Trade Deadline 2023

[Old Red]

Our pen is already pretty good. We might just need one from Houck or Whitlock to comeback and do well- not both.

 

If one can take Crawford's previous pen roll, we might not have to see Jacquez and Llovera as much, if at all.

Yes, but if Sale goes into the rotation, and the Kut Man, and Pivetta stays there that would give you 5 starters.

[moonslav59]

Yes, but if Sale goes into the rotation, and the Kut Man, and Pivetta stays there that would give you 5 starters.

 

Exactly. That is what my post showed.

 

I suggested just one of Houck or Whitlock return, and they'd go to the pen to fill Crawford's old long man role.

 

What's the point?

[Old Red]

Exactly. That is what my post showed.

 

I suggested just one of Houck or Whitlock return, and they'd go to the pen to fill Crawford's old long man role.

 

What's the point?

 

I think we agree, but my only point was if all three come back healthy, and Sale goes into the rotation that would leave Whit, and Houck for the pen, which would deepen the BP all the way around.

[Randy Red Sox]

Well even though Baltimore has had FIVE--1st rd picks since 2019 make the big club they still have a superior farm system to the Red Sox. How many Red Sox 1st rd picks since 2019 have made the big club?

Maybe settling on a lower level trade like Flaherty might have made a big enough difference.

[moonslav59]

Well even though Baltimore has had FIVE--1st rd picks since 2019 make the big club they still have a superior farm system to the Red Sox. How many Red Sox 1st rd picks since 2019 have made the big club?

 

What's your point?

 

The O's drafter college players first, while we drafted HS players first.

 

BTW, I think it's 3 first rounders that have made the bigs for the O's.

 

'19 Rutscham

'20 Kjerstad (still in minors)

'21 Westburg

'22 Holliday (in single A)

'22 Cowser

'23 Bradfield (has not played in the minors, yet)

[Randy Red Sox]

On the Blue Jays broadcast today they said the Orioles had 3 1st rd picks in 2019 and that all 3 have played for the team. That is all that matters to me. If Bloom wants to draft all HS players that is up to him but it seems there is far more risk in doing so. I stand my statement that the Orioles have FIVE 1st rd picks since 2019 ply MLB games with the team and ask again how many 1st rd picks have the Sox had in the same time frame play MLB games for them??

What's your point?

 

The O's drafter college players first, while we drafted HS players first.

 

BTW, I think it's 3 first rounders that have made the bigs for the O's.

 

'19 Rutscham

'20 Kjerstad (still in minors)

'21 Westburg

'22 Holliday (in single A)

'22 Cowser

'23 Bradfield (has not played in the minors, yet)

[Randy Red Sox]

My apologies. The five I was talking about also included 2-2nd rd picks in 2019--Gunner Hendrickson and Kyle Stowers. Shame on me for the error

On the Blue Jays broadcast today they said the Orioles had 3 1st rd picks in 2019 and that all 3 have played for the team. That is all that matters to me. If Bloom wants to draft all HS players that is up to him but it seems there is far more risk in doing so. I stand my statement that the Orioles have FIVE 1st rd picks since 2019 ply MLB games with the team and ask again how many 1st rd picks have the Sox had in the same time frame play MLB games for them??

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

On the Blue Jays broadcast today they said the Orioles had 3 1st rd picks in 2019 and that all 3 have played for the team. That is all that matters to me. If Bloom wants to draft all HS players that is up to him but it seems there is far more risk in doing so. I stand my statement that the Orioles have FIVE 1st rd picks since 2019 ply MLB games with the team and ask again how many 1st rd picks have the Sox had in the same time frame play MLB games for them??

 

You can't compare the timeline of college players vs high school players. Then there's the draft position to consider.

[mvp 78]

Also, by whose measure is BAL better than BOS? Fangraphs has the Sox #3 and O's #8. O's were a bad franchise for a long, long time. They were able to build up that farm system while the Sox have just recently been building it up. A few years ago they were dead last.

[Hugh2]

My apologies. The five I was talking about also included 2-2nd rd picks in 2019--Gunner Hendrickson and Kyle Stowers. Shame on me for the error

 

Orioles have had their fair share of first round busts over the ages, and yes high school players carry more risk, but more so with high school pitching. Sox have done better than most with drafting hs position players.

 

There’s a reason the org. Is now ranked #2

[Hugh2]

Yes, but if Sale goes into the rotation, and the Kut Man, and Pivetta stays there that would give you 5 starters.

 

This is why I wanted Bloom to pick up a solid starting pitcher. Didn’t even have to be an ace just a good #3 a#4 guy.

 

What are the odds all those guys come back healthy?

 

What are the odds if they do all come back healthy everyone else stays healthy?

 

Like you said, a cleaner bill of health only pushes people to the bullpen and strengthens it up.

[mvp 78]

This is why I wanted Bloom to pick up a solid starting pitcher. Didn’t even have to be an ace just a good #3 a#4 guy.

 

What are the odds all those guys come back healthy?

 

What are the odds if they do all come back healthy everyone else stays healthy?

 

Like you said, a cleaner bill of health only pushes people to the bullpen and strengthens it up.

 

Agreed.

[Hugh2]

Well even though Baltimore has had FIVE--1st rd picks since 2019 make the big club they still have a superior farm system to the Red Sox. How many Red Sox 1st rd picks since 2019 have made the big club?

 

Also helps constantly finishing last in the dictions and getting top picks. They e had multiple first rounders, the #1 overall pick twice and the #2 pick in your time frame.

[Hugh2]

Also helps constantly finishing last in the dictions and getting top picks. They e had multiple first rounders, the #1 overall pick twice and the #2 pick in your time frame.

