Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Duran Is The Man]

Brez may have gotten outbid for Lugo by the small-market Royals ($45 Million... dollars?)... but at least our totally different, brand new CBO was able to land Crispy Cooper for a cool mil. For that lowvalulehighupside sleeper, Craig had to outbid all no-market teams.

 

This is the new regime. Well, now, they call me the Brez; I keep rolling down the road...

 

Coooper Criswell? AYFKM? Gotdamn Henry.

[Dipre]

Coooper Criswell? AYFKM? Gotdamn Henry.

 

Does that 1 mm signing stop the Red Sox from making other moves?

[Duran Is The Man]

Does that 1 mm signing stop the Red Sox from making other moves?

 

something is stopping them because they sure as f*** aren't doing it.

[Dipre]

Jesus Christ

[moonslav59]

something is stopping them because they sure as f*** aren't doing it.

 

It’s not this stopping them.

[Duran Is The Man]

Jesus Christ

 

were you born an arrogant f***ing prick or is this something you learned as an entitled attorney?

[Dipre]

were you born an arrogant f***ing prick or is this something you learned as an entitled attorney?

 

Got it from college mate. But at least I'm not an insufferable dumbass.

[Duran Is The Man]

It’s not this stopping them.

 

i know that. but something has turned JH into a greedy f***ing dick that is content with finishing last every year.

[Dipre]

The Dodgers are trying to trade for Tyler Glasnow from the Rays. Dude makes good on the first part of his last name, but when healthy, he's dynamite. He should be a Red Sox target.

[moonslav59]

i know that. but something has turned JH into a greedy f***ing dick that is content with finishing last every year.

 

That Devers extension was just chump change, right?

[mvp 78]

Gray, ERod and Lugo were all on our list of secondary acquisitions. That list is shrinking, and we still haven't made the primary acquisition.

 

Because the player isn't ready to sign. We know this already. How is the player's timeline the fault of Crag and ownership?

[mvp 78]

It's not a pipe dream if Henry wants to do it. That's literally the only obstacle, and he has reasons to actually want to do it now. Namely, if they don't make a splash, the cash cow status of this team will be damaged. It's all about the bottom line.

 

If they don't sign Yamamoto, it just shows that all the FULL THROTTLE stuff was BS.

[mvp 78]

That’s true, and DD added some pieces, and I agree JH needs to spend, but I’m not so sure that the Red Sox are as likely to be as good with the young talent coming that is hyped up on here all the time. Not Mookie, Raffy, and Bogey good anyways.

 

Good talent evaluator are you?

[mvp 78]

Sure, but the negative opinions on the Red Sox had never reached this level. They are getting burned by media and fans everywhere. They have a market research team. 2023 damaged this brand. If he doesn't spend to fix it, he's a f***ing idiot.

 

Do you not remember TalkSox of 2012 good sir?

[mvp 78]

The Dodgers are trying to trade for Tyler Glasnow from the Rays. Dude makes good on the first part of his last name, but when healthy, he's dynamite. He should be a Red Sox target.

 

If they get Glasnow, does it take Yamamoto off the board for them or no?

[vjcsmoke]

Teams are spending more because the revenue is there.

 

What is this revenue you speak of?

 

We are the Red Sox. A big market team run like a small market team!

 

Big salaries must be dumped! Spending must be cut! Everything must go!

 

Free agents? FORGET about it!

 

We need to spend the LEAST money possible while still getting those dumb monkeys, err fans to buy our tickets and overpriced beers and parking!

[mvp 78]

What is this revenue you speak of?

 

We are the Red Sox. A big market team run like a small market team!

 

Big salaries must be dumped! Spending must be cut! Everything must go!

 

Free agents? FORGET about it!

 

We need to spend the LEAST money possible while still getting those dumb monkeys, err fans to buy our tickets and overpriced beers and parking!

 

It was telling that last offseason Henry was more angry at Cohen than at all the little market owners who take revenue and don't spend on their own payroll. Which is worse for the game? Which is worse for Henry's checkbook? +1 Miser

[Bellhorn04]

The Dodgers are trying to trade for Tyler Glasnow from the Rays. Dude makes good on the first part of his last name, but when healthy, he's dynamite. He should be a Red Sox target.

 

Too late, sounds like it's nearly a done deal.

[Bellhorn04]

If they don't sign Yamamoto, it just shows that all the FULL THROTTLE stuff was BS.

 

Maybe Werner spoke out of turn and Henry reprimanded him for it.

 

Remember the reset button thing a few years ago?

[Bellhorn04]

If they get Glasnow, does it take Yamamoto off the board for them or no?

 

Who knows? Glasnow is only for one year, they've had a lot of losses in their rotation, and they are obviously not freaked out about paying luxury tax...

[moonslav59]

Maybe Werner spoke out of turn and Henry reprimanded him for it.

 

Remember the reset button thing a few years ago?

 

He only said it once, right?

[Bellhorn04]

He only said it once, right?

 

As far as I know, yes.

[Old Red]

Good talent evaluator are you?

 

I’ve seen enough through the years starting with all the homegrown talent from the 67 team to the Rice, Lynne, Evans, and Fisk teams right up to the Mookie, Bogey, and Raffy teams. Now if you can see better than me that the Mayer, Teel Anthony, and whomever else you want to throw in there that has hype is going to be the next group that takes the Red Sox to the promise land then I hope your right., but if not what have you got then?

