Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

I'm also not sure he'd be decisive enough to make that Slaten trade.

[moonslav59]

Some of these pitchers look okay to decent and might have some upside, but I'm really not seeing a big difference from... (in foresight not hindsight)

Jansen

Martin

Kluber

Wyatt Mills

Bleier (for Barnes)

Wacha

Hill

Strahm

Diekman

Denlinger

[Dipre]

Not much has changed under Brez, so far, except Giolito could stay for 2 years, if he sucks.

 

Brez pitching additions:

Giolito FA

Isaiah Campbell Trade

Richard Fitts Trade

Justin Slaten Rule 5

Greg Weissert Trade

Cooper Criswell FA

Max Castillo Waivers

Nicholas Judice Trade

Jorge Benitez & Helcris Olivarez MiLFAs

 

(I probably missed one or two)

 

 

Breslow hasn't even had a full offseason at the helm, what the hell

[moonslav59]

Breslow hasn't even had a full offseason at the helm, what the hell

 

Yes, of course. I'm just saying I don't see much difference in his pitching additions, so far.

 

It looks like no Monty, Snell or Imanaga, so adding Stroman doesn't move the needle much more than Gio, for me.

 

I'm cutting him some slack. I've made no final judgments, and won't even after opening day, but so far, it looks like more of the same in many ways.

 

I like his decisiveness more. Trading Sale, Dugo and Urias was probably something Bloom would not do.

 

I like The O'Neill trade and Grissom is growing on me. We have a ways to go to look better than last year's last place team.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not much has changed under Brez, so far, except Giolito could stay for 2 years, if he sucks.

 

Brez pitching additions:

Giolito FA

Isaiah Campbell Trade

Richard Fitts Trade

Justin Slaten Rule 5

Greg Weissert Trade

Cooper Criswell FA

Max Castillo Waivers

Nicholas Judice Trade

Jorge Benitez & Helcris Olivarez MiLFAs

 

(I probably missed one or two)

 

 

If you stacked all those guys in a booth at a Sunday flea market, there's a new exec in St. Louis that may buy them off you... but only a minute before closing time at clearance prices.

[Old Red]

Yes, of course. I'm just saying I don't see much difference in his pitching additions, so far.

 

It looks like no Monty, Snell or Imanaga, so adding Stroman doesn't move the needle much more than Gio, for me.

 

I'm cutting him some slack. I've made no final judgments, and won't even after opening day, but so far, it looks like more of the same in many ways.

 

I like his decisiveness more. Trading Sale, Dugo and Urias was probably something Bloom would not do.

 

I like The O'Neill trade and Grissom is growing on me. We have a ways to go to look better than last year's last place team.

 

That’s awfully nice of you coming from a Bloom guy.

[Dipre]

That’s awfully nice of you coming from a Bloom guy.

 

Why do you have to be such an insufferable douchebag all the time? I can at least turn it on and off.

[harmony]

Podcaster Robbie Hyde offers five trade proposals involving Masataka Yoshida:

 

[moonslav59]

Podcaster Robbie Hyde offers five trade proposals involving Masataka Yoshida:

 

 

So, basically trade Yoshida and sign Soler (RHB) for less.

 

Add some cash (maybe up to $12M?)

 

1. To LAA for Siltheth (maybe w Ben Joyce or prospect) May add Jansen or Yorke and get Sandoval.

 

2.To SFG for Winnn & Whisenhunt (#3 prospect) or other

 

3. TO CHC for Wesneski and Ben Brown (#5prospect)

 

4. To SDP for Cosgrove RP and Dillon Head (#9 prospect) Later, trade Jansen.

 

5. to MIA ($16M) for Cabrera

to MIA w Duran and Yorke ($16M) for Luzardo

to MIA w Bleis, Yorke, Rafaela ($16M) for Luzardo

to MIA w Mayer and Yorke ($12M) for Luzardo

 

Yoshida, Bleis, Rafaela and Yorke for Luzardo and Av Garcia ($12M to BOS) to DH

 

 

[mvp 78]

Podcaster Robbie Hyde offers five trade proposals involving Masataka Yoshida:

 

 

"At the very least, even if you don’t agree with BTV, it’s a good tool to make you stop and think what exactly is making up the value of a player and the entire package that comes along with it. I’ve said many times that BTV is not the end all be all, but it’s good tool to help the bridge the gap in understanding player values and how trades can be responsibly created." - Robbie Hyde

[mvp 78]

So, basically trade Yoshida and sign Soler (RHB) for less.

 

Add some cash (maybe up to $12M?)

