Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

Once again where does it say JH doesn’t care about the Red Sox? You are doing the reading into something that happens all the time on here, and running with it rather it’s the point, or not. Doesn’t have as much interest in the Red Sox, or having no interest at all are two different things. How many other adventures did JH have when he bought the Red Sox? How many other adventures does he have now? Is there not a difference? PGA is the latest adventure, so if you still think that JH has as much interest in the Red Sox as when he first bought the Red Sox that’s fine, and we just disagree, but it’s not something that should take up this much time, and effort. Nothing wrong at all with disagreeing. No harm. No foul.

 

What is the point of him having an interest in PGA then? What's the point of bringing it up? Just more pissing in the wind I guess?

[Bellhorn04]

What is the point of him having an interest in PGA then? What's the point of bringing it up? Just more pissing in the wind I guess?

 

Fenway Sports Group does have a lot going on. Is it hurting the Red Sox? I don't know, but I'm not sure it can be ruled out any more, when you look at what's been going on with the Sox payroll.

[moonslav59]

You are doing the reading into something that happens all the time on here, and running with it rather it’s the point, or not.

 

Like when I said we might be spoiled, you answered, You still don’t get it at all. Spoiled? How does not liking finishing in last place 3 out of the last 4 years being spoiled?

 

Where did I equate "not liking" finishing in last place 3 of 4 years to being spoiled. You took it to that point. It wasn't even close to the point I was making.

 

Everything is black and white to you, then you fall back on, "we all have our opinions" BS.

 

Many expect JH to spend whatever it takes to win.

Many expect our GMs to get things right, almost all the time, and if we don't beat out 20 other teams enough time, head must roll. To me, you can be pissed at GM incompetence. You can be upset the filthy rich owner doesn't spend enough, but join the club of other team fans that lose more than the win.

 

It's my opinion, Sox fans feel entitled to win every few years, or the blame game kicks into hyperdrive. I admit, I do it, too, sometimes, but to me, this can be seen as being spoiled.

 

When the team had not won a ring in 80+ years, I did not get the sense of Sox fan entitlement. I think we got spoiled, once we won 1, 2 then 3 rings. After the 4th ring, it seems to be expected, or else.

 

Just my opinion. Cue: how the big corner disagrees and I'm in a tiny minority who refuses to understand other disagree beyond what I read, here.

 

[Old Red]

What is the point of him having an interest in PGA then? What's the point of bringing it up? Just more pissing in the wind I guess?

 

Bringing up the PGA is JH latest adventure, so it’s pretty self explanatory. Latest adventure that JH now has going going of the many adventures that JH has going since he bought the Red Sox that for some reason you don’t think matters, and can’t see why JH just might not have the same interest in the Red Sox that he once had. It’s been brought up many times, and was was just the other day when the PGA thing came up, but I guess you just don’t venture out to the same outlets that I do, and if you did you would have heard it many times from many different people.

[moonslav59]

Fenway Sports Group does have a lot going on. Is it hurting the Red Sox? I don't know, but I'm not sure it can be ruled out any more, when you look at what's been going on with the Sox payroll.

 

What is going on with the Sox payroll?

 

The real problem is what's going on with more and more other teams' payrolls.

 

CB Tax lines: (from 2004-2011, pre CB Tax, it was $116M to $174M)

$Millions

178 in '12

178 '13

186 '14

199 '15

204 '16

192 '17

239 '18

244 '19

185 '20

208 '21

236 '22

222 '23

 

The Devers extension kicks in in 2024 and the tax line is $237M in 2024.

[moonslav59]

Bringing up the PGA is JH latest adventure, so it’s pretty self explanatory. Latest adventure that JH now has going going of the many adventures that JH has going since he bought the Red Sox that for some reason you don’t think matters, and can’t see why JH just might not have the same interest in the Red Sox that he once had. It’s been brought up many times, and was was just the other day when the PGA thing came up, but I guess you just don’t venture out to the same outlets that I do, and if you did you would have heard it many times from many different people.

 

Will you stop this whole you are the only worldly one on this site, unless we "see and hear" what you do?

 

I used to chuckle at it. Now it's tiring and boring.

 

 

 

[notin]

And Logan Webb's development.

 

Maybe the Sox can sign someone like Giolito or Mahle or Zac Plesac and Bailey can morph him into Gausman 2.0…

[Bellhorn04]

What is going on with the Sox payroll?

