Bloom fired

[mvp 78]

Most of the examples in that song are not irony.

 

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

[moonslav59]

It's a free ride, when you already paid

 

That just sucks, but it's not irony.

[Bellhorn04]

It's a free ride, when you already paid

 

It's a Sale trade, that ya just didn't take...

[Old Red]

I don't think I did, but I'll apologize if and when you find the link.

 

Again, why does a fan's optimsm bug you so much?

 

I can see my optimism for this year was unfounded, but I'm not sure why you have to stomp all over the idea of optimism for fans.

 

Gloat all you want and throw it in my face that I was wrong, fine, but it seems you just can't handle optimism, in and of itself.

 

Like I said I’ll have optimism when the Red Sox get back to being a winning team, and back in the postseason. I don’t get optimistic on false pretenses, which have what the past two years have been about. There was nothing this team was doing with the pitching staff, and the schedule ahead that would lead me to believe they would win 84, or ghastly 87 wins this year. If that works for you fine, but that doesn’t work for me.

[mvp 78]

Like I said I’ll have optimism when the Red Sox get back to being a winning team, and back in the postseason. I don’t get optimistic on false pretenses, which have what the past two years have been about. There was nothing this team was doing with the pitching staff, and the schedule ahead that would lead me to believe they would win 84, or ghastly 87 wins this year. If that works for you fine, but that doesn’t work for me.

 

They were on an 84 win pace for most of the season.

[Old Red]

They were on an 84 win pace for most of the season.

 

Back at the end of August with the pitching in shambles, and the Schedule coming up?

[moonslav59]

Like I said I’ll have optimism when the Red Sox get back to being a winning team, and back in the postseason. I don’t get optimistic on false pretenses, which have what the past two years have been about. There was nothing this team was doing with the pitching staff, and the schedule ahead that would lead me to believe they would win 84, or ghastly 87 wins this year. If that works for you fine, but that doesn’t work for me.

 

You sure were quiet when the team was on a roll.

 

I'm not asking you to be an optimist. I was just wondering why you seem to get so upset with people who are.

 

Was the optimism in 2021 under "false pretenses?" In many ways, that team looked worse in March.

 

I'm fine with you choosing doom & gloom. I understand it.

 

You sincerely have nothing to be optimistic about, going forward with the Sox? There is no hope, for you, until you start seeing results?

 

Did you have false hopes in 2019?

 

[moonslav59]

They were on an 84 win pace for most of the season.

 

That's when his posting slowed, and he "stopped watching, because baseball was watered down."

 

Now, that we are losing and Bloom is gone, he's posting a mile a minute and suddenly watching the games, again. I guess MLB is no longer watered down.

[dgalehouse]

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[Old Red]

You sure were quiet when the team was on a roll.

 

I'm not asking you to be an optimist. I was just wondering why you seem to get so upset with people who are.

 

Was the optimism in 2021 under "false pretenses?" In many ways, that team looked worse in March.

 

I'm fine with you choosing doom & gloom. I understand it.

 

You sincerely have nothing to be optimistic about, going forward with the Sox? There is no hope, for you, until you start seeing results?

 

Did you have false hopes in 2019?

 

 

I lost all optimism 4 years ago when Bloom got hired. We’ve already gone through I’m not a cheerleader, and Pom Pom waver, and pump my chest out, and get all giddy when things are going good. Nothing wrong with that, but it saves getting bitten in the ass when the giddy turns to s***** like this year. I’ll wait, and see who the next GM type is, and what he’s allowed to do before I get excited again. It’s going to take more than the infusion of the current crop from the farm where there may be promise, but still lots of questions on all of them.

[Old Red]

That's when his posting slowed, and he "stopped watching, because baseball was watered down."

 

Now, that we are losing and Bloom is gone, he's posting a mile a minute and suddenly watching the games, again. I guess MLB is no longer watered down.

It’s the Red Sox that isn’t gloomed, and doomed by Bloom anymore, and yes BB is still watered down, or weaker, or not as good, or whatever you want to call it. I haven’t watched very much of the Sox, because they are way on the back burner with HS, College, and the NFL going on along with the NASCAR playoffs.

