The Grissom Watch

[notin]

Not many posters would post two dozen posts on the same thread, object to everything anyone else said, then repeat the point made by others, then conclude by referring to one of his own posts as definitive. I'm used to this in academia, but I've rarely seen it here!

 

Huh?

 

Post 36 on this thread as I see it is the one dgalehouse made that starts with “Patience is a virtue…”. I assumed it was that way on yours and everyone else’s. Maybe not. I don’t know if it counts posts made by posters you may have blocked, if there are any.

 

What post did you think post 36 was?

[notin]

NOBODY said it had anything to do with Grissom.🤭🙈

 

The thread title did…

[Old Red]

The thread title did…

 

Wow! Another N for you. As if people always stick to the title thread. C’mon man!

[notin]

Wow! Another N for you. As if people always stick to the title thread. C’mon man!

 

Did you not read how that conversation was going?

[Old Red]

Did you not read how that conversation was going?

 

NNNNNNN. Enough said.🙈🤭🤮

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Braves sent Grissom back to the minors last year when he was doing much better than he is right now for Boston. But it makes sense for a first-place team to lose patience quicker. The Red Sox are going nowhere, so why not give Grissom a couple months to find his groove?

 

The Pedroia comps were just to show that even borderline Hall of Famers often need transition periods to adjust to the bigs. It's not news; how many ballplayers were named Al Kaline, and are enshrined in Cooperstown after never playing a single day in the minors?

 

The difference between Pedey and Griz was that the '07 Sox -- and most Red Sox teams in that decade -- considered themselves World Series contenders. So when Pedroia struggled, fans and media (Remy included) were calling for Cora to play second base. It just turned out that the Sox were so stacked that they could keep Dustin around a lot longer, until he became a star to make them even better.

[Bellhorn04]

The Braves sent Grissom back to the minors last year when he was doing much better than he is right now for Boston. But it makes sense for a first-place team to lose patience quicker. The Red Sox are going nowhere, so why not give Grissom a couple months to find his groove?

 

The Pedroia comps were just to show that even borderline Hall of Famers often need transition periods to adjust to the bigs. It's not news; how many ballplayers were named Al Kaline, and are enshrined in Cooperstown after never playing a single day in the minors?

 

The difference between Pedey and Griz was that the '07 Sox -- and most Red Sox teams in that decade -- considered themselves World Series contenders. So when Pedroia struggled, fans and media (Remy included) were calling for Cora to play second base. It just turned out that the Sox were so stacked that they could keep Dustin around a lot longer, until he became a star to make them even better.

 

Right, and the 2024 Red Sox are not stacked, and they needed more offense, and fairly or not, Grissom was expected to fill some of that need.

 

If they're going to write off 2024 then sure, give him a ton of leash. If 2024 matters it becomes a trickier call.

 

Tonight is his second healthy scratch in the last 5 games. So it's not like I'm making something out of nothing here. They're obviously concerned too.

[notin]

Right, and the 2024 Red Sox are not stacked, and they needed more offense, and fairly or not, Grissom was expected to fill some of that need.

 

If they're going to write off 2024 then sure, give him a ton of leash. If 2024 matters it becomes a trickier call.

 

Tonight is his second healthy scratch in the last 5 games. So it's not like I'm making something out of nothing here. They're obviously concerned too.

 

 

Of course they’re concerned. But not to the point of writing him off, which has been done on this thread.

 

Reportedly Breslow insisted on Grissom. That tells us he had some clear faith in him as a player. I don’t know what Breslow looks for, but Grissom’s track record prior to this session certainly provides some hope.

 

And how concerned would people be if Sale was not looking like his 2017 self? Sale has 2.0 bWAR this season, and it seems like that has made a lot of people forget he had 2.6 bWAR total from 2020-2023.

 

The trade isn’t working out right now, but it was still a sensible trade. What did people think Sale was worth in a trade after missing most of the past 4 seasons?

[Bellhorn04]

Of course they’re concerned. But not to the point of writing him off, which has been done on this thread.

