A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Hugh2]

I can see reasons to not be big on either dude. However, it's going to rub the fanbase the wrong way when they pivot elsewhere before bidding closes.

 

That's fair, I don't want them to spend just to spend. I want them to spend on the right guys. Maybe they see something in a guy that they think they can improve in him or get more out of him in an 8 year window. Of course to do that you have to trust your internal pitching apparatus. I wonder what Breslow and company think about Montgomery/SNell. If they don't like those guys then I wonder if they think they could get a guy like Giolito right?

[Hugh2]

There's absolutely no chance they're even considering Snell IMHO.

 

You wouldn't think so, there's no smoke, and he doesn't fit the type of pitcher they like. Which isn't hard these days.

[mvp 78]

That's fair, I don't want them to spend just to spend. I want them to spend on the right guys. Maybe they see something in a guy that they think they can improve in him or get more out of him in an 8 year window. Of course to do that you have to trust your internal pitching apparatus. I wonder what Breslow and company think about Montgomery/SNell. If they don't like those guys then I wonder if they think they could get a guy like Giolito right?

 

The signing doesn't have to be sexy to work. About 50% of all FA signings look ugly at the end of the next season. Crag just has to find the guys that will be effective. There will be a few below market FA's that succeed this year. Will they find them? Is it important enough to Crag to sell it to the fans? Maybe as an ex-ballplayer he doesn't really care about the PR side? Take a hit now, but build a good team.

 

I think we'd all be happy with this offseason if they are playing meaningful games in September with Crag signings that are working out and a retooled pitching program that is finally showing signs of life.

[mvp 78]

You wouldn't think so, there's no smoke, and he doesn't fit the type of pitcher they like. Which isn't hard these days.

 

He does generate a lot of swing and miss (98th percentile whiff rate), which is something Crag want to focus on.

[Hugh2]

The signing doesn't have to be sexy to work. About 50% of all FA signings look ugly at the end of the next season. Crag just has to find the guys that will be effective. There will be a few below market FA's that succeed this year. Will they find them? Is it important enough to Crag to sell it to the fans? Maybe as an ex-ballplayer he doesn't really care about the PR side? Take a hit now, but build a good team.

 

I think we'd all be happy with this offseason if they are playing meaningful games in September with Crag signings that are working out and a retooled pitching program that is finally showing signs of life.

 

If this is all Breslow can do because of constraints, I'm optimistic that he can, but that is going to make me pretty bearish on this team the next couple years. They will need good health, and good luck to really compete. Which has happened, and can happen, but as I said earlier, 2022 seasons happen more often than 2021 when you go diving in the bin.

[mvp 78]

If this is all Breslow can do because of constraints, I'm optimistic that he can, but that is going to make me pretty bearish on this team the next couple years. They will need good health, and good luck to really compete. Which has happened, and can happen, but as I said earlier, 2022 seasons happen more often than 2021 when you go diving in the bin.

 

The prospects will have to hit the ground running the way the O's prospects have done.

[moonslav59]

The prospects will have to hit the ground running the way the O's prospects have done.

 

Starting with at least one doing very well from Rafaela and Abreu.

[Hugh2]

Starting with at least one doing very well from Rafaela and Abreu.

 

It looks very unlikely both those guys start in Boston. So it will probably have to be Abreu.

[mvp 78]

Starting with at least one doing very well from Rafaela and Abreu.

 

I'm thinking more towards the '25 crop of Teel/Mayer/Anthoney/Yorke or whoever doesn't get traded.

[Randy Red Sox]

The signing doesn't have to be sexy to work. About 50% of all FA signings look ugly at the end of the next season. Crag just has to find the guys that will be effective. There will be a few below market FA's that succeed this year. Will they find them? Is it important enough to Crag to sell it to the fans? Maybe as an ex-ballplayer he doesn't really care about the PR side? Take a hit now, but build a good team.

 

I think we'd all be happy with this offseason if they are playing meaningful games in September with Crag signings that are working out and a retooled pitching program that is finally showing signs of life.

 

 

who is Crag?

[moonslav59]

I'm thinking more towards the '25 crop of Teel/Mayer/Anthoney/Yorke or whoever doesn't get traded.

 

Certainly the ceilings are higher in the 25 group.

[moonslav59]

Add an “I”

[mvp 78]

Add an “I”

 

Cragi.

[Bellhorn04]

Cragi.

 

Crag and his brother Clff.

[moonslav59]

Cragi.

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I-Crag

[Dipre]

Carigi Breslowi

[moonslav59]

The 2024 outlook looks very bleak, right now. I can’t see how Brez can pull this off.

[Bellhorn04]

The 2024 outlook looks very bleak, right now. I can’t see how Brez can pull this off.

 

If the goal is to reduce payroll, he's well on his way to pulling it off.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If the goal is to reduce payroll, he's well on his way to pulling it off.