 

1. To LAA for Siltheth (maybe w Ben Joyce or prospect) May add Jansen or Yorke and get Sandoval.

 

2.To SFG for Winnn & Whisenhunt (#3 prospect) or other

 

3. TO CHC for Wesneski and Ben Brown (#5prospect)

 

4. To SDP for Cosgrove RP and Dillon Head (#9 prospect) Later, trade Jansen.

 

5. to MIA ($16M) for Cabrera

to MIA w Duran and Yorke ($16M) for Luzardo

to MIA w Bleis, Yorke, Rafaela ($16M) for Luzardo

to MIA w Mayer and Yorke ($12M) for Luzardo

 

Yoshida, Bleis, Rafaela and Yorke for Luzardo and Av Garcia ($12M to BOS) to DH

 

 

 

I can't say that I know any of the prospects in 1-4 so hard to judge those trades. Tempting to dump that contract even tough I believe he should bounce back this season.

 

As for 5:

 

No to Cabrera

Ok on the Luzardo trade 1, 2 and 4

[moonslav59]

"At the very least, even if you don’t agree with BTV, it’s a good tool to make you stop and think what exactly is making up the value of a player and the entire package that comes along with it. I’ve said many times that BTV is not the end all be all, but it’s good tool to help the bridge the gap in understanding player values and how trades can be responsibly created." - Robbie Hyde

 

Do you like any of the trades suggested by this guy? (the ones I presented.)

 

I like the...

 

Yoshida + $16M ($4m/yr)

Duran

Yorke

 

for

 

Luzardo (3 years of control at arb rates)

[moonslav59]

I can't say that I know any of the prospects in 1-4 so hard to judge those trades. Tempting to dump that contract even tough I believe he should bounce back this season.

 

As for 5:

 

No to Cabrera

Ok on the Luzardo trade 1, 2 and 4

 

I saw this after my post.

 

I like the Yoshida and Yorke for Sandoval idea, but am okay with the other SFG trade presented.

#2 and #4 look okay, to me.

 

I really like Luzardo, and also think Garrett's 5 years of control looks very enticing.

 

I agree that Yoshida should improve, especially if he DHs more than 40-50% of the time.

 

If freeing up some budget space is what is keeping us from signing another SP, then it's worth it, to me. Sad, but true, it seems.

 

I know I'm dreaming, but if freeing up $14M a year x 4 for Yoshida is enough for us to sign Money, and we end up with Luzardo in the Yoshi trade, I'm back to being an optimist. The budget part seems to work. If we have to trade Jansen, too, I'm still feeling a lot better.

[mvp 78]

I saw this after my post.

 

I like the Yoshida and Yorke for Sandoval idea, but am okay with the other SFG trade presented.

#2 and #4 look okay, to me.

 

I really like Luzardo, and also think Garrett's 5 years of control looks very enticing.

 

I agree that Yoshida should improve, especially if he DHs more than 40-50% of the time.

 

If freeing up some budget space is what is keeping us from signing another SP, then it's worth it, to me. Sad, but true, it seems.

 

I know I'm dreaming, but if freeing up $14M a year x 4 for Yoshida is enough for us to sign Money, and we end up with Luzardo in the Yoshi trade, I'm back to being an optimist. The budget part seems to work. If we have to trade Jansen, too, I'm still feeling a lot better.

 

I don't think Sandoval is that good so I'm not interested in him.

 

My worry is that they hold onto Masa, sign Soler, and Masa's overuse in LF causes his 2nd year bump to be lower than we'd like.

 

They should probably deal Jansen if they are bringing back additional SP's and pushing Houck/Whitlock to the bullpen. He's not a long term commitment.

[moonslav59]

I don't think Sandoval is that good so I'm not interested in him.

 

I might like Sandoval more than you, but I'm low on Yorke. Adding him to get Sandoval seems worth it.

[moonslav59]

My worry is that they hold onto Masa, sign Soler, and Masa's overuse in LF causes his 2nd year bump to be lower than we'd like.

 

I fear the same thing.

 

IMO, if we sign Soler, we have to trade Yoshi, IMO.

[notin]

I can't say that I know any of the prospects in 1-4 so hard to judge those trades. Tempting to dump that contract even tough I believe he should bounce back this season.

 

As for 5:

 

No to Cabrera

Ok on the Luzardo trade 1, 2 and 4

 

Cabrera isn’t a wish list; he’s a prediction. Assuming Breslow’s love affair with radar gun readings is as accurate as we are lead to believe. Cabrera is one of the hardest throwing SPs out there.

