Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/red-sox-third-base-outlook-rafael-devers-defense-must-improve-in-2024/584163/

 

A little more mainstream for you?

 

Interesting. That article doesn’t mention moving him to 1b.

[mvp 78]

Also “several journalists” is doing a lot of heavy work for you.

[Old Red]

Moon is a journalist now?

 

🤭🙈👍👍👍

[Old Red]

Yes for the limited few with a third baseman ranked in the bottom three and that have the money (not budget, money) to easily afford him…

 

I’ll adventure to say that anytime since Brez took over the Red Sox even when he was sitting down talking a crap did he even ponder the idea of signing Chapman for the Red Sox, and making all the moves you suggested. If they can’t spend money on SP. they won’t be spending it on anything else.

[mvp 78]

I’ll adventure to say that anytime since Brez took over the Red Sox even when he was sitting down talking a crap did he even ponder the idea of signing Chapman for the Red Sox, and making all the moves you suggested. If they can’t spend money on SP. they won’t be spending it on anything else.

 

He saw the budget and Chapman was immediately crossed off the list.

[Old Red]

He saw the budget and Chapman was immediately crossed off the list.

 

As was lots of others apparently.

[notin]

I’ll adventure to say that anytime since Brez took over the Red Sox even when he was sitting down talking a crap did he even ponder the idea of signing Chapman for the Red Sox, and making all the moves you suggested. If they can’t spend money on SP. they won’t be spending it on anything else.

 

It’s possible and even likely, although we really don’t know what money was talked about when Breslow ruled out Chapman.

 

But if you want to improve the pitching, improving the defense can improve all the pitching, not just one rotation slot. And maybe the Sox simply don’t love Montgomery or Snell as much as we fans want them to…

[notin]

He saw the budget and Chapman was immediately crossed off the list.

 

Did he know at the time Chapman could be had for Giolito money?

[Old Red]

It’s possible and even likely, although we really don’t know what money was talked about when Breslow ruled out Chapman.

 

But if you want to improve the pitching, improving the defense can improve all the pitching, not just one rotation slot. And maybe the Sox simply don’t love Montgomery or Snell as much as we fans want them to…

 

You keep thinking Chapman was ruled out. My thinking is he was not even thought about in the first place.

[Bellhorn04]

Chapman's deal has an opt out after both years. That would be no good for the Sox. Changing multiple guys' positions for a player who might be gone next year? Don't think so.

[Randy Red Sox]

He saw the budget and Chapman was immediately crossed off the list.

 

along with any other decent FA signings

[Randy Red Sox]

It’s possible and even likely, although we really don’t know what money was talked about when Breslow ruled out Chapman.

 

But if you want to improve the pitching, improving the defense can improve all the pitching, not just one rotation slot. And maybe the Sox simply don’t love Montgomery or Snell as much as we fans want them to…

 

they are NOT going to sign Snell at least until May 1st when the draft compensation is off the table. In reality all teams should wait for that date now. Why risk losing the draft picks for an extra 4-6 weeks of Snell? It is getting close to the point that neither he nor Montgomery would be ready to start the season if they don't sign soon.

[Old Red]

Chapman's deal has an opt out after both years. That would be no good for the Sox. Changing multiple guys' positions for a player who might be gone next year? Don't think so.

We already had the same discussion on Chapman weeks ago, and the only thing that has changed is Chapman has now signed with someone else. What hasn’t changed is Raffy is entrenched at 3B, and Casas is entrenched at 1B for the immediate future, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

[moonslav59]

Apparently, the Giants are still in on Snell.

[notin]

Chapman's deal has an opt out after both years. That would be no good for the Sox. Changing multiple guys' positions for a player who might be gone next year? Don't think so.

 

What if it’s just one guy’s position? You know, like it is in this case?

[notin]

We already had the same discussion on Chapman weeks ago, and the only thing that has changed is Chapman has now signed with someone else. What hasn’t changed is Raffy is entrenched at 3B, and Casas is entrenched at 1B for the immediate future, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

 

So therefore you find it necessary to stop any further discussion on the topic?

 

If you want to post about something else, start the conversation for once rather than telling everyone what you don’t want to talk about and playing Old Schooler Board Censor…

[Old Red]

What if it’s just one guy’s position? You know, like it is in this case?

 

What if it’s NO guy’s position? The answer is still NO. He’s signed with the Giants, and it’s not happening. Now, or before. Last year it was Gallo with you, and two years ago you was all in on the JBJ trade. Two of those didn’t happen, and the one that did shouldn’t have.🙈🤭

[notin]

What if it’s NO guy’s position? The answer is still NO. He’s signed with the Giants, and it’s not happening. Now, or before. Last year it was Gallo with you, and two years ago you was all in on the JBJ trade. Two of those didn’t happen, and the one that did shouldn’t have.

 

Disagree on whether or not it should have.

 

But some of us think defense is more important than RBIs. Maybe you’ll be much happier to watch the Sox struggle defensively at certain positions than I will be. After all, you not only like Devers as a defensive option at 3b, but wanted the Sox to re-sign Turner thus forcing Yoshida back into LF. At that point, why even have a defense?

[Randy Red Sox]

Apparently, the Giants are still in on Snell.

 

best to wait till MAY 1

[Old Red]

Disagree on whether or not it should have.

 

But some of us think defense is more important than RBIs. Maybe you’ll be much happier to watch the Sox struggle defensively at certain positions than I will be. After all, you not only like Devers as a defensive option at 3b, but wanted the Sox to re-sign Turner thus forcing Yoshida back into LF. At that point, why even have a defense?

