Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

BTV has...

 

37 Yainer Diaz C

30 Chaz McCormick OF

19 B Abreu RP + 11 Melton OF prospect (I'd like to get Javier 3.1 SP added)

0.8 Urquiddy could be a throw in

 

Duran is 34.

 

I'd do McCormick & Javier or maybe Abreu, Melton & Javier (or Urquiddy)

 

HOU will not give their catcher for Duran.

 

HOU is in a win now mode and I'm not sure they'd want to give up Abreu who should factor heavily in their bullpen even with the Hader addition.

 

Is Javier still a part of their rotation plans going forward? What's the status with his elbow?

 

My guess is the return would be a potpourri of prospects and a starting pitcher they can move on from.

[moonslav59]

I wonder if we added on could we get Valdez.

 

Then again with only 2 years left, he'd be going to free agency just as we're ready to go for it

 

Yea, the two year thing scares me away. Same with Cease.

 

BTV accepts Duran & Yorke for Framber, but no way does HOU say yes to that.

 

I like McCormick (3 yrs), and he can play CF, but I doubt they swap him out for 5 yrs of Duran.

 

They probably can't keep Bregman, Altuve & Tucker, but Tucker has only 2 years, too.

 

5 years of Duran for 3 of McCormick and 4 of Javier might be okay.

Edited January 24, 2024 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

HOU is in a win now mode and I'm not sure they'd want to give up Abreu who should factor heavily in their bullpen even with the Hader addition.

 

Is Javier still a part of their rotation plans going forward? What's the status with his elbow?

 

My guess is the return would be a potpourri of prospects and a starting pitcher they can move on from.

 

Duran might help them win, now, more than Abreu.

 

We could throw in Jansen, too.

 

 

[mvp 78]

Yea, the two year thing scares me away. Same with Cease.

 

BTV accepts Duran & Yorke for Framber, but no way does HOU say yes to that.

 

I like McCormick (3 yrs), and he can play CF, but I doubt they swap him out for 5 yrs of Duran.

 

They probably can't keep Bregman, Altuve & Tucker, but Tucker has only 2 years, too.

 

5 years of Duran for 3 of McCormick and 4 of Javier might be okay.

 

Two years isn't a big deal if the Sox are going to extend the player. They did it with Pedro. They did it with Beckett.

[mvp 78]

Duran might help them win, now, more than Abreu.

 

We could throw in Jansen, too.

 

 

 

For Jansen? Just insert more SP prospects since the Sox haven't drafted any in the past two decades and it's the only reason the rotation is in this mess.

[moonslav59]

Two years isn't a big deal if the Sox are going to extend the player. They did it with Pedro. They did it with Beckett.

 

That's the big if that's looks like a big NO.

[moonslav59]

For Jansen? Just insert more SP prospects since the Sox haven't drafted any in the past two decades and it's the only reason the rotation is in this mess.

 

I'd rather have 3 years of Abreu than 1 of Jansen.

 

4 years of Javier might be useless. I get that.

[mvp 78]

Above I asked about Javier's elbow. I was referencing Garcia. What's the status of his elbow? Would the Astros deal him? He's still in ARB years unlike Javier.

[Hitch]

Two years isn't a big deal if the Sox are going to extend the player. They did it with Pedro. They did it with Beckett.

 

30 years old at the moment. 32 at free agency. Can't see them even entertaining an extension.

 

The mere suggestion has likely caused a bowel movement in Henry.

[mvp 78]

30 years old at the moment. 32 at free agency. Can't see them even entertaining an extension.

 

The mere suggestion has likely caused a bowel movement in Henry.

 

For Valdez, you could extend him out an additional 3 years to age 35. It's not that big of a deal. Not every extension has to be 6-8 years IMO.

[Hitch]

For Valdez, you could extend him out an additional 3 years to age 35. It's not that big of a deal. Not every extension has to be 6-8 years IMO.

 

That's assuming that he'd be happy with that of course. I imagine most pitchers who have a good track record want that long contract to lock in their reward, rather than hoping they hold up to get two smaller contacts.

 

If we could get him and extend for 3 years I'd be all for it.