[notin]

I fear the same thing.

 

IMO, if we sign Soler, we have to trade Yoshi, IMO.

 

f*** Soler.

 

Bring back Duvall. Soler is a hitter, but Duvall is a player…

[notin]

I fear the same thing.

 

IMO, if we sign Soler, we have to trade Yoshi, IMO.

 

The Rays have made RHH Harold Ramirez available. He’s spent a lot of time at DH, but his defensive numbers don’t have any red flags in limited action. He’s has a 121 OPS+ over the last 2 years in Tampa. Also has 2 years left. And he fits Henry’s budget!

[mvp 78]

I fear the same thing.

 

IMO, if we sign Soler, we have to trade Yoshi, IMO.

 

They have told a few FA's that they need to clear $$$ before signing the next few guys and floated Masa, Jansen and Story. If you sit back and think about it, this is what a team would do if they were doing a fire sale and punting.

[mvp 78]

Cabrera isn’t a wish list; he’s a prediction. Assuming Breslow’s love affair with radar gun readings is as accurate as we are lead to believe. Cabrera is one of the hardest throwing SPs out there.

 

At least get a guy that can stick in the rotation though. Cabrera was all over the place last year.

[mvp 78]

f*** Soler.

 

Bring back Duvall. Soler is a hitter, but Duvall is a player…

 

Or just give up on the idea of bringing either in. Use that money on the rotation.

[mvp 78]

The Rays have made RHH Harold Ramirez available. He’s spent a lot of time at DH, but his defensive numbers don’t have any red flags in limited action. He’s has a 121 OPS+ over the last 2 years in Tampa. Also has 2 years left. And he fits Henry’s budget!

 

-6 DRS in 250ish innings at 1B. Can't play there.

 

-13 DRS in 1900ish innings in OF. Why the f*** did CLE put him in CF?

[moonslav59]

Or just give up on the idea of bringing either in. Use that money on the rotation.

 

It seems like it's the "long" part of large & long the Sox have issues with, especially with pitchers.

 

The AAV seems to work, but we won't get good pitching for 1-2 year deals like Gio, Kluber, Richards, Paxton and Perez take. It's the 1-2 years that Soler and Duval will take that brightens up JH's eyes.

[moonslav59]

-6 DRS in 250ish innings at 1B. Can't play there.

 

-13 DRS in 1900ish innings in OF. Why the f*** did CLE put him in CF?

 

If we trade Yoshida, he could be the semi-FT DH.

 

He may suck on D at 1B, but we have nobody as a back-up now.

 

DRS

-6 Ramirez (279 innings)

-6 Casas (granted, over 1235 innings not 279)

 

UZR/150

-9.6 HRam (BTW, he had a plus UZR/150 in CF)

+1.2 Casas

 

OAA

-4 HRam (way less innings)

-6 Dalbec

-9 Casas

 

[mvp 78]

It seems like it's the "long" part of large & long the Sox have issues with, especially with pitchers.

 

The AAV seems to work, but we won't get good pitching for 1-2 year deals like Gio, Kluber, Richards, Paxton and Perez take. It's the 1-2 years that Soler and Duval will take that brightens up JH's eyes.

 

Has Duvall even been linked to the Sox? I heard Turner hasn't been contacted by the Sox this offseason.

[Bellhorn04]

Cabrera isn’t a wish list; he’s a prediction. Assuming Breslow’s love affair with radar gun readings is as accurate as we are lead to believe. Cabrera is one of the hardest throwing SPs out there.

 

"Breslow's love affair with the radar gun" is probably just another fun and meaningless thing to say, though, since he signed Criswell who isn't a hard thrower AFAIK.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"Breslow's love affair with the radar gun" is probably just another fun and meaningless thing to say, though, since he signed Criswell who isn't a hard thrower AFAIK.

 

Be nice. He may be a Cri baby, but at least he's good at something.

[mvp 78]

"Breslow's love affair with the radar gun" is probably just another fun and meaningless thing to say, though, since he signed Criswell who isn't a hard thrower AFAIK.

 

Wrong! He signed Criswell to light up the radar gun too.

 

AVG Exit Velo: 87th percentile!

[moonslav59]

Has Duvall even been linked to the Sox? I heard Turner hasn't been contacted by the Sox this offseason.

 

I have not heard a peep about the Sox & Duvall. I mentioned him, because I think he can play RF much better than Soler and maybe better than O'Neill.

 

I'd be fine, if we sign neither.

 

If we trade Yoshi, I think either would be okay.