 

The funny part is you think you’re talking to me, but you’re really talking to Cora, and the Red Sox front office now, and the past four years that have created this bad D situation. It would be great if Raffy could play D like Lowell, or Beltre, but he can’t, and it would be nice if Casas could scoop em at 1B, like Boomer Scott, but so far he can’t, so they have to play the cards they have dealt themselves. I didn’t put the team together, and all the whining, and crying about it that you are doing isn’t going to change a thing. I NEVER said I like Devers as an option at 3B, so that’s FAKE news. I just keep saying that’s the way it is, and I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Go ask the Red Sox why even have a defense, because THEY are the ones responsible.

[notin]

The funny part is you think you’re talking to me, but you’re really talking to Cora, and the Red Sox front office now, and the past four years that have created this bad D situation. It would be great if Raffy could play D like Lowell, or Beltre, but he can’t, and it would be nice if Casas could scoop em at 1B, like Boomer Scott, but so far he can’t, so they have to play the cards they have dealt themselves. I didn’t put the team together, and all the whining, and crying about it that you are doing isn’t going to change a thing. I NEVER said I like Devers as an option at 3B, so that’s FAKE news. I just keep saying that’s the way it is, and I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Go ask the Red Sox why even have a defense, because THEY are the ones responsible.

 

None of that is remotely true. Keeping Devers at third base is 100% a choice. Using the DH spot to bury his glove is absolutely an option that has been there since 1973. And this is just one way to rectify this situation that didn’t involve making a trade…

[Old Red]

None of that is remotely true. Keeping Devers at third base is 100% a choice. Using the DH spot to bury his glove is absolutely an option that has been there since 1973. And this is just one way to rectify this situation that didn’t involve making a trade…

 

Get over it. NO ONE running the Red Sox it appears agrees with you. Like I said in an earlier post, and even before that I don’t believe the Red Sox worry about D like talksox does

[notin]

Get over it. NO ONE running the Red Sox it appears agrees with you. Like I said in an earlier post, and even before that I don’t believe the Red Sox worry about D like talksox does

 

That would be a very questionable attitude from the Sox front office given how last year played out.

 

Of course at least you must then agree with me that this poor defense is really a choice to here making…

[Old Red]

That would be a very questionable attitude from the Sox front office given how last year played out…

 

Or the year before with Arroyo in RF, and Franchy at 1B, and don’t forget the Butterfly Man in CF who looked completely lost that year. They even tried to plug Flintstone Schwarber at 1B. You might not like RBI over D, but that’s not the way the Red Sox have gone about their business. Let’s not forget Kike at SS last year either.

[notin]

Or the year before with Arroyo in RF, and Franchy at 1B, and don’t forget the Butterfly Man in CF who looked completely lost that year. They even tried to plug Flintstone Schwarber at 1B. You might not like RBI over D, but that’s not the way the Red Sox have gone about their business. Let’s not forget Kike at SS last year either.

 

Arroyo in RF was Cora’s choice, and Arroyo want the starter. Not the same thing. Franchy at 1b was a questionable call all around. The man clearly belonged in the OF if he was getting on the field at all.

 

But this is true from the bottom up that this team has been making a lot of questionable defensive calls on the roster and in the lineup.

 

So they probably will use Valdez at 2b while Grissom is out. Apparently the Boston front office and coaching staff like to pride themselves for trotting out an infield that couldn’t catch a cold if they were naked in Norway…

[Old Red]

Arroyo in RF was Cora’s choice, and Arroyo want the starter. Not the same thing. Franchy at 1b was a questionable call all around. The man clearly belonged in the OF if he was getting on the field at all.

 

But this is true from the bottom up that this team has been making a lot of questionable defensive calls on the roster and in the lineup.

 

So they probably will use Valdez at 2b while Grissom is out. Apparently the Boston front office and coaching staff like to pride themselves for trotting out an infield that couldn’t catch a cold if they were naked in Norway…

 

I agree with you on the D, but I’ve just accepted the fact that I don’t see anything changing anytime soon with the present makeup of the roster that the front office has put together, and whining, and crying about it isn’t going to change that either. SP, and D were the two things that had to be improved on for the club to get better, and so far I haven’t seen much improvement outside of a pitching coach, and a different IF instructor. Read into that anyway you want.

[notin]

I agree with you on the D, but I’ve just accepted the fact that I don’t see anything changing anytime soon with the present makeup of the roster that the front office has put together, and whining, and crying about it isn’t going to change that either. SP, and D were the two things that had to be improved on for the club to get better, and so far I haven’t seen much improvement outside of a pitching coach, and a different IF instructor. Read into that anyway you want.

 

 

I will say when the Sox were initially trying to extend Devers, they offered him a contract similar to the one Matt Olson had agreed to with Atlanta, since they envisioned Devers eventually moving to 1b. They had the right idea at one point, but they don’t seem to want to actually do anything about their bad defense beyond hope it miraculously improves…

Edited March 2, 2024 by notin

[notin]

OTM is a blog site.

 

Some of the OTM guys do get access to the Sox front office. Seth Mnookin, for example, used to actually deal with FO personnel…

[dgalehouse]

Not a dropped ball at all. The Red Sox already have a 1B, and a 3B who won’t be moving anywhere anytime soon. Another Bellinger contract too with 2 opt outs.

 

Red, That slams the lid on the little Chapman at the hot corner, Devers to first base, Casas to DH, Yoshida in left and Duran traded for a starting pitcher fantasy. A whole series of chess moves down the drain. Just like that.

[dgalehouse]

We all do.

 

Well, we do now. That's for sure. But we wasted 18 pages of posts on the fantasy of signing Chapman and moving Devers off third. It was never going to happen.