Trade Deadline 2023

[moonslav59]

He is Old Red Nation.

 

Careful. Is that a PC thing to say.

[Old Red]

And millions more who think you’re just flat out silly.

 

What’s your point? That you’re the majority and you will be staking that claim until someone proves you wrong?

 

I suppose we can all make up the size of the mob that backs our opinions.

 

Except the one about you making up the phrase “Red Sox Nation.” Pretty sure you’re alone there…

 

And you’re calling the people in my little corner of the world of talksox AS millions of people? LMAO.

[notin]

He is Old Red Nation.

 

Isn’t that Russia?

[moonslav59]

Isn’t that Russia?

 

I was thinking Cherokee.

[Randy Red Sox]

well I am counting this year too because i simply don't see us as better than any of the other AL East teams.

Yes, but you said 3 last place "finishes."

 

That was Ben.

[moonslav59]

well I am counting this year too because i simply don't see us as better than any of the other AL East teams.

 

It's a fair opinion, but the season is not over.

 

We are now very close to a couple ALE teams that have some big issues, too.

[Randy Red Sox]

i understand that

It's a fair opinion, but the season is not over.

 

We are now very close to a couple ALE teams that have some big issues, too.

[notin]

I was thinking Cherokee.

 

Yeah then it’s definitely not PC…

[notin]

well I am counting this year too because i simply don't see us as better than any of the other AL East teams.

 

But it’s not finished yet, and as they are 1 game behind NY and 2 games being Toronto, those teams might not be as good as you think…

[Maxbialystock]

well I am counting this year too because i simply don't see us as better than any of the other AL East teams.

 

Since when did a team 5 games above .500 become a bunch of losers unworthy of fan support?

[moonslav59]

Since when did a team 5 games above .500 become a bunch of losers unworthy of fan support?

 

I don't think that's what he meant. He just thinks the other ALE teams look better on paper.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox are in position to make a second-half run, but it's folly to expect they'll do it without pitching reinforcements beyond rehabbing injured guys.

 

Buy. Here's a trade proposal accepted by BTV that will help now but maybe hurt later: Boston gets starter Jordan Montgomery and reliever Andre Pallante from St. Louis for Nick Yorke. Pallante is only 24 and possibly a future starter. Jordan Hicks, 26, actually has less trade value and is an alternative.

 

We'll soon see how serious Bloom is about competing this year. After all, he can just sign Montgomery next winter without giving up a top prospect... as long as the lefty accepts a one-year contract of around $10 million.

[notin]

And you’re calling the people in my little corner of the world of talksox AS millions of people? LMAO.

 

No. This is like 20-30 people. At least active. (And the actual point was about simply making up a number in the mob that shares your opinion.)

 

But now you’re saying EVERYONE not in TalkSox agrees with you?

[notin]

I don't think that's what he meant. He just thinks the other ALE teams look better on paper.

 

Of course Toronto and New York - the two paper favorites - look significantly worse on the field, especially when playing the Red Sox…

[mvp 78]

No. This is like 20-30 people. At least active. (And the actual point was about simply making up a number in the mob that shares your opinion.)

 

But now you’re saying EVERYONE not in TalkSox agrees with you?

 

He prefers prescreened radio callers.

[Dipre]

He prefers prescreened radio callers.

 

This is pretty damn funny.

[Maxbialystock]

I don't think that's what he meant. He just thinks the other ALE teams look better on paper.

 

You must be kidding--saying the other four look better than our Sox. I just checked, and we still have three viable starters and Connor Wong catching. We're in great shape.

[moonslav59]

You must be kidding--saying the other four look better than our Sox. I just checked, and we still have three viable starters and Connor Wong catching. We're in great shape.

 

It's all about Turner and a big second half from Devers.

[notin]

He prefers prescreened radio callers.

 

1. