Trades?

[Bellhorn04]

How about just putting a team together where you don’t have to sell off anyone, and actually do some buying?

 

Can't do that until the time is exactly right!

[notin]

none of those will bring back much in the way of decent prospects

 

Deadline trades rarely do unless the player has multiple years of control.

 

But with some good scouting, there are more Wilyer Abreu types out there…

[notin]

How about just putting a team together where you don’t have to sell off anyone, and actually do some buying?

 

The “actually do some buying” part is where the Sox have been falling short recently. But only 3 games out in mid-June seems to early to run to the white flag.

[Bellhorn04]

The “actually do some buying” part is where the Sox have been falling short recently. But only 3 games out in mid-June seems to early to run to the white flag.

 

The Sox front office pretty much ran out the white flag in the offseason this time.

[Old Red]

Can't do that until the time is exactly right!

 

And like I’ve said many times that you don’t throw years away, and this could be three years in a row with the hope that things get better down the road, because that hope might not turn out as good as what people want.

[Bellhorn04]

And like I’ve said many times that you don’t throw years away, and this could be three years in a row with the hope that things get better down the road, because that hope might not turn out as good as what people want.

 

Just look at the Yanks. They have good young guys like Gil and Volpe, but they don't build everything around them. They spend and spend.

[Old Red]

Deadline trades rarely do unless the player has multiple years of control.

 

But with some good scouting, there are more Wilyer Abreu types out there…

 

Some on here have been selling players off before the season even started for the last three years. Why even bother to play the season?

[Bellhorn04]

Some on here have been selling players off before the season even started for the last three years. Why even bother to play the season?

 

I have to agree. That's the position they keep creating with these mediocre teams they assemble.

 

Look what it did to poor Bloom. They turned him into a deer in the headlights looking for the invisible third fork in the road.

[notin]

Some on here have been selling players off before the season even started for the last three years. Why even bother to play the season?

 

They’re just talking baseball…

[Bellhorn04]

They’re just talking baseball…

 

He's right though. We have folks talking about who to sell at the deadline not long after the season starts. It doesn't mean they're bad people. It's about the teams the Sox keep putting together.

 

And after the fact we have a lot of lamenting about not selling off in 2022 etc.

 

It's just a depressing state of affairs all around.

[notin]

He's right though. We have folks talking about who to sell at the deadline not long after the season starts. It doesn't mean they're bad people. It's about the teams the Sox keep putting together.

 

And after the fact we have a lot of lamenting about not selling off in 2022 etc.

 

It's just a depressing state of affairs all around.

 

Depressing state of affairs? The mood on this board changes daily.

 

Not to mention, the waters have been muddied in recent years regarding the whole “buying/selling “ thing anyway…

[Bellhorn04]

Depressing state of affairs? The mood on this board changes daily.

 

Wins and losses are like mood-altering drugs, agreed.

 

But the general picture doesn't change. We've been flipping and flopping and floundering around the .500 level 3 years in a row.

[Bellhorn04]

I mean, we should be depressed about being 14 behind the Yanks and 10.5 behind the Birds in mid-June. It's only the ever-expanding playoffs and the possibility of 84 win teams winning the pennant that keeps any hope alive.

[notin]

I mean, we should be depressed about being 14 behind the Yanks and 10.5 behind the Birds in mid-June. It's only the ever-expanding playoffs and the possibility of 84 win teams winning the pennant that keeps any hope alive.

 

Oh no doubt this season would be more frustrating if we played under the rules in 1992 or 2013. But the evolving postseason (which I will maintain is a good thing) does keep us alive, especially when combined with the inherent parity is MLB.

 

But some of us were not down on this team all off-season, and while I will absolutely talk about selling in July (it’s just another opportunity to talk baseball) I maintain we are still in the playoff hunt. Are we the best team? Not even close. But then, do we need to be?

Edited June 15, 2024 by notin

[notin]

Wins and losses are like mood-altering drugs, agreed.

 

But the general picture doesn't change. We've been flipping and flopping and floundering around the .500 level 3 years in a row.

 

But you’re already getting more optimistic. Six months ago, if you described the 2022 and 2023 teams as “around .500” - a 100% accurate description- someone would have chimed in immediately correcting you that they were a last place team, and should not be referred to any other way…

[Bellhorn04]

Oh no doubt this season would be more frustrating if we played under the rules in 1992 or 2013. But the evolving postseason (which I will maintain is a good thing) does keep us alive, espy when combined with the inherent parity is MLB.

 

But some of us were not down on this team all off-season, and while I will absolutely talk about selling in July (it’s just another opportunity to talk baseball) I maintain we are still in the playoff hunt. Are we the best team? Not even close. But then, do we need to be?

 

We saw the ugly downside of this "sorta have a chance in July" deal the last 2 years. Looks like Breslow is going to be in the same position as Bloom. If so you have to think he's going to sell.

[Bellhorn04]

But you’re already getting more optimistic. Six months ago, if you described the 2022 and 2023 teams as “around .500” - a 100% accurate description- someone would have chimed in immediately correcting you that they were a last place team, and should not be referred to any other way…

 

I can handle one .500 season. Stringing them together gets tiresome. I'm not feeling optimistic about this team at all. We have some young players worth watching, but that's about it.

[notin]

I can handle one .500 season. Stringing them together gets tiresome. I'm not feeling optimistic about this team at all. We have some young players worth watching, but that's about it.

 

I’d like them to break out of this, too.

 

Really the one thing I don’t like is this team is going to lack superstar power for a long time, which is why it was so wrong to let Betts go.

 

The chances of one coming up internally are slim. And yet they’re still better than the chances to Sox go out and pay for Juan Soto…

[Bellhorn04]

I’d like them to break out of this, too.

 

Really the one thing I don’t like is this team is going to lack superstar power for a long time, which is why it was so wrong to let Betts go.

 

The chances of one coming up internally are slim. And yet they’re still better than the chances to Sox go out and pay for Juan Soto…

 

The Yankees will lock up Soto. He has rejuvenated the whole team.

[moonslav59]

He's right though. We have folks talking about who to sell at the deadline not long after the season starts. It doesn't mean they're bad people. It's about the teams the Sox keep putting together.

 

And after the fact we have a lot of lamenting about not selling off in 2022 etc.

 

It's just a depressing state of affairs all around.

 

Not selling in 2022 and 2023 is part of the reason our affairs are so depressing, right now.

 

Knowing now, that the spending was not going to happen in '23 or '24, it shows all the more reason to have done it- as it was one of the few way to improve the team, going forward, without spending.

 

Nobody likes the idea of needing to sell. It sucks even more to be thinking about the possibility over the whole winter before the season even begins. The reality is what it is, however. I don't see wishing on some faraway hopes that squeaking into the last WC slot followed by some glorious playoff run is worth doing nothing or trying to buy at a deadline like we saw in '22 and '23 and look to be coming up to, this year.

 

We got nothing or next to nothing for Bogey, Nate, JD, Wacha, Hill, Duvall, Paxton and maybe more I can't recall.

 

While it's true, sometimes what you get back in deadline trades doesn't work out, to well, we have seen some workout pretty well.

Pivetta for Workman & Hembree (2020)

Abreu & Valdez for Vazquez (2022)

 

Some non deadline deals that seemed like sell-offs, at the time, have started to show some decent returns (although some names, here, do not come close to matching what we gave up):

Wong for Betts and later Weissert (and Fitts) for Dugo, who was part of the Betts trade.

Wink (and Gambrell) for Beni

DHam for Renfroe

(ICampbell for Urias may end up working-maybe not)

 

To me, I'd rather we extend Pivetta to a decent deal than trade him, but of course, we could trade him then re-sign him, as well.

I don't see Jansen, O'Neill, Anderson or Martin in our 2025 plans, let alone, beyond. I don't think watching them play here for the last two months of 2024 has a value more than what we can get for them in trade.

 

I do enjoy watching this year's Sox, but it looks like it would take a miracle to reach glory in October. I'd rather hope for 2025 and beyond than a '24 miracle. It sucks that that seems to be out only two choices going on 3 years in a row, and 4 out of the last 5 approaching deadlines, but hoping for that to change seems to be like banging your head against a wall..

 

 

[moonslav59]

The Yankees will lock up Soto. He has rejuvenated the whole team.

