Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Bellhorn04]

Cots has them at 190M (47M under the CBT). That's still 25M under the 215M budget that we thought the dumb Sox were under this season (why???). If they clear Jansen, it leaves 41M under 215M (63M under the CBT). Like what the f*** are we even talking about? As long as they are under the CBT, shouldn't it be fine??? If they trade Jansen, they could have enough to sign Snell and Montgomery and be under the CBT!!!!!!!!

 

I know. It really is this bad.

[moonslav59]

Cots has them at 190M (47M under the CBT). That's still 25M under the 215M budget that we thought the dumb Sox were under this season (why???). If they clear Jansen, it leaves 41M under 215M (63M under the CBT). Like what the f*** are we even talking about? As long as they are under the CBT, shouldn't it be fine??? If they trade Jansen, they could have enough to sign Snell and Montgomery and be under the CBT!!!!!!!!

 

This is what hurts the most.

 

I may be totally wrong in thinking we are two solid SP'ers away from being a decent top competitor, but certainly, we'd be strong playoff contenders adding 2.

 

Losing Jansen would hurt, but moving two guys from the rotation- like Houck and Crawford would help the pen, enormously.

 

If the team was 5-6 players away, it might make more sense, but I don't think we are.

[Bellhorn04]

This is what hurts the most.

 

I may be totally wrong in thinking we are two solid SP'ers away from being a decent top competitor, but certainly, we'd be strong playoff contenders adding 2.

 

Losing Jansen would hurt, but moving two guys from the rotation- like Houck and Crawford would help the pen, enormously.

 

If the team was 5-6 players away, it might make more sense, but I don't think we are.

 

If they don't at least sign one of Monty or Snell, this is absolutely one of the worst clusterf***s in the history of baseball management. Downright irrational, self-destructive s***.

[Old Red]

Cots has them at 190M (47M under the CBT). That's still 25M under the 215M budget that we thought the dumb Sox were under this season (why???). If they clear Jansen, it leaves 41M under 215M (63M under the CBT). Like what the f*** are we even talking about? As long as they are under the CBT, shouldn't it be fine??? If they trade Jansen, they could have enough to sign Snell and Montgomery and be under the CBT!!!!!!!!

 

I think people on here are to hung up on the CBT, and have been for the last three years at least. Just, because there is a CBT doesn’t mean the Red Sox are going to spend up to it. I asked the question last offseason on who in the Red Sox organization said they were going to spend up to the CBT. Nobody, and they didn’t. If they have a set budget, and no one on here knows what that is then that’s all they are going to spend up to, and maybe not all the way.

[notin]

If they don't at least sign one of Monty or Snell, this is absolutely one of the worst clusterf***s in the history of baseball management. Downright irrational, self-destructive s***.

 

The thing is - what if they aren’t real wild about Snell and/or Montgomery? You gotta admit flaws are there with both of them.

 

If the plan is to try harder for one of the pitchers in next year’s class - Burnes, Fried, Bieber, Buehler, Wheeler - I at least get passing this year. You don’t make a 6-7 year commitment to fill a one year gap.

 

Of course if you do like those guys, maybe a trade immediately to get a jump on signing? Obviously can’t with Burnes…

[Old Red]

If they don't at least sign one of Monty or Snell, this is absolutely one of the worst clusterf***s in the history of baseball management. Downright irrational, self-destructive s***.

 

Agree, but like I keep repeating it is not Mar 28 yet.

[mvp 78]

I know. It really is this bad.

 

Anyone paying full price for a ticket this year is a dope.

[Bellhorn04]

The thing is - what if they aren’t real wild about Snell and/or Montgomery? You gotta admit flaws are there with both of them.

 

If the plan is to try harder for one of the pitchers in next year’s class - Burnes, Fried, Bieber, Buehler, Wheeler - I at least get passing this year. You don’t make a 6-7 year commitment to fill a one year gap.

 

a) Of course Snell and Monty have flaws.

They passed or missed on all the other worthwhile options too.

c) Next year they'll find reasons not to acquire any of those guys either. Starting with too expensive of course. Plus one or more of them will likely sign extensions.

[mvp 78]

This is what hurts the most.

 

I may be totally wrong in thinking we are two solid SP'ers away from being a decent top competitor, but certainly, we'd be strong playoff contenders adding 2.

 

Losing Jansen would hurt, but moving two guys from the rotation- like Houck and Crawford would help the pen, enormously.

 

If the team was 5-6 players away, it might make more sense, but I don't think we are.

 

Jansen is a good closer, but thinking either Houck or Whitlock could close isn't far fetched.

[Bellhorn04]

Agree, but like I keep repeating it is not Mar 28 yet.

 

I commend that attitude, I really do.

 

It's just uncanny that the Sox halfway knowledgeable reporters like Abraham and Speier are flat out convinced we'll get a minor move or two and nothing else. It's not like they've been doomsayers in the past.

[mvp 78]

If they don't at least sign one of Monty or Snell, this is absolutely one of the worst clusterf***s in the history of baseball management. Downright irrational, self-destructive s***.

 

There hasn't been a reasonable explanation as to WHY payroll need to be reduced. If they want to not go over the CBT, it's fine. Staying well below the CBT for now discernable reason doesn't make sense. They could have at least tried to load up on short term deals.

[moonslav59]

Jansen is a good closer, but thinking either Houck or Whitlock could close isn't far fetched.

 

I'm not thinking that. You just assumed it.

 

I would expect Martin to close, and maybe Houck take the major set-up role, if Whitlock is not up to the task.

 

Would adding Houck and Crawford to the pen help enormously, or not? That's all I said and meant.

[moonslav59]

I commend that attitude, I really do.

 

It's just uncanny that the Sox halfway knowledgeable reporters like Abraham and Speier are flat out convinced we'll get a minor move or two and nothing else. It's not like they've been doomsayers in the past.

 

I feel the same. I will be surprised if we make a major move.

[Bellhorn04]

Jansen is a good closer, but thinking either Houck or Whitlock could close isn't far fetched.

 

It's not far-fetched, no. It could also quite easily fail.

 

We only have so many credentialed pitchers. Trading Jansen makes it one less, unless they get one back in the trade, which seems rather doubtful.

[Bellhorn04]

There hasn't been a reasonable explanation as to WHY payroll need to be reduced. If they want to not go over the CBT, it's fine. Staying well below the CBT for now discernable reason doesn't make sense. They could have at least tried to load up on short term deals.

 

This is exactly why we have the ugly rumors that this is all about funding other FSG enterprises.

[mvp 78]

The thing is - what if they aren’t real wild about Snell and/or Montgomery? You gotta admit flaws are there with both of them.

 

If the plan is to try harder for one of the pitchers in next year’s class - Burnes, Fried, Bieber, Buehler, Wheeler - I at least get passing this year. You don’t make a 6-7 year commitment to fill a one year gap.

 

Of course if you do like those guys, maybe a trade immediately to get a jump on signing? Obviously can’t with Burnes…

 

It's fine if they don't like Snell and Montgomery. It doesn't mean you just pack it in. You can sign guys on one year deals to get you to next season (Gibon, Flaherty, Paxton, Miley all did). Just not spending is unacceptable.

 

Also, don't tell me that Fried, Bieber, Buehler and Wheeler are without flaws.

[notin]

It's fine if they don't like Snell and Montgomery. It doesn't mean you just pack it in. You can sign guys on one year deals to get you to next season (Gibon, Flaherty, Paxton, Miley all did). Just not spending is unacceptable.

 

Also, don't tell me that Fried, Bieber, Buehler and Wheeler are without flaws.

 

I never said they weren’t flawed. But maybe Breslow, Cora, etc. like that crop better? It’s just speculation on my part.

 

I agree they still do something. If you like next years crop better, you don’t need a seven year solution. But you do need a one year solution…

[Old Red]

It's not far-fetched, no. It could also quite easily fail.

 

We only have so many credentialed pitchers. Trading Jansen makes it one less, unless they get one back in the trade, which seems rather doubtful.

I thought Whitlock should have been tried as a closer after the 2021 season, but they messed him up in the rotation the last two years. Going back strictly to the pen may straighten him back out.

[Bellhorn04]

I never said they weren’t flawed. But maybe Breslow, Cora, etc. like that crop better? It’s just speculation on my part.

 

I agree they still do something. If you like next years crop better, you don’t need a seven year solution. But you do need a one year solution…

 

Cora might not even be here next year. But he wouldn't be the first to make plans for a future that isn't there - they just fired the last guy who did that.

[mvp 78]

I'm not thinking that. You just assumed it.

 

I would expect Martin to close, and maybe Houck take the major set-up role, if Whitlock is not up to the task.

 

Would adding Houck and Crawford to the pen help enormously, or not? That's all I said and meant.

 

It would help enormously and I think both of them could take over closing???

[mvp 78]

I never said they weren’t flawed. But maybe Breslow, Cora, etc. like that crop better? It’s just speculation on my part.

 

I agree they still do something. If you like next years crop better, you don’t need a seven year solution. But you do need a one year solution…

 

I don't think they have to sign both guys. I think Montgomery is a decent acquisition. I wouldn't sign Snell. My point was that they are so far under the cap that I don't understand all the dicking around. They could overpay on one year deals and make this team competitive.

[mvp 78]

I thought Whitlock should have been tried as a closer after the 2021 season, but they messed him up in the rotation the last two years. Going back strictly to the pen may straighten him back out.

 

I think it was worth it to see if he could start. Now we know it didn't really work. Time for him to be sent to the pen for good.

[mvp 78]

It's not far-fetched, no. It could also quite easily fail.

 

We only have so many credentialed pitchers. Trading Jansen makes it one less, unless they get one back in the trade, which seems rather doubtful.

 

It could fail, but Jansen is out the door at the end of the year anyway and I don't think this team is going anywhere this season.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it was worth it to see if he could start. Now we know it didn't really work. Time for him to be sent to the pen for good.

 

Nope, the Alchemist is gonna give everybody one more shot at it.

 

13 aces - I think that was your line.

[mvp 78]

This is exactly why we have the ugly rumors that this is all about funding other FSG enterprises.

 

All the tap dancing around is definitely worse for them. Their PR has really gotten them into trouble this year.

[Bellhorn04]

It could fail, but Jansen is out the door at the end of the year anyway and I don't think this team is going anywhere this season.

 

Oh I get it. To me it all reeks of self-fulfilling prophecy - we're gonna suck anyway so it doesn't much matter what we do.

[Bellhorn04]

All the tap dancing around is definitely worse for them. Their PR has really gotten them into trouble this year.

 

There's another sardonic piece in OTM about how Sam couldn't let us enjoy the good news about Theo for long - he had to make it clear it might not be for long and might not have much to do with the Red Sox LOL

[Duran Is The Man]

If they don't at least sign one of Monty or Snell, this is absolutely one of the worst clusterf***s in the history of baseball management. Downright irrational, self-destructive s***.

 

welcome to the Dark Side.

[Old Red]

All the tap dancing around is definitely worse for them. Their PR has really gotten them into trouble this year.

 

They were already in trouble after the last two years, but they found a way to even make it worse.

[mvp 78]

Oh I get it. To me it all reeks of self-fulfilling prophecy - we're gonna suck anyway so it doesn't much matter what we do.

 

You're using Whitlock and Houck to figure out who the closer is for 2025 IMO.