Bloom fired

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Eovaldi was going to take the Red Sox offer, but Mookie's mother made him turn it down.

[Bellhorn04]

And that $10mill was spent on Justin Turner, Kenley Jansen, Chris Martin, Adam Duvall and Corey Kluber.

 

Or, crazy thought here, your source’s story has some holes…

 

My source is the normally unimpeachable mvp78.

[mvp 78]

And that $10mill was spent on Justin Turner, Kenley Jansen, Chris Martin, Adam Duvall and Corey Kluber.

 

Or, crazy thought here, your source’s story has some holes…

 

Nate was signed for 17M AAV on 12/28. Duvall, Kluber and Turner were officially signed after this.

[mvp 78]

My source is the normally unimpeachable mvp78.

 

What has been "reported" is that Nate went back to Chaim and requested the original Sox offer, but Chaim said no. My guess is that Chaim already believed he was going to sign Turner. The $17M that could have been spent on Nate was eventually spent on Duvall and Kluber. I have heard that Chaim second guessed himself over and over again about the Story and Masa contracts throughout 2023. Maybe after Nate walked away from the initial deal, Chaim changed his mind about what Nate was worth?

[Bellhorn04]

What has been "reported" is that Nate went back to Chaim and requested the original Sox offer, but Chaim said no. My guess is that Chaim already believed he was going to sign Turner. The $17M that could have been spent on Nate was eventually spent on Duvall and Kluber. I have heard that Chaim second guessed himself over and over again about the Story and Masa contracts throughout 2023. Maybe after Nate walked away from the initial deal, Chaim changed his mind about what Nate was worth?

 

Chaim was quite a ditherer.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Chaim was quite a ditherer.

 

He almost read what you just called him, and is about to respond...

[mvp 78]

He almost read what you just called him, and is about to respond...

 

If he had an account, he'd still be pondering his first post 4 years later.

[mvp 78]

Chaim was quite a ditherer.

 

Complete 180 from DESPERATE DAVE.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Complete 180 from DESPERATE DAVE.

 

... who reigned for four months and drowned my garden, wiping out all squash and melons. But he strategically left the hot peppers, which are lethal on viruses.

[notin]

What has been "reported" is that Nate went back to Chaim and requested the original Sox offer, but Chaim said no. My guess is that Chaim already believed he was going to sign Turner. The $17M that could have been spent on Nate was eventually spent on Duvall and Kluber. I have heard that Chaim second guessed himself over and over again about the Story and Masa contracts throughout 2023. Maybe after Nate walked away from the initial deal, Chaim changed his mind about what Nate was worth?

 

It’s also never been reported what that initial offer was…

[moonslav59]

Hmm.

Maybe because I didn’t work for the Red Sox baseball ops team, and I didn’t know they were going to replace him with the corpse of Corey Kluber .

 

Okay, but you never said anything, when he signed with texas for less or after they signed Kluber.

[Bellhorn04]

It’s also never been reported what that initial offer was…

 

If Chaim offered it, it couldn't have been outlandish.

[moonslav59]

For not signing him when Nate came back looking for that offer a second time.

 

But again I guess you can blame Henry's penny-pinching budget just as much.

 

Yes, we blew it.

[mvp 78]

... who reigned for four months and drowned my garden, wiping out all squash and melons. But he strategically left the hot peppers, which are lethal on viruses.

 

I liked DD and I like hot peppers. No problem from me.

[notin]

If Chaim offered it, it couldn't have been outlandish.

 

And yet it was reportedly higher than the Texas offer…

[notin]

Nate was signed for 17M AAV on 12/28. Duvall, Kluber and Turner were officially signed after this.

 

There is a $20mill vesting option for 2025.

 

Eovaldi would need to pitch 156 IP next season for the option to vest. That’s not a given considering he has only reached that total twice in his 12 year career…

[Bellhorn04]

And yet it was reportedly higher than the Texas offer…

 

The bottom line for Sox fans is that we could have signed him for the exact amount Bloom offered him, and yet we didn't.

 

I expect Chaim counts that as one of his regrets now...