 

It sure looks that way, but with the Dodgers and Mett around, it's hard to know anything, these days.

[Duran Is The Man]

how about just putting a team together where you don’t have to sell off anyone, and actually do some buying?🙈🤭

 

bingo

[Old Red]

They’re just talking baseball…

 

I’m talking Baseball too, but I’m not going to start talking about selling players off until I see how the teams doing in July. Not before the season even starts. Once again if you want to do a sell off before the season even starts then why even bother to play the season at all?

[moonslav59]

bingo

 

I think we all agree, but until we reach that point, we should do everything we can to better the team and try to get to the point, where we will be buyers at the deadline.

 

Not selling, is part of the reason we never get to that point.

 

Sure, spending more would likely help, but is not a guarantee. Getting nothing but low comp picks for Bogey was criminal.

[notin]

I’m talking Baseball too, but I’m not going to start talking about selling players off until I see how the teams doing in July. Not before the season even starts. Once again if you want to do a sell off before the season even starts then why even bother to play the season at all?

 

A lot of fans all over every Internet forum everywhere believe in some sort of “Magic formula” for how a baseball team needs to be put together in order to win. Many of them also have pre-conceived notions about whether or not the players on any current roster do or do not fit into that formula. And when the criteria of that formula are not met, then only logical conclusion is the team cannot win and should then prepare to sell.

 

Of course, some folks on this board are sell-happy because they’ve also seen the last two years when a team that should consider selling simply passes and does nothing. They simply don’t want that three-peat…

[moonslav59]

A lot of fans all over every Internet forum everywhere believe in some sort of “Magic formula” for how a baseball team needs to be put together in order to win. Many of them also have pre-conceived notions about whether or not the players on any current roster do or do not fit into that formula. And when the criteria of that formula are not met, then only logical conclusion is the team cannot win and should then prepare to sell.

 

Of course, some folks on this board are sell-happy because they’ve also seen the last two years when a team that should consider selling simply passes and does nothing. They simply don’t want that three-peat…

 

Not sure why speculation bothers some people. It's something to talk about- just like bitching about why the team never gets any better is.

 

When the team was doing well, there was a lot of talk about who we can trade for and which prospects might be used to get them. It's a point of interest, for some- not all.

 

I know many of us disagree on when it is a good time to sell, especially with the expanded WC set-up, but to me, we have never won a ring or come close, in a season where I wanted to sell in July. That's not proof of anything, but to me, we looked like legit contenders in 20024, 2007, 2013 (maybe not in February but certainly in July) and 2018. There have been several seasons, where we looked like we had a good shot and ended up falling short, with 2021 being the most recent season, but to me 2020, 2022 and 2023 looked like sell summers, and we only really sold a lot in '20. 2019 looked like it might be a sell season, and word was we were going to trade Sale, then, but a mid-late July surge changed the decision.

 

Speculation is a part of being a fan for many. It is what it is.

[Bellhorn04]

I think we all agree, but until we reach that point, we should do everything we can to better the team and try to get to the point, where we will be buyers at the deadline.

 

Not selling, is part of the reason we never get to that point.

 

Sure, spending more would likely help, but is not a guarantee. Getting nothing but low comp picks for Bogey was criminal.

 

I think what happened in 2022 is part of the perils of being mediocre in the 12 team playoffs era. I was against selling in 2022 because I thought we had a shot at the playoffs. Same thing last year.

 

Arizona made the WS last year with 84 wins and a minus 15 run differential.

 

This is what Manfred wants.

[dgalehouse]

Every player you " sell off " has to be replaced just to stay where you are. Then you can start to think about improving.

[notin]

I think what happened in 2022 is part of the perils of being mediocre in the 12 team playoffs era. I was against selling in 2022 because I thought we had a shot at the playoffs. Same thing last year.

 

Arizona made the WS last year with 84 wins and a minus 15 run differential.

 

This is what Manfred wants.

 

 

I was against selling both of those years, but I would have preferred it over the inactivity we saw at both deadlines. And preferred it by a lot…

[notin]

The Yankees will lock up Soto. He has rejuvenated the whole team.

 

I expect them to try, but even the Yankees have financial limits…