[mvp 78]

I’ve seen enough through the years starting with all the homegrown talent from the 67 team to the Rice, Lynne, Evans, and Fisk teams right up to the Mookie, Bogey, and Raffy teams. Now if you can see better than me that the Mayer, Teel Anthony, and whomever else you want to throw in there that has hype is going to be the next group that takes the Red Sox to the promise land then I hope your right., but if not what have you got then?

 

When Mookie was 19, he was OPS'ing under 700 in Low A. Anthony OPS'd 981 at High A at the same age. Teel was putting up numbers closer to Adley Rutschman than Jason Varitek in his small sample. I'm not sure why you can't get excited at least about those two guys.

[mvp 78]

Maybe Werner spoke out of turn and Henry reprimanded him for it.

 

Remember the reset button thing a few years ago?

 

Werner wants to win and wants to spend. He's at the opposite end of the spectrum from Henry.

[Dipre]

When Mookie was 19, he was OPS'ing under 700 in Low A. Anthony OPS'd 981 at High A at the same age. Teel was putting up numbers closer to Adley Rutschman than Jason Varitek in his small sample. I'm not sure why you can't get excited at least about those two guys.

 

Because woe is him.

[Old Red]

When Mookie was 19, he was OPS'ing under 700 in Low A. Anthony OPS'd 981 at High A at the same age. Teel was putting up numbers closer to Adley Rutschman than Jason Varitek in his small sample. I'm not sure why you can't get excited at least about those two guys.

 

All I’ve said is that I’m not sure these guys will live up to the hype that you, and others are counting on. Just like I think it’s a very risky proposition to go into next season with a core group in the OF of Raf Man, and Abreu. Not to mention Duran. If all these guys work out then great, but I want to see it first.

[mvp 78]

All I’ve said is that I’m not sure these guys will live up to the hype that you, and others are counting on. Just like I think it’s a very risky proposition to go into next season with a core group in the OF of Raf Man, and Abreu. Not to mention Duran. If all these guys work out then great, but I want to see it first.

 

I'm not saying to count on it, just not to always be content to wallow in your own misery day in and day out.

 

I agree that they need to spend in the short term to cover for any current inadequacies on the 26 man roster until there are viable in house replacements. However, I'm not sure offense should be the biggest concern. If they just spent big on the starting rotation, I think the team would do pretty well.

[moonslav59]

I’ve seen enough through the years starting with all the homegrown talent from the 67 team to the Rice, Lynne, Evans, and Fisk teams right up to the Mookie, Bogey, and Raffy teams. Now if you can see better than me that the Mayer, Teel Anthony, and whomever else you want to throw in there that has hype is going to be the next group that takes the Red Sox to the promise land then I hope your right., but if not what have you got then?

 

Of course the value is speculative, in nature, as it was back then, too.

 

If these guys are all busts, we're in big trouble, for sure. If two are busts, it will be very hard for us to compete, going forward, unless other unsung prospects fill their voids. Remember, guys like Betts were not really even on the radar, early in their farm days. He joined our farm in 2011 and did not crack the top 20, until the winter of 2013 (at #10.)

 

We all saw how the vaunted Ben farm did not do all that well, so your concerns are well founded, but for the most part, the national rankings of players and team farms are right more than they are wrong. Yes, it's a gamble to count on the farm, but it's also a gamble on signing major free agents, especially someone like Yamo, who has no ML experience.

 

I'm excited by our farm. Maybe, because there has not been much else to get excited about, but there was a concerted effort to build up the farm for a long time. We have not traded a major prospect since Moncada (#1), Espinoza (#3) and maybe Kopech (#5) That was like 6 years ago. The big club suffered, some, as a result of this hoarding and making more trades for prospects than ones trading them away.

 

It is what it is. Every choice GMs make are gambles. Some seem riskier than others, but building up a farm has a pretty good track record, when you look at how the best teams in MLB have gotten that way, over the years. Did we build up the right way, or not?

 

We should know in the next few years.

 

Anthony, Mayer and Teel look like the best 3 we've had in the system (not in hindsight,) since maybe...

 

(from soxprospects rankings)

 

2015 Summer:

1. ERod (not our farm developed)

2. Moncada

3. Devers

7. Beni

 

2015 Fall:

1. Moncada

2. Devers

3. Espinoza

4. Margot

5. Beni

7. Kopech

 

2005:

1 HRam

2. Papelbon

3. Pedey

4. A Sanchez

5. Lester

 

2006

1. jake

2. Buch

4. Pedey

 

2014:

1. Bogey

2. JBJ

10. Betts (not sure we can count him without using hindsight)

 

2012

1. Bogey

2. Barnes

3. JBJ

 

Calling them suspects is fine. They are, but no matter how pessimistic you can get, our farm looks pretty good, right now.

 

I'm feeling pretty good about our 4-10 prospects and see a lot of promise in those beyond #10, although many will fail. I'm very high on...

4. Rafaela & 8. Abreu (only one needs to shine)

5. Bleis

10. Cespedes

7. Perales & 9. Wikelman (hopefully, one shines)

Maybe Yorke surprises me.

 

We can choose to be optimistic about these kids, or not. In this case, many "experts" agree that this is a very promising group of prospects, and many are ML ready or a year away.

[moonslav59]

Werner wants to win and wants to spend. He's at the opposite end of the spectrum from Henry.

 

Werner has money, too. Can't he kick in his own chump change?