 

Reportedly Breslow insisted on Grissom. That tells us he had some clear faith in him as a player. I don’t know what Breslow looks for, but Grissom’s track record prior to this session certainly provides some hope.

 

And how concerned would people be if Sale was not looking like his 2017 self? Sale has 2.0 bWAR this season, and it seems like that has made a lot of people forget he had 2.6 bWAR total from 2020-2023.

 

The trade isn’t working out right now, but it was still a sensible trade. What did people think Sale was worth in a trade after missing most of the past 4 seasons?

 

That's part of why they shouldn't have done it. They weren't getting much back. Should have just rolled the dice on him. All they saved on the deal was $10 million. Not much in the big picture.

[Old Red]

Of course they’re concerned. But not to the point of writing him off, which has been done on this thread.

 

Reportedly Breslow insisted on Grissom. That tells us he had some clear faith in him as a player. I don’t know what Breslow looks for, but Grissom’s track record prior to this session certainly provides some hope.

 

And how concerned would people be if Sale was not looking like his 2017 self? Sale has 2.0 bWAR this season, and it seems like that has made a lot of people forget he had 2.6 bWAR total from 2020-2023.

 

The trade isn’t working out right now, but it was still a sensible trade. What did people think Sale was worth in a trade after missing most of the past 4 seasons?

 

Who said anything about writing Grissom off? NO ONE! You keep going on, and on about Sale’s past, because that’s all you got, because at the moment the trade looks pretty lopsided, but things could change at any time, and if it does the narrative will change with it. Something that you can’t comprehend, but until it does things will stay as is like it, or not.

[Old Red]

That's part of why they shouldn't have done it. They weren't getting much back. Should have just rolled the dice on him. All they saved on the deal was $10 million. Not much in the big picture.

 

Saved $10M, but are still paying someone else $17M for Sale to pitch for them, and presently looking like his old self again.

[notin]

That's part of why they shouldn't have done it. They weren't getting much back. Should have just rolled the dice on him. All they saved on the deal was $10 million. Not much in the big picture.

 

I don’t think they view it that way at all. I think Breslow clearly has a lot more faith in Grissom than you do. And it’s possible he’s not deterred by a 65 PA sample size…

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think they view it that way at all. I think Breslow clearly has a lot more faith in Grissom than you do. And it’s possible he’s not deterred by a 65 PA sample size…

 

He doesn't have much choice in the matter. What's done is done.

[notin]

Who said anything about writing Grissom off? NO ONE! You keep going on, and on about Sale’s past, because that’s all you got, because at the moment the trade looks pretty lopsided, but things could change at any time, and if it does the narrative will change with it. Something that you can’t comprehend, but until it does things will stay as is like it, or not.

 

Not true no one has written him off. Go back and re-read this thread, starting at post #3.

 

I’ve repeatedly said this deal isn’t working out, but it did make sense at the time. In fact, that’s all I’ve ever offered on this trade since the season began. Like a lot of people, this deal looked better to me in the off-season when Sale making 8 starts was far from a sure thing.

 

Also Sale’s past was definitely a factor. His 2024 season hadn’t happened yet. It was what they were selling, and why they had to pay.

 

You’re so desperate to tell people they’re wrong that you just ignore it when they agree with you..

Edited May 26, 2024 by notin

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not really even blaming Breslow for the trade. I think it had a lot to do with the budget they handed him. It was a way to cut $10 million.

 

I think this is another one on FSG.

[Bellhorn04]

The old saying is you can never have enough pitching. And that includes guys who have question marks about health and durability. The more the merrier. If Sale had gotten injured again, well, it would have cost them an extra $10 million. This was cheapskate ******** through and through.

[Old Red]

I'm not really even blaming Breslow for the trade. I think it had a lot to do with the budget they handed him. It was a way to cut $10 million.

 

I think this is another one on FSG.

 

Yea, but who would you rather had. Sale, or Gio, or both? Wasn’t Gio signed before Sale was traded, so they actually didn’t save $10M when you add it all up.

