Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[moonslav59]

New, like expansion teams? The Red Sox look like an expansion team: lots of one or two-tool position players, pitching staff of oldsters and youngsters -- but no one in his primester.

 

Yes, one is the Carolina Confederates & the other is the California Homeless Hobos.

[moonslav59]

RIP U.L. Washington.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, one is the Carolina Confederates & the other is the California Homeless Hobos.

 

No politics, dagnabit!

[Duran Is The Man]

No politics, dagnabit!

 

how about the Tennessee Distillers and the Las Vegas Hookers?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

how about the Tennessee Distillers and the Las Vegas Hookers?

 

Much more relevant on a website devoted to entertainment.

[moonslav59]

Moodier being moved to SS.

[moonslav59]

Moodier being moved to SS.

 

mookie

[Randy Red Sox]

mookie

 

maybe delete the post above -Moodier

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

maybe delete the post above -Moodier

 

Leave it -- it plays here. That's what Cora would say...

[mvp 78]

maybe delete the post above -Moodier

 

Wow, another victim of the posting police!!!

[notin]

I’m starting to think the Dodgers are stupid.

 

So they’re taking the best defensive right fielder in the game today and moving him to SS why? Why not leave him in RF? Because of Jason Heyward?

 

Crazy thought Dave Roberts - put Mookie in RF, Miguel Rojas back at SS, and bench Hayward. Problem solved.

 

Geez. $300million dollar payroll with no shortstops. That’s just sad…

[Randy Red Sox]

Wow, another victim of the posting police!!!

 

well we all make mistakes with spellcheck, etc. but if you go to the effort to post a correction why not simply use the edit function or delete it?? I make many mistakes on here and often need to use the edit button

[Randy Red Sox]

I’m starting to think the Dodgers are stupid.

 

So they’re taking the best defensive right fielder in the game today and moving him to SS why? Why not leave him in RF? Because of Jason Heyward?

 

Crazy thought Dave Roberts - put Mookie in RF, Miguel Rojas back at SS, and bench Hayward. Problem solved.

 

Geez. $300million dollar payroll with no shortstops. That’s just sad…

 

well we got lots of shortstops. we draft one in the first rd almost every year other than last yr

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’m starting to think the Dodgers are stupid.

 

So they’re taking the best defensive right fielder in the game today and moving him to SS why? Why not leave him in RF? Because of Jason Heyward?

 

Crazy thought Dave Roberts - put Mookie in RF, Miguel Rojas back at SS, and bench Hayward. Problem solved.

 

Geez. $300million dollar payroll with no shortstops. That’s just sad…

 

I was also thinking Roberts is the culprit; Mookie is clearly his guy, but San Diego is just a mustang ride away...

 

... where Machado sharpens his spikes/dulls his wits prepping to break up DPs, ruin careers, and feed fodder to forums forever fighting about fiscal fitness.

[notin]

well we got lots of shortstops. we draft one in the first rd almost every year other than last yr

 

That’s what happens when you draft high schoolers. At almost every high school in the USA, the best player is the SS.

 

Are you suggesting the Sox should instead draft players who lost out on the SS position to another kid? Especially when you remember the position played by high schoolers is irrelevant…

[mvp 78]

I was also thinking Roberts is the culprit; Mookie is clearly his guy, but San Diego is just a mustang ride away...

 

... where Machado sharpens his spikes/dulls his wits prepping to break up DPs, ruin careers, and feed fodder to forums forever fighting about fiscal fitness.

 

Roberts is not a good manager. Dodgers would be better under Cora.

[notin]

Roberts is not a good manager. Dodgers would be better under Cora.

 

Cora is not exactly known for his attention to defense either.

 

But both guys - especially Cora - are heavy into metrics…

[mvp 78]

Betts at SS in 98 Innings in ‘23

 

-2 OAA

-8.8 UZR/150

 

He’s fine at 2b, but this is a wild decision.

[Randy Red Sox]

That’s what happens when you draft high schoolers. At almost every high school in the USA, the best player is the SS.

 

Are you suggesting the Sox should instead draft players who lost out on the SS position to another kid? Especially when you remember the position played by high schoolers is irrelevant…

 

i am actually suggesting we should 1} start drafting more college players and 2} start drafting more P since are system is clearly lacking in that area.

[Randy Red Sox]

That’s what happens when you draft high schoolers. At almost every high school in the USA, the best player is the SS.

 

Are you suggesting the Sox should instead draft players who lost out on the SS position to another kid? Especially when you remember the position played by high schoolers is irrelevant…

 

i am actually suggesting we should 1} start drafting more college players and 2} start drafting more P since our system is clearly lacking in that area.

[moonslav59]

well we all make mistakes with spellcheck, etc. but if you go to the effort to post a correction why not simply use the edit function or delete it?? I make many mistakes on here and often need to use the edit button

 

Because I’m in the big Apple posting on my phone, and I can barely see what I’m typing.

 

I tried to edit but that function does not work, often. I did not have time to go delete.

[moonslav59]

i am actually suggesting we should 1} start drafting more college players and 2} start drafting more P since are system is clearly lacking in that area.

 

Your opinion on this is well known.

[notin]

Betts at SS in 98 Innings in ‘23

 

-2 OAA

-8.8 UZR/150

 

He’s fine at 2b, but this is a wild decision.

 

Bench Hayward, who only brings defense to the table, but is still worse defensively than Betts in RF.

 

Put Mookie in RF.

 

Put Miguel Rojas at SS, as Rojas is basically to SS what Heyward is to RF.

 

The Betts-Rojas lineup is significantly better defensively than the Betts-Heyward lineup. And not much worse offensively.

 

Am I missing something? Or are the Dodgers really this f***ing stupid?

[jad]

Good grief, a utility player? basically Brock Holt, now parked at SS? Thank God we got rid of that guy. And what's he doing at that position when they have Kike?

[notin]

i am actually suggesting we should 1} start drafting more college players and 2} start drafting more P since our system is clearly lacking in that area.

 

Just draft the best players available. Don’t worry about position and don’t worry about college vs high school. The pitching situation can work itself out.

 

The Sox have two pitchers they drafted slated to start in their opening day rotation, including one who was a first round pick (and is quite possibly the worst of the five, and definitely one everyone wants to see bumped back into the bullpen). So maybe first round pitchers for the sake of taking first round pitchers isn’t the way to go. In fact, that seems like an even worse strategy than what they’ve been doing.

 

Just take the player you think has the best future…

[moonslav59]

Just draft the best players available. Don’t worry about position and don’t worry about college vs high school. The pitching situation can work itself out.

 

The Sox have two pitchers they drafted slated to start in their opening day rotation, including one who was a first round pick (and is quite possibly the worst of the five, and definitely one everyone wants to see bumped back into the bullpen). So maybe first round pitchers for the sake of taking first round pitchers isn’t the way to go. In fact, that seems like an even worse strategy than what they’ve been doing.

 

Just take the player you think has the best future…

 

Your opinion is well known, lol.

 

Would our farm be higher ranked if we had drafted 10 Trey Balls?

[notin]

Your opinion is well known, lol.

 

Would our farm be higher ranked if we had drafted 10 Trey Balls?

 

Would it be better if we passed on Troy Tulowitzki to draft Ricky Romero?

 

These names were chosen because Toronto did exactly that, and did so for the exact reasons people on this board are complaining about - the Jays wanted to draft a pitcher.

 

Also Trey Ball was a BA top 100 prospect at one point. I don’t think he was dragging down the farm ranking to much…

[notin]

Good grief, a utility player? basically Brock Holt, now parked at SS? Thank God we got rid of that guy. And what's he doing at that position when they have Kike?

 

Right. Much better strategy than moving the Gold Glove right fielder to a position he hasn’t played since A-ball to make sure Jason Heyward gets into the lineup.

 

If Miguel Rojas and his 396 games over the last 3 years is a utility player, how do you classify Heyward and his 276 games?

 

But Heyward does give better offense, bringing his OPS+ of 87 over the past 3 years to the starting lineup and benching that paltry 78 Rojas brings.

 

I mean, obviously it’s the smart move. The Dodgers are doing it! This isn’t some stupid Red Sox move, like letting Dalbec start one game at SS…

[moonslav59]

Our problem has been that we are terrible at drafting good pitchers, so the solution must be to draft more bad pitchers and hope we get one right. Is that the best plan?

[notin]

Our problem has been that we are terrible at drafting good pitchers, so the solution must be to draft more bad pitchers and hope we get one right. Is that the best plan?

 

Right, the obvious solution is to just draft pitchers higher. I mean, if you select a player in the first round, he automatically becomes a first round pick.

 

Look at Atlanta. They’ve clearly done better with their first round pitchers. Who wouldn’t take first round picks Kyle Wright and Ian Anderson over 4th rounder Spencer Strider and fifth rounder Bryce Elder? And obviously 1st rounders Hunter Waldrep and Owen Murphy are clearly better talents than the higher ranked seventh rounder AJ Smith-Shawver.

 

So go ahead! Force those first rounders! We need more Ricky Romeros!!

 

That’s the obvious plan…