Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I like giving a bad team with a top pick the option of trading for someone else's big leaguer or pro player.

 

If you want to upgrade your draft position, you have to pay up in actual bodies (not funds).

 

Does that neutralize the risks? Less risk for the bad team, which is assured a guy they're more confident about; more risk for the better team, which can hit the jackpot or lose an asset.

[moonslav59]

I think you wouldn't trade the money. The team with the bad record still keeps the extra slot money and can pick later in the draft. The better team just has a chance to pick a really good player they would never have been able to get previously at the expense of the rest of their draft.

 

I like this idea.

[notin]

I like giving a bad team with a top pick the option of trading for someone else's big leaguer or pro player.

 

If you want to upgrade your draft position, you have to pay up in actual bodies (not funds).

 

Does that neutralize the risks? Less risk for the bad team, which is assured a guy they're more confident about; more risk for the better team, which can hit the jackpot or lose an asset.

 

 

Then you’re giving the team that trades west the pick a relatively larger budget to sign fewer players and the acquiring team a smaller budget per to sign more players. The slot money should be considered part of the draft pick…

[moonslav59]

Then you’re giving the team that trades west the pick a relatively larger budget to sign fewer players and the acquiring team a smaller budget per to sign more players. The slot money should be considered part of the draft pick…

 

Either way works.

 

I kind of like the idea that a bad team picking high can trade their top pick for something of value and then still spend more on lower slot picks, and still make out very well.

 

It would make it hard for the "better team" to manage the money, and may lose out on some lower level picks.

[jad]

Stop the madness. Stop rewarding bad teams, period. Make the draft a normal lottery and the tanking problem disappears immediately. A basic convention of sports is you try to win.

[dgalehouse]

No draft. Let people sign with any team they want.

[Hugh2]

Stop the madness. Stop rewarding bad teams, period. Make the draft a normal lottery and the tanking problem disappears immediately. A basic convention of sports is you try to win.

 

Nobody is really tanking in baseball. The draft is more of a crapshoot than the NFL or NBA. MLB needs more than just 4-5 teams to stay solvent. Heck, if anything the good teams need someone to play.

[sk7326]

It would be difficult to apply the cap numbers to a changing draft order. I guess an adjustment could be made with every trade.

 

I like the idea of trades being allowed. I don't care much about the specifics.

 

I think doing this would not be difficult. The pool can be calculated post draft. One thing you can do is guarantee 90% of first round slot value to be spent on the first rounder - so a team can't trade up to #1 just to have more money.

 

Trading picks would be great - and more than anything, it would make the draft itself fun.

[sk7326]

Stop the madness. Stop rewarding bad teams, period. Make the draft a normal lottery and the tanking problem disappears immediately. A basic convention of sports is you try to win.

 

I don't think tanking is a problem in baseball - or the tanking of baseball does not really impact the draft. That said, in baseball the draft should just be abolished.

[mvp 78]

Stop the madness. Stop rewarding bad teams, period. Make the draft a normal lottery and the tanking problem disappears immediately. A basic convention of sports is you try to win.

 

I don’t think tanking is an issue in MLB.

[Hugh2]

No draft. Let people sign with any team they want.

 

Not sure baseball could support 30 teams with that philosophy, heck I don't know if they could support 15.

[notin]

I don’t think tanking is an issue in MLB.

 

It’s not. At least not for draft picks.

 

Tanking in MLB is when you deal away a bunch of players directly for farm system and potential future help in the minors. But not for draft position…

[notin]

No draft. Let people sign with any team they want.

 

MLB does that with the rest of the players in the world. They only draft Americans…

[mvp 78]

No draft. Let people sign with any team they want.

 

It’s the 1950’s again!!!

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think tanking is an issue in MLB.

 

What about the pre-2016 Cubs and the pre-2017 Astros?

[notin]

What about the pre-2016 Cubs and the pre-2017 Astros?

 

The pre-2017 Astros are a prime example of why not to tank. They had the number one overall pick for 3 consecutive years. Carlos Correa certainly worked out. The other two? They didn’t do quite so well with Mark Appel and Brady Aiken. Basically just wasted some slot bonus money.

 

The Astros did much better with their international signings…

[moonslav59]

The pre-2017 Astros are a prime example of why not to tank. They had the number one overall pick for 3 consecutive years. Carlos Correa certainly worked out. The other two? They didn’t do quite so well with Mark Appel and Brady Aiken. Basically just wasted some slot bonus money.