 

The real problem is what's going on with more and more other teams' payrolls.

 

That's the whole point. We're the #3 franchise in market value and gross revenue, but we're now outside the top ten in payroll.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe the Sox can sign someone like Giolito or Mahle or Zac Plesac and Bailey can morph him into Gausman 2.0…

 

We can always dream. Like we dreamed Bloom was a pitching savant who was going to make more out of less.

[mvp 78]

Bringing up the PGA is JH latest adventure, so it’s pretty self explanatory. Latest adventure that JH now has going going of the many adventures that JH has going since he bought the Red Sox that for some reason you don’t think matters, and can’t see why JH just might not have the same interest in the Red Sox that he once had. It’s been brought up many times, and was was just the other day when the PGA thing came up, but I guess you just don’t venture out to the same outlets that I do, and if you did you would have heard it many times from many different people.

 

"It's self explanatory." Then explain it. I tried to connect the dots and was shouted down. Bellhorn says it may affect payroll, are you disagreeing with him?

 

What's the point of posting it? What's his interest in the PGA have to do with the Red Sox?

[notin]

We can always dream. Like we dreamed Bloom was a pitching savant who was going to make more out of less.

 

Hey the man turned two aging, rapidly declining relievers into a very serviceable Nick Pivetta. That’s not so bad..

[jad]

Like when I said we might be spoiled, you answered, You still don’t get it at all. Spoiled? How does not liking finishing in last place 3 out of the last 4 years being spoiled?

 

Where did I equate "not liking" finishing in last place 3 of 4 years to being spoiled. You took it to that point. It wasn't even close to the point I was making.

 

Everything is black and white to you, then you fall back on, "we all have our opinions" BS.

 

Many expect JH to spend whatever it takes to win.

Many expect our GMs to get things right, almost all the time, and if we don't beat out 20 other teams enough time, head must roll. To me, you can be pissed at GM incompetence. You can be upset the filthy rich owner doesn't spend enough, but join the club of other team fans that lose more than the win.

 

It's my opinion, Sox fans feel entitled to win every few years, or the blame game kicks into hyperdrive. I admit, I do it, too, sometimes, but to me, this can be seen as being spoiled.

 

When the team had not won a ring in 80+ years, I did not get the sense of Sox fan entitlement. I think we got spoiled, once we won 1, 2 then 3 rings. After the 4th ring, it seems to be expected, or else.

 

Just my opinion. Cue: how the big corner disagrees and I'm in a tiny minority who refuses to understand other disagree beyond what I read, here.

 

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Say what?

[mvp 78]

Maybe the Sox can sign someone like Giolito or Mahle or Zac Plesac and Bailey can morph him into Gausman 2.0…

 

Giolito has been good before. I wouldn't want to count on it though. He needs to be the second pitcher acquired after a realistic higher end option.

[mvp 78]

Hey the man turned two aging, rapidly declining relievers into a very serviceable Nick Pivetta. That’s not so bad..

 

Two good trades in four years didn't cut the mustard just the cheese!

[moonslav59]

That's the whole point. We're the #3 franchise in market value and gross revenue, but we're now outside the top ten in payroll.

 

Yes, but not because JH spent less than other years. Our payroll has been top 4 in Sox history in 2 of the last 3 seasons.

 

It's been top 5 in the last 3 seasons (not adjusted for inflation, granted.)

 

Other teams are spending like maniacs, and we get pissed Jh won't.

[notin]

Bringing up the PGA is JH latest adventure, so it’s pretty self explanatory. Latest adventure that JH now has going going of the many adventures that JH has going since he bought the Red Sox that for some reason you don’t think matters, and can’t see why JH just might not have the same interest in the Red Sox that he once had. It’s been brought up many times, and was was just the other day when the PGA thing came up, but I guess you just don’t venture out to the same outlets that I do, and if you did you would have heard it many times from many different people.

 

Is the whole argument that he’s expanding his business interests with the same capital? Or not enough capital to handle the new collection of opportunities? If so, FSG is going to take a bath on all fronts.

 

Or maybe his new interest in the PGA includes the proper budget to do what needs to be done properly…

[moonslav59]

Say what?

 

Red's Big Corner, where he goes to hear what the "true" pulse of Sox Nation thinks is the final arbiter.

 

None of us can possibly know what a wide variety of opinions exists outside our little corner at Talksox.