[dgalehouse]

Hope Kenley Jansen doesn't read TalkSox. He has had an illustrious career. One of the all time top closers. Now it's " We could throw in Jansen , too."

[moonslav59]

Hope Kenley Jansen doesn't read TalkSox. He has had an illustrious career. One of the all time top closers. Now it's " We could throw in Jansen , too."

 

The idea of trading Jansen away, is to clear budget space to sign a SP'er.

 

If it's for lining henry's pockets, then I'm against trading him.

 

BTW, his "trade value" is close to zero at $16M/1.

 

If we can get 3 years of Abreu for 1 of Jansen and then sign a decent SP'er, we're a better team in 2024 and beyond.

 

Take things in context- just once.

[Bellhorn04]

Hope Kenley Jansen doesn't read TalkSox. He has had an illustrious career. One of the all time top closers. Now it's " We could throw in Jansen , too."

 

I too find it a little strange how eager some folks are to trade him right now. At the deadline if we're out of it, that's a different story.

[Hugh2]

Some might say we need to move money to be able to sign a pitcher. I'm not sure who you would need to make room for other than Snell/Montgomery, and I don't think anyones one year contract is preventing that. Ownership is just disinterested in moving in signing big money contract to pitchers.

 

I'd trade Jansen in the right deal, heck I'd throw in money if we got back legit prospects. But I do that if we were signing a Montgomery type and pushing someone like Houck to the pen. I have no problem waiting until the deadline. Good bullpen help never hurts a team and certainly commands a fair payout at the deadline.

[Hitch]

@JonHeyman on the Red Sox (via @BRWalkoff stream):

 

“I think the Red Sox still have a big move in them … I do think the Red Sox will do something.”

 

.@JonHeyman called the Red Sox a “good possibility” for Jordan Montgomery if things don’t work out in Texas.

 

“I hear that the Red Sox certainly do like Montgomery very much.”

[Old Red]

I too find it a little strange how eager some folks are to trade him right now. At the deadline if we're out of it, that's a different story.

 

Exactly, and mostly on here you would think that the trade deadline has already come, and were already out of it before the season even starts.🙈

[Old Red]

Some might say we need to move money to be able to sign a pitcher. I'm not sure who you would need to make room for other than Snell/Montgomery, and I don't think anyones one year contract is preventing that. Ownership is just disinterested in moving in signing big money contract to pitchers.

 

I'd trade Jansen in the right deal, heck I'd throw in money if we got back legit prospects. But I do that if we were signing a Montgomery type and pushing someone like Houck to the pen. I have no problem waiting until the deadline. Good bullpen help never hurts a team and certainly commands a fair payout at the deadline.

 

Very simple. The Red Sox May have been waiting to get out from underneath Sales contract before they signed another SP to a big long term contract, so if they wasn’t still paying Sale $17M to pitch for the Braves they might have pounced on someone a year earlier. With what seems like the Red Sox are counting all their pennies, and cutting payroll it wound make more sense than not at least to most I have heard talk about it.

[moonslav59]

I too find it a little strange how eager some folks are to trade him right now. At the deadline if we're out of it, that's a different story.

 

Eager if we can add a quality SP'er with the budget space.

 

How many are eagerly wanting us to trade him away for prospects?

[notin]

Very simple. The Red Sox May have been waiting to get out from underneath Sales contract before they signed another SP to a big long term contract, so if they wasn’t still paying Sale $17M to pitch for the Braves they might have pounced on someone a year earlier. With what seems like the Red Sox are counting all their pennies, and cutting payroll it wound make more sense than not at least to most I have heard talk about it.

 

I don’t mind that they actually got something for Sale. I think Grissom has serious potential.

 

Next year’s free agent pitchers are far more intriguing to me, but I don’t get worried about this while Snell and Montgomery are still unsigned.

 

Believe it or not, Boston is still an option for either, and will be until each signs elsewhere. Sure we believe Kennedy when he says they’re done spending. Why? No one believed Werner when he said “full throttle”…

[moonslav59]

I don’t mind that they actually got something for Sale. I think Grissom has serious potential.

 

I agree. The reason we did not "save" $17M more was because we got a young & promising player with 6 years of control, who I'm sure the Sox believe is worth more or even way more than $17M.