 

So far he's pulled off 57 homers from the roster by losing Turner, Duvall and Verdugo... but gained 9 from O'Neill.

 

Let's say Tyler stays healthy, and they add Teoscar and Drury -- it's possible that new trio could combine for 57 dingers.

 

Then we'd be just as good as last year.

[Old Red]

Last time I checked next season doesn’t start until March 28 in Seattle, which is pretty much 3 months away. I know the Red Sox have done pretty much squat to improve the team up to this point, but all this woe is me attitude on here is just cracking me up. Do you really think what the roster looks like right now will be the same roster that takes the field in Seattle? You guys can keep on shouting and pouting all you want if it makes you feel better, but I’ll wait to March 28 to see what things look like.

[Bellhorn04]

Last time I checked next season doesn’t start until March 28 in Seattle, which is pretty much 3 months away. I know the Red Sox have done pretty much squat to improve the team up to this point, but all this woe is me attitude on here is just cracking me up. Do you really think what the roster looks like right now will be the same roster that takes the field in Seattle? You guys can keep on shouting and pouting all you want if it makes you feel better, but I’ll wait to March 28 to see what things look like.

 

Red, they've already mismanaged their way to consecutive 78 win seasons, and all they did about it was swap Bloom for Breslow.

 

I'm glad you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

To me they've done nothing to justify confidence in them.

[Old Red]

Red, they've already mismanaged their way to consecutive 78 win seasons, and all they did about it was swap Bloom for Breslow.

 

I'm glad you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

To me they've done nothing to justify confidence in them.

 

Don’t get me wrong I’m well aware of the 78 win seasons, and I don’t have much, or little confidence in JH down to baseball ops to put together any kind of juggernaut, but I just can’t believe nothing will get done to improve the team. I’ve said from the beginning of FA that I Never expected the Red Sox to sign any of the high priced FA anyway, and that was even before the prices went up, so to me the team has done, or hasn’t done pretty much what i expected at this point. It seems lot of fans on here, and everywhere expected the Red Sox to do a lot more at this point, and that’s where the current anguish, and suffering comes in. Wishing, and hoping is not going to make JH do something, so I don’t bother.

[Bellhorn04]

Don’t get me wrong I’m well aware of the 78 win seasons, and I don’t have much, or little confidence in JH down to baseball ops to put together any kind of juggernaut, but I just can’t believe nothing will get done to improve the team. I’ve said from the beginning of FA that I Never expected the Red Sox to sign any of the high priced FA anyway, and that was even before the prices went up, so to me the team has done, or hasn’t done pretty much what i expected at this point. It seems lot of fans on here, and everywhere expected the Red Sox to do a lot more at this point, and that’s where the current anguish, and suffering comes in.

 

Yes, I have to admit I'm surprised that to this point they have done absolutely zero to improve the team. The team is worse on paper in fact. If the season started today we'd be about a 70 win team.

 

I'm not sure why waiting things out is such a great strategy. That's what Bloom did last year, and the result was Corey Kluber as the Opening Day starter.

[Old Red]

Yes, I have to admit I'm surprised that to this point they have done absolutely zero to improve the team. The team is worse on paper in fact. If the season started today we'd be about a 70 win team.

 

I'm not sure why waiting things out is such a great strategy. That's what Bloom did last year, and the result was Corey Kluber as the Opening Day starter.

 

I don’t know if it’s exactly waiting things out, and hopefully things will pick up after Snell, and Monty signs.

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t know if it’s exactly waiting things out, and hopefully things will pick up after Snell, and Monty signs.

 

Yeah, just like things have broken loose after Moto signed, huh?

[Bellhorn04]

We've already been through all the "trade for a starting pitcher' scenarios, and none of them seem to be slam-dunks either.

 

The next Pedro Martinez trade just ain't out there.

[Old Red]

Yeah, just like things have broken loose after Moto signed, huh?

 

It took awhile for the Yam Man to be wined, and dined, and now it’s Snell’s, and Monty’s turn to see how much they can get out of some needy owner not named JH.

[Hugh2]

I'm never believing the line "so and so is holding up the market" again. This is just how the baseball offseason is, hurry up and wait, slow slow slow, false rumors, false hope.

[Old Red]

We've already been through all the "trade for a starting pitcher' scenarios, and none of them seem to be slam-dunks either.

 

The next Pedro Martinez trade just ain't out there.

True enough, and this is the worst time to be so in need of SP with so many help wanted signs out there throughout MLB.

[mvp 78]

So far he's pulled off 57 homers from the roster by losing Turner, Duvall and Verdugo... but gained 9 from O'Neill.

 

Let's say Tyler stays healthy, and they add Teoscar and Drury -- it's possible that new trio could combine for 57 dingers.

 

Then we'd be just as good as last year.

 

Teoscar: 26 HR last year

Drury: 26 HR last year

O'Neill: 9 HR last year

 

Yeah "it's possible" they could combine for 57 HR's in the same year at some point.