[moonslav59]

The bottom line for Sox fans is that we could have signed him for the exact amount Bloom offered him, and yet we didn't.

 

I expect Chaim counts that as one of his regrets now...

 

It's the perfect example of his indecisiveness and lack of resolve.

[Bellhorn04]

It's the perfect example of his indecisiveness and lack of resolve.

 

It's one of them.

 

It could also be that the "thread the needle" strategy the Sox tried to follow the last few years was just a bad idea that was doomed to fail for the most part.

[moonslav59]

It's one of them.

 

It could also be that the "thread the needle" strategy the Sox tried to follow the last few years was just a bad idea that was doomed to fail for the most part.

 

Yes. It seems he had so much going on, he got caught up in the swirl and missed out on much of what he seemed to originally want (Nate, Eflin, Abreu...)

 

He did get "his man" (maybe more the "scouts' man) in Yoshida.

Edited October 11, 2023 by moonslav59

[notin]

It's one of them.

 

It could also be that the "thread the needle" strategy the Sox tried to follow the last few years was just a bad idea that was doomed to fail for the most part.

 

The “thread the needle” strategy itself was ok. Bloom just sort of stopped halfway through it…

[notin]

Yes. It seems he had so much going on, he got caught up in the swirl and missed out on much of what he seemed to originally want (Nate, Efli, Abreu...)

 

He did get "his man" (maybe more the "scouts' man) in Yoshida.

 

Not entirely sure missing out on Abreu was part of his downfall…

[notin]

The bottom line for Sox fans is that we could have signed him for the exact amount Bloom offered him, and yet we didn't.

 

I expect Chaim counts that as one of his regrets now...

 

This story seems a little convoluted and the version we are getting might not be accurate. At some point, didn’t Eovaldi turn down or at least walk away from “the exact amount Bloom offered him?”

[moonslav59]

Not entirely sure missing out on Abreu was part of his downfall…

 

Not at all, but it was further evidence, he had great difficulty finishing the deals he seemed to want the most.

 

I'm glad he swung and missed there, despite Abreu's two blasts, yesterday.

[dgalehouse]

It seems to me that Red Sox management systematically took apart the championship team from 2018 ( Devers and Sale are all that remain )and replaced them with other acquisitions. Some of them worked out okay, but overall the team was not nearly as good. No doubt there is some story behind each of the moves , just as there is with Eovaldi , but we can only speculate. All we know for sure is that , whatever the plan was , it has not worked out very well so far.

[Bellhorn04]

This story seems a little convoluted and the version we are getting might not be accurate. At some point, didn’t Eovaldi turn down or at least walk away from “the exact amount Bloom offered him?”

 

According to my unimpeachable source, he took the Red Sox offer to the Rangers, hoping they would top it, but they offered less guaranteed money. He then went back to the Red Sox to see if their offer was still open but they said no.

[mvp 78]

Yes. It seems he had so much going on, he got caught up in the swirl and missed out on much of what he seemed to originally want (Nate, Eflin, Abreu...)

 

He did get "his man" (maybe more the "scouts' man) in Yoshida.

 

Jose Abreu stinks, so I'm glad he didn't get his man in that case.

[mvp 78]

This story seems a little convoluted and the version we are getting might not be accurate. At some point, didn’t Eovaldi turn down or at least walk away from “the exact amount Bloom offered him?”

 

It's only convoluted because you believe it's convoluted. You believe Bloom wouldn't turn Eovaldi away for some reason. You believe Bloom wouldn't second guess himself. You believe him to be a decisive decision maker for some reason.

[mvp 78]

According to my unimpeachable source, he took the Red Sox offer to the Rangers, hoping they would top it, but they offered less guaranteed money. He then went back to the Red Sox to see if their offer was still open but they said no.

 

Who benefits from the Nate going back to BOS story being out there? This came out prior to the firing.

[moonslav59]

According to my unimpeachable source, he took the Red Sox offer to the Rangers, hoping they would top it, but they offered less guaranteed money. He then went back to the Red Sox to see if their offer was still open but they said no.

 

Nate should have done that more quickly and or quietly.

 

I doubt we make the playoffs, even if he signed, instead of Kluber.