[moonslav59]

I lost all optimism 4 years ago when Bloom got hired. We’ve already gone through I’m not a cheerleader, and Pom Pom waver, and pump my chest out, and get all giddy when things are going good. Nothing wrong with that, but it saves getting bitten in the ass when the giddy turns to s***** like this year. I’ll wait, and see who the next GM type is, and what he’s allowed to do before I get excited again. It’s going to take more than the infusion of the current crop from the farm where there may be promise, but still lots of questions on all of them.

 

So, it's based on fear of being let down, I'm assuming.

Still no answer to as why others' optimism seems to bother you, but I'll settle for one answer.

 

You really had no optimism going into game 6 in the 2021 ALCS?

 

You are more gloom & doom than I thought.

 

Not ever being letdown is a nice benefit, though.

[moonslav59]

It’s the Red Sox that isn’t gloomed, and doomed by Bloom anymore, and yes BB is still watered down, or weaker, or not as good, or whatever you want to call it. I haven’t watched very much of the Sox, because they are way on the back burner with HS, College, and the NFL going on along with the NASCAR playoffs.

 

Okay. I was just going by what you said about watching more baseball, again.

[Old Red]

So, it's based on fear of being let down, I'm assuming.

Still no answer to as why others' optimism seems to bother you, but I'll settle for one answer.

 

You really had no optimism going into game 6 in the 2021 ALCS?

 

You are more gloom & doom than I thought.

 

Not ever being letdown is a nice benefit, though.

 

Nothing to do with fear of being let down, but I guess that’s your conclusion. It doesn’t bother me on your optimism it’s the giddy talk like ragging on the Yankees, which at the time the Red Sox were way ahead of them, or saying Mookie who when Dugy was probably playing over his head, or saying something about No wanting DD back when things looked promising. It’s bitten you in the ass that’s the funny part when things went south, and all fell apart. Don’t mistake bother with LMAO at the thumpers, but not the team results. Who said anything about 2021 ALCS, and not being excited, or optimistic? That was great, and yes even Kike was, but that seems like 10 seasons ago instead of just 2. Bloom was gloom, and doom when he wasn’t saying things were going to be Awesome. Of course someone else will have to make it that way. We’ve beaten this all to death, so let’s just go on to something important like Ohio State, and ND.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Nothing to do with fear of being let down, but I guess that’s your conclusion. It doesn’t bother me on your optimism it’s the giddy talk like ragging on the Yankees, which at the time the Red Sox were way ahead of them, or saying Mookie who when Dugy was probably playing over his head, or saying something about No wanting DD back when things looked promising. It’s bitten you in the ass that’s the funny part when things went south, and all fell apart. Don’t mistake bother with LMAO at the thumpers, but not the team results. Who said anything about 2021 ALCS, and not being excited, or optimistic? That was great, and yes even Kike was, but that seems like 10 seasons ago instead of just 2. Bloom was gloom, and doom when he wasn’t saying things were going to be Awesome. Of course someone else will have to make it that way. We’ve beaten this all to death, so let’s just go on to something important like Ohio State, and ND.

 

You really took those off the cuff statements to heart?

 

Wow!

 

Like I really meant "Mookie who?"

 

Geesh.

 

Wow!

[moonslav59]

Nothing to do with fear of being let down, but I guess that’s your conclusion. It doesn’t bother me on your optimism it’s the giddy talk like ragging on the Yankees, which at the time the Red Sox were way ahead of them, or saying Mookie who when Dugy was probably playing over his head, or saying something about No wanting DD back when things looked promising. It’s bitten you in the ass that’s the funny part when things went south, and all fell apart. Don’t mistake bother with LMAO at the thumpers, but not the team results. Who said anything about 2021 ALCS, and not being excited, or optimistic? That was great, and yes even Kike was, but that seems like 10 seasons ago instead of just 2. Bloom was gloom, and doom when he wasn’t saying things were going to be Awesome. Of course someone else will have to make it that way. We’ve beaten this all to death, so let’s just go on to something important like Ohio State, and ND.

 

BTW, using hyperbole after a great game by Dugo has nothing to do with "optimism."

[notin]

You really took those off the cuff statements to heart?

 

Wow!

 

Like I really meant "Mookie who?"

 

Geesh.

 

Wow!

 

What you meant was “how good would Mookie really be if this league wasn’t so watered down?”

[moonslav59]

What you meant was “how good would Mookie really be if this league wasn’t so watered down?”