[Old Red]

Not true no one has written him off. Go back and re-read this thread, starting at post #3.

 

I’ve repeatedly said this deal isn’t working out, but it did make sense at the time. In fact, that’s all I’ve ever offered on this trade since the season began. Like a lot of people, this deal looked better to me in the off-season when Sale making 8 starts was far from a sure thing.

 

Also Sale’s past was definitely a factor. His 2024 season hadn’t happened yet. It was what they were selling, and why they had to pay.

 

You’re so desperate to tell people they’re wrong that you just ignore it when they agree with you..

 

Never wrong, or never right? We know which category you fall in.

[moonslav59]

Saying " The future looks bright" wears pretty thin after a while.

 

The future did not look bright in 2020, and some saw this coming before that season.

 

It did look bright in 2021, as it looked like we were getting better, and the farm[ was steadily improving, if slowly.

[Duran Is The Man]

The old saying is you can never have enough pitching. And that includes guys who have question marks about health and durability. The more the merrier. If Sale had gotten injured again, well, it would have cost them an extra $10 million. This was cheapskate ******** through and through.

 

it's been cheapskate ******** since they fired DD. f*** Henry.

[moonslav59]

I'm not really even blaming Breslow for the trade. I think it had a lot to do with the budget they handed him. It was a way to cut $10 million.

 

I think this is another one on FSG.

 

While true, there were other ways to cut $10M, and even more.

 

To me, this is way to early to be having a strong opinion of the results of the trade.

[Randy Red Sox]

While true, there were other ways to cut $10M, and even more.

 

To me, this is way to early to be having a strong opinion of the results of the trade.

 

while it is true Grissom " may' get better this is not a win in the trade for the Sox given that they are on the hook for 17 million

[moonslav59]

while it is true Grissom " may' get better this is not a win in the trade for the Sox given that they are on the hook for 17 million

 

You're calling the trade grade over, already. Noted.

[Old Red]

You're calling the trade grade over, already. Noted.

 

You’d be doing the same thing if things were the other way around. Truly noted!

[Old Red]

While true, there were other ways to cut $10M, and even more.

 

To me, this is way to early to be having a strong opinion of the results of the trade.

 

It was way too early to get all giddy over O’Neill too. It works both ways.

[Bellhorn04]

While true, there were other ways to cut $10M, and even more.

 

To me, this is way to early to be having a strong opinion of the results of the trade.

 

Seems to me you had a strong opinion of the JBJ trade pretty quickly.

 

And on the other thread you're constantly handing out grades for performances for the season to date.

 

It really does seem you have one set of rules for yourself and one set for others.

[Old Red]

Seems to me you had a strong opinion of the JBJ trade pretty quickly.

 

And on the other thread you're constantly handing out grades for performances for the season to date.

 

It really does seem you have one set of rules for yourself and one set for others.

 

👍👍👍!

[Duran Is The Man]

Seems to me you had a strong opinion of the JBJ trade pretty quickly.

 

And on the other thread you're constantly handing out grades for performances for the season to date.

 

It really does seem you have one set of rules for yourself and one set for others.

 

i think he works for JH. he claimed the JBJ trade was a "head-scratcher", when the fact is, it was a "f***ing disaster".

[notin]

The old saying is you can never have enough pitching. And that includes guys who have question marks about health and durability. The more the merrier. If Sale had gotten injured again, well, it would have cost them an extra $10 million. This was cheapskate ******** through and through.

 

Given Sale’s past 4 years, this trade looked like it was going to boil down to one of two options.

 

1. Pay Sale $27mill to not pitch or pitch very little.

2. Pay Sale $17mill to not pitch or pitch very little elsewhere in exchange for a prospect that Breslow liked.

 

The past four years we called him “Chris Frail” and described him by saying “you can’t count on Sale.” Are you sure he was really viewed as a reliable source of pitching?

[notin]

while it is true Grissom " may' get better this is not a win in the trade for the Sox given that they are on the hook for 17 million

 

Well, I wouldn’t go that far. Sale’s last 4 years have shown us that pitching is not always what defines his season…