 

The Astros did much better with their international signings…

 

Why just pick a 3 year period?

 

Yes, they had 3 really awful seasons (2011-2013,) but their tank last longer than that.

 

They drafted Springer in 2011, after a 76 win 2010 season.

 

They drafted Bregman & Tucker in 2015, after a 70 win season in 2014.

 

They also drafted McCullers with the 41st pick in '12.

 

[notin]

Why just pick a 3 year period?

 

Yes, they had 3 really awful seasons (2011-2013,) but their tank last longer than that.

 

They drafted Springer in 2011, after a 76 win 2010 season.

 

They drafted Bregman & Tucker in 2015, after a 70 win season in 2014.

 

They also drafted McCullers with the 41st pick in '12.

 

 

But truly tanking is trying to get that top overall pick. That’s the Brass Ring of tanking in any sport. And when they got it, it didn’t work out twice in a three year span. Those other players fell to them and you could find players taken ahead of them who simply didn’t pan out…

[moonslav59]

But truly tanking is trying to get that top overall pick. That’s the Brass Ring of tanking in any sport. And when they got it, it didn’t work out twice in a three year span. Those other players fell to them and you could find players taken ahead of them who simply didn’t pan out…

 

The first pick in MLB is not like the NFL or NBA.

 

Getting to top 3-5 is still a nice spot to get to. Plus, now you get more bonus money and IFA bonus money, when you suck.

[mvp 78]

The first pick in MLB is not like the NFL or NBA.

 

Getting to top 3-5 is still a nice spot to get to. Plus, now you get more bonus money and IFA bonus money, when you suck.

 

People were specifically referencing tanking in this thread in regards to getting top overall draft picks, not whatever argument you are trying to make now. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[moonslav59]

People were specifically referencing tanking in this thread in regards to getting top overall draft picks, not whatever argument you are trying to make now. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

 

I know what people were talking about.

 

Keep pretending you know what everyone wants to specifically talk about.

 

Somehow your "Ted Talk" went from the hiring of Breslow to teams tanking to get the top pick, without anyone changing the direction of the flow of conversation.

 

Magical!

[notin]

I know what people were talking about.

 

Keep pretending you know what everyone wants to specifically talk about.

 

Somehow your "Ted Talk" went from the hiring of Breslow to teams tanking to get the top pick, without anyone changing the direction of the flow of conversation.

 

Magical!

 

 

Well, no one tanks to get the 41st pick. Don’t confuse tanking with drafting well…

[Hugh2]

"There's NO TANKING IN BASEBALL" - Tom Hanks

[Bellhorn04]

But truly tanking is trying to get that top overall pick. That’s the Brass Ring of tanking in any sport. And when they got it, it didn’t work out twice in a three year span. Those other players fell to them and you could find players taken ahead of them who simply didn’t pan out…

 

Bregman was the #2 pick and the #1 pick was Swanson.

 

Bregman didn't "fall to" the Astros LOL

[Bellhorn04]

People were specifically referencing tanking in this thread in regards to getting top overall draft picks, not whatever argument you are trying to make now. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

 

Did the Cubs and Astros tank or not?

[moonslav59]

Well, no one tanks to get the 41st pick. Don’t confuse tanking with drafting well…

 

 

 

Getting the 3rd pick in every round is better than getting the 15th or 20th.

 

I'm not sure the draft position is a major reason teams decide to not try to win. I'm not sure that is called tanking.

 

I think the main reason teams decide not to try to win is about making more money. They appreciate the higher draft picks and more bonus pool money, but it's not the driving factor, IMO.

[moonslav59]

Did the Cubs and Astros tank or not?

 

IMO, yes and yes.

 

The Astros admitted it.

[Bellhorn04]

Getting the 3rd pick in every round is better than getting the 15th or 20th.

 

I'm not sure the draft position is a major reason teams decide to not try to win. I'm not sure that is called tanking.

 

I think the main reason teams decide not to try to win is about making more money. They appreciate the higher draft picks and more bonus pool money, but it's not the driving factor, IMO.

 

The motives depend a lot on the size of the market and who the owner is.

[notin]

IMO, yes and yes.

 

The Astros admitted it.

 

Sure they tanked. But the Astros showed the downside but nothing 67% of the top picks…

[Bellhorn04]

Sure they tanked. But the Astros showed the downside but nothing 67% of the top picks…

 

I don't see much downside with #2 pick Bregman.