 

We all need to just get out more, and we'll see the light and agree with Red on everything. The majority of Sox Nation or what he thinks the majority thinks can never be wrong...

 

(I don't want to bother putting this in green.)

 

[notin]

Two good trades in four years didn't cut the mustard just the cheese!

 

I think he had more than two good trades.

 

My problem was he stopped trying to make any trades..

[notin]

Giolito has been good before. I wouldn't want to count on it though. He needs to be the second pitcher acquired after a realistic higher end option.

 

Sign Montgomery.

 

Trade Rafaela for Edward Cabrera and let Bailey fix him…

[moonslav59]

Is the whole argument that he’s expanding his business interests with the same capital? Or not enough capital to handle the new collection of opportunities? If so, FSG is going to take a bath on all fronts.

 

Or maybe his new interest in the PGA includes the proper budget to do what needs to be done properly…

 

The only successful businessmen are those who concentrate all of their resources into just one venture.

 

Thus spoke The Big Corner.

[moonslav59]

I think he had more than two good trades.

 

My problem was he stopped trying to make any trades..

 

His big signings have not paid off, either (yet.)

 

The Schwarber trade was good.

The Pivetta trade was mentioned.

Abreu and EValdez for 2 months of Vaz looks good.

McGuire for a salary dump was okay.

Wink for Beni & Gambrell might work out well.

 

He's had a few bad ones, too, especially JBJ.

[Old Red]

"It's self explanatory." Then explain it. I tried to connect the dots and was shouted down. Bellhorn says it may affect payroll, are you disagreeing with him?

 

What's the point of posting it? What's his interest in the PGA have to do with the Red Sox?

 

I don’t know if other adventures affects the Red Sox payroll, or not, but I take it they all have their separate pools of money, but I don’t know that for sure.

Like I keep asking does JH have a lot more other adventures, or interests going on today than when he bought the Red Sox. The fact is he does, and all I’m saying is that with all these other adventures JH just doesn’t have as much interest in the Red Sox as he used to. The PGA adventure was just brought up a couple days ago both on radio, and TV, and it had the same opinion as I do as more outside interests, and with more outside interests going on its less interest in the Red Sox.

[mvp 78]

Sign Montgomery.

 

Trade Rafaela for Edward Cabrera and let Bailey fix him…

 

Not sure Bailey can force him to throw strikes.

[mvp 78]

I don’t know if other adventures affects the Red Sox payroll, or not, but I take it they all have their separate pools of money, but I don’t know that for sure.

Like I keep asking does JH have a lot more other adventures, or interests going on today than when he bought the Red Sox. The fact is he does, and all I’m saying is that with all these other adventures JH just doesn’t have as much interest in the Red Sox as he used to. The PGA adventure was just brought up a couple days ago both on radio, and TV, and it had the same opinion as I do as more outside interests, and with more outside interests going on its less interest in the Red Sox.

 

and therefore?

[mvp 78]

His big signings have not paid off, either (yet.)

 

The Schwarber trade was good.

The Pivetta trade was mentioned.

Abreu and EValdez for 2 months of Vaz looks good.

McGuire for a salary dump was okay.

Wink for Beni & Gambrell might work out well.

 

He's had a few bad ones, too, especially JBJ.

 

3, I forgot about Schwarber.

 

'20 Pivetta/Seabold for Hembree/Workman

'21 Schwarber for Aldo

'22 Abreu/Valdez for Vazquez

[Old Red]

and therefore?

 

Therefore we disagree.

[Bellhorn04]

Hey the man turned two aging, rapidly declining relievers into a very serviceable Nick Pivetta. That’s not so bad..

 

Yes, that one was good.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, but not because JH spent less than other years. Our payroll has been top 4 in Sox history in 2 of the last 3 seasons.

 

It's been top 5 in the last 3 seasons (not adjusted for inflation, granted.)

 

Other teams are spending like maniacs, and we get pissed Jh won't.

 

Teams are spending more because the revenue is there.

[mvp 78]

Therefore we disagree.

 

About what? You haven't stated anything yet.

[moonslav59]

Teams are spending more because the revenue is there.

 

Some of these teams have not seen revenue jumps that match their spending jumps, percentage wise.

 

I'm thinking NYM and TEX.

 

The Dodgers mint money from their TV contract. They are in a class by themselves.