 

lmao!

 

He'd be a utility guy on the '07 team.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

lmao!

 

He'd be a utility guy on the '07 team.

 

I would say batboy, but since Mookie was 15 then, he could probably pinch-run for Manny or Papi with the game on the line.

[vjcsmoke]

Good. This is the only message cutthroat businessmen understand— when the seats are empty and it’s affecting their bottom line. Red Sox fans are tired of losing. It was long time coming but we definitely needed a big change.

[moonslav59]

I would say batboy, but since Mookie was 15 then, he could probably pinch-run for Manny or Papi with the game on the line.

 

Good one!

[moonslav59]

Good. This is the only message cutthroat businessmen understand— when the seats are empty and it’s affecting their bottom line. Red Sox fans are tired of losing. It was long time coming but we definitely needed a big change.

 

Change will only be for the good, if the next guy is better and or the team philosophy on spending changes, too.

[Bellhorn04]

Change will only be for the good, if the next guy is better and or the team philosophy on spending changes, too.

 

I think it's safe to say they didn't fire Bloom with the intent of further payroll cuts.

[Old Red]

I think it's safe to say they didn't fire Bloom with the intent of further payroll cuts.

 

They fired Bloom because he sucked with the major league club. I think something, or some things come to light to get fired before the season ended, and what that was I don’t know. I’m not looking for any big spending sprees, but I think some trades will have to be made if the Starting pitching is to get better, and if not the team won’t get any better.

[Bellhorn04]

They fired Bloom because he sucked with the major league club. I think something, or some things come to light to get fired before the season ended, and what that was I don’t know. I’m not looking for any big spending sprees, but I think some trades will have to be made if the Starting pitching is to get better, and if not the team won’t get any better.

 

I like the theory that the empty seats and dirt-cheap tickets for that last Yankees series sealed the deal. That was when Henry realized this might start hurting him in the wallet more than helping.

[Hugh2]

Go big or go home.

 

Give me Blake Snell and Yama. Save Mayer and Anthony for the 2025 World Series team

[Bellhorn04]

Go big or go home.

 

Give me Blake Snell and Yama.

 

Realistically it'll be one of those two at best. One of those two plus Gray or someone more in his price range.

[Hugh2]

Bloom was hired to build “sustainable success” that didn’t mean to not spend and build the farm.

 

He cut payroll, and added payroll that itself may look like dead weight (although Story has a chance to redeem himself). Bloom made good trades, it was just never enough. Even his worse trade wouldn’t have looked as bad if he went out and got a right fielder for 2022, which is what we all thought he would do but he didn’t. That’s the thing, it’s the moves he did not make that hurt the big league club.

 

He was constantly getting outbid because he was unwilling to go a single penny above his evaluation and that left holes on the team, and when they should of been sellers at the deadline he sat pat because he didn’t get the sweet deal he wanted.

 

JDM/Nate should have been traded at last years deadline. Not only would they have a stronger farm, but they would have had a better draft in 2023.

 

They should have traded Turner/Paxton at this years deadline.

 

Yes he built up the farm, but the farm could have been even stronger. The farm could have been so strong he would have had the capital to trade for a legit starting pitcher and deplete our farm to as strong as it is right now.

 

Bloom did some great things at spending money outside of payroll, expanding the scouting department and adding personnel, and that may have a long term positive effects on this team. I thank him for that, I’ve been calling for that for years and did not realize to what extent they had pumped resources into that field.

 

I won’t kick Bloom on the way out, and I find some of the stories coming out now distasteful and blatant smear coming from the FO in an attempt to exonerate themselves from the last 4 years. The Chris Sale story, putting Betts on him. It stinks, it stinks of ********. I grew up on farm folks….I know the smell of ********.

 

But it’s blatantly obvious Bloom didn’t have the nerve to go big. Here’s to hoping Henry is ready to open up that wallet and build a big league club

[Hugh2]

Realistically it'll be one of those two at best. One of those two plus Gray or someone more in his price range.

 

That would be more realistic.

 

But don’t destroy my dream!

[Old Red]

I like the theory that the empty seats and dirt-cheap tickets for that last Yankees series sealed the deal. That was when Henry realized this might start hurting him in the wallet more than helping.

 

It might be. It just seemed the firing came out of nowhere, and caught everyone by surprise.