 

Also you can’t just look at the first round. When you get the a top two pick in the draft almost ever year you get the bonus pool money that comes with it.

 

That money gets spent in later rounds signing guys who fall or have signability issues. That really helps to stock a system.

[Old Red]

This is why I wanted Bloom to pick up a solid starting pitcher. Didn’t even have to be an ace just a good #3 a#4 guy.

 

What are the odds all those guys come back healthy?

 

What are the odds if they do all come back healthy everyone else stays healthy?

 

Like you said, a cleaner bill of health only pushes people to the bullpen and strengthens it up.

The odds aren’t very good that all three come back, and pitch well, but none of the three are pitching for the Red Sox now, and right now, or even weeks ago the Red Sox need, and needed help. Games are slipping away, and every game counts, so getting someone to help now should have been a priority.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This is why I wanted Bloom to pick up a solid starting pitcher. Didn’t even have to be an ace just a good #3 a#4 guy.

 

What are the odds all those guys come back healthy?

 

What are the odds if they do all come back healthy everyone else stays healthy?

 

 

Wait a minute, let me check the odds on one of the dozens of betting shows that have replaced real sports news on TV.

 

Ahh... here it is: current odds are bad and worse -- it's a parlay, but if you place a bet now they'll match your first five dollar-bill, rolled up into a straw... and your first sniff is free!

[Dipre]

This is why I wanted Bloom to pick up a solid starting pitcher. Didn’t even have to be an ace just a good #3 a#4 guy.

 

What are the odds all those guys come back healthy?

 

What are the odds if they do all come back healthy everyone else stays healthy?

 

Like you said, a cleaner bill of health only pushes people to the bullpen and strengthens it up.

 

I'm honestly content with them standing pat because of the going rate for starting pitching and the fact that this has the makings of a great team for the future but it's a very flawed roster.

[mvp 78]

Also you can’t just look at the first round. When you get the a top two pick in the draft almost ever year you get the bonus pool money that comes with it.

 

That money gets spent in later rounds signing guys who fall or have signability issues. That really helps to stock a system.

 

Bingo bango bongo... ^^^

[Old Red]

I'm honestly content with them standing pat because of the going rate for starting pitching and the fact that this has the makings of a great team for the future but it's a very flawed roster.

 

If you are not going to play to win then why play at all? What are the fans playing TOP dollar to go, and watch for? Hoping for the future that nothing good may ever come. Wow!

[Dipre]

If you are not going to play to win then why play at all? What are the fans playing TOP dollar to go, and watch for? Hoping for the future that nothing good may ever come. Wow!

 

Does it matter what the fans think or want when the decisions are made regarding the operations of the team? Your dreams as a fan are one thing, the reality of what they'll do, or won't regarding the development of the farm and the construction of the roster are entirely separate. And didn't you stop watching baseball?

[Bellhorn04]

Does it matter what the fans think or want when the decisions are made regarding the operations of the team? Your dreams as a fan are one thing, the reality of what they'll do, or won't regarding the development of the farm and the construction of the roster are entirely separate. And didn't you stop watching baseball?

 

The revenue comes from the fans. If a big chunk of them lose interest that would definitely hit Henry and the other owners in the wallet. So it is kind of a two-way relationship.

[Old Red]

Does it matter what the fans think or want when the decisions are made regarding the operations of the team? Your dreams as a fan are one thing, the reality of what they'll do, or won't regarding the development of the farm and the construction of the roster are entirely separate. And didn't you stop watching baseball?

I stopped not, because of the Red Sox, but what I feel is that baseball is a very watered down product. Openers, and BP games are not for me not to mention the talent level to me is not all that good either. I keep informed for fantasy purposes.

[Dipre]

The revenue comes from the fans. If a big chunk of them lose interest that would definitely hit Henry and the other owners in the wallet. So it is kind of a two-way relationship.

 

Sure looks to me like the Astros are raking in revenue right now after years of tanking. Winning rekindles fan interest. If Henry wants to make real money from the Sox, he needs sustainable contender. To do that, you need to build the farm, stop doling out stupid contracts, find surplus value from inefficiencies in the market, and it takes breaking a few eggs to make that delicious omelet, unfortunately.

[Dipre]

I stopped not, because of the Red Sox, but what I feel is that baseball is a very watered down product. Openers, and BP games are not for me not to mention the talent level to me is not all that good either. I keep informed for fantasy purposes.

 

Loser attitude.

[Old Red]

Loser attitude.

 

Most important the attitude on here doesn’t depict the real attitude everywhere else.

[sk7326]

Because the number of sellers is low, the Sox could take advantage and sell some of their assets for decent value. Their playoff odds are pretty low at 25%.

 

Yeah. The funny thing is I probably would have sold Jansen as well as the OFs in question.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah. The funny thing is I probably would have sold Jansen as well as the OFs in question.

 

That's not funny at all.

[mvp 78]

Loser attitude.

 

My 93 year old grandfather in law still watches all the games and isn't bothered by the opener. He was just glad they traded that bum Kiké. Some people just need perspective.

[Dipre]

My 93 year old grandfather in law still watches all the games and isn't bothered by the opener. He was just glad they traded that bum Kiké. Some people just need perspective.

 

Your grandfather does not have a loser attitude.

[mvp 78]

Yeah. The funny thing is I probably would have sold Jansen as well as the OFs in question.

 

Jansen probably could have brought back an interesting return.

 

Bloom is definitely hesitant to blow it up for some reason. Sox would have been better to deal off more assets in '22 and '23.