 

We'll see how well they valued Grissom.

 

I do think the trade might look even better, if we actually spend the $10M we saved on someone we would otherwise not have signed. For example, if we were able to sign Gio at $19M, instead of Moore at $9M, then I like the deal, even more.

 

 

 

[Old Red]

I don’t mind that they actually got something for Sale. I think Grissom has serious potential.

 

Next year’s free agent pitchers are far more intriguing to me, but I don’t get worried about this while Snell and Montgomery are still unsigned.

 

Believe it or not, Boston is still an option for either, and will be until each signs elsewhere. Sure we believe Kennedy when he says they’re done spending. Why? No one believed Werner when he said “full throttle”…

 

I don’t mind the Red Sox got what looks like a good young player for Sale either. I just always have trouble to pay someone to not play for them even if it’s through an optout.

[cp176]

If the Red Sox are not going to make any substantial moves to better the team, why keep anybody that might bring in decent prospects. Why continue to pay one of the top closers in the league if he is surrounded by a team that isn't going anywhere.

 

Now with respect to Duran - he is a prospect with possibly some incredible potential. The type that changes games. You don't give up on those guys until you are pretty sure of what you have.

[notin]

I don’t mind the Red Sox got what looks like a good young player for Sale either. I just always have trouble to pay someone to not play for them even if it’s through an optout.

 

If they didn’t pay, they’d probably just get a player who hit his ceiling in AA. And there’s no guarantee that the $17mill they saved would be spent on anyone. I’d rather pay Sale to pitch for Atlanta than trade him for nothing so Henry can start financing his own personal RWGS (Rich White Guy Spaceship)…

[notin]

If the Red Sox are not going to make any substantial moves to better the team, why keep anybody that might bring in decent prospects. Why continue to pay one of the top closers in the league if he is surrounded by a team that isn't going anywhere.

 

Now with respect to Duran - he is a prospect with possibly some incredible potential. The type that changes games. You don't give up on those guys until you are pretty sure of what you have.

 

The way I see it, Duran is the opening day centerfielder. Since they’re probably not getting Soler, Duvall, etc. Abreu looks to start in RF with O’Neill in LF. Since I don’t they would use two rookies right away, Rafaela starts in Worcester.

 

I do agree there is some fun potential in Duran. I loved how any ball hit into the outfield that a fielder had to take the lateral steps to get went for extra bases. But I am somewhat tempered by his very unsustainable .381 BABIP…

[mvp 78]

I too find it a little strange how eager some folks are to trade him right now. At the deadline if we're out of it, that's a different story.

“If” they are out of it?

[dgalehouse]

The idea of trading Jansen away, is to clear budget space to sign a SP'er.

 

If it's for lining henry's pockets, then I'm against trading him.

 

BTW, his "trade value" is close to zero at $16M/1.

 

If we can get 3 years of Abreu for 1 of Jansen and then sign a decent SP'er, we're a better team in 2024 and beyond.

 

Take things in context- just once.

 

There could be legitimate reasons for trading Jansen now or later. But to just say, " We could throw in Jansen, too, " seems disrespectful. Like he is just another pawn in this chess game. Just another jabroni. Just another throw in.

[mvp 78]

@JonHeyman on the Red Sox (via @BRWalkoff stream):

 

“I think the Red Sox still have a big move in them … I do think the Red Sox will do something.”

 

.@JonHeyman called the Red Sox a “good possibility” for Jordan Montgomery if things don’t work out in Texas.

 

“I hear that the Red Sox certainly do like Montgomery very much.”

 

For sure…………

[cp176]

The way I see it, Duran is the opening day centerfielder. Since they’re probably not getting Soler, Duvall, etc. Abreu looks to start in RF with O’Neill in LF. Since I don’t they would use two rookies right away, Rafaela starts in Worcester.

 

I do agree there is some fun potential in Duran. I loved how any ball hit into the outfield that a fielder had to take the lateral steps to get went for extra bases. But I am somewhat tempered by his very unsustainable .381 BABIP…

 

I would like to see him healthy and playing everyday. At least then we would know what we have.

[Old Red]

“If” they are out of it?

 

I going for 84 wins this year, and they’ll be in it.