glove?

 

They are a dime a dozen.

 

Aaaaaghhhh!

[notin]

You don't have to bring an 18 year old up, jump him ahead FOUR levels, burn a 40 man spot and screw up his development to go out and trade for pitching. Especially when you have a top prospect in the game who should be ready next season. Probably could play now if they really wanted him too.

 

Economics are a little different, too.

 

After 6 seasons in MLB, Yount still only had a .672 OPS, and in today’s game would be ready for free agency. Despite the weak offense, do you gamble on a shortstop who hasn’t been hitting but is also only 23?

[Bellhorn04]

Jose Iglesias was there for the taking 2 years in a row.

[gojohn99]

Great news!

 

 

Hendriks to rehab in WOO on Sunday.

[gojohn99]

Rich Hill about to sign... was 77 year old Bill Lee unavailable?

[Bellhorn04]

Rich Hill about to sign... was 77 year old Bill Lee unavailable?

 

Space just might be next on the list of signings.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Isn't it easier to just trade for a .500 OPS SS with a great glove?

 

They are a dime a dozen.

 

WE keep saying that, but Boston keeps putting sub-par band-aids there (and people keep buying tickets to watch them, so what do we know?).

 

Look, I'm all about bats -- keep shaking that baseball tree -- and I'd rather keep Mayer, the guy who led Double A in hitting. Gunnar Henderson leads the AL in errors, but anybody would take him because of his O.

 

I'd much rather trade Arias, but like you always say, big league teams are looking for big league-ready talent in any trades. No matter what, the Sox have to get some legit arms asap; as far as I'm concerned (and I am) a TOTR starter is never wasted, as far as years of control and if the club is ready to contend.

 

An ace can stabilize an entire pitching staff, share grips, batter books, recruit/entice other stars to join, and most importantly -- save innings, shoulders and elbows, especially those in the bullpen. Any rebuild, any improvement, has to start with a starter.

[moonslav59]

WE keep saying that, but Boston keeps putting sub-par band-aids there (and people keep buying tickets to watch them, so what do we know?).

 

Look, I'm all about bats -- keep shaking that baseball tree -- and I'd rather keep Mayer, the guy who led Double A in hitting. Gunnar Henderson leads the AL in errors, but anybody would take him because of his O.

 

I'd much rather trade Arias, but like you always say, big league teams are looking for big league-ready talent in any trades. No matter what, the Sox have to get some legit arms asap; as far as I'm concerned (and I am) a TOTR starter is never wasted, as far as years of control and if the club is ready to contend.

 

An ace can stabilize an entire pitching staff, share grips, batter books, recruit/entice other stars to join, and most importantly -- save innings, shoulders and elbows, especially those in the bullpen. Any rebuild, any improvement, has to start with a starter.

 

I'm always for obtaining a TOTR SP.

 

I'm always for having plus SS defense. (2B and CF, too, and C & RF to some extent.)

 

With our middle IF being our weakest area outside of pitching, I like the idea of keeping Mayer over Anthony and or Teel.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

Sources: Barring something unforeseen before first pitch, Triston Casas is expected to be activated for the Red Sox in Baltimore tonight.

 

The wait is over.

[jgar658]

@ChrisCotillo

Sources: Barring something unforeseen before first pitch, Triston Casas is expected to be activated for the Red Sox in Baltimore tonight.

 

The wait is over.

 

I will be at the game tonight!

Oriole park is nice.

Oriole fans tend to be quite friendly.

[jgar658]

I will try to get an autograph from Casas during BP.

The Red Sox DFA Dom Smith, per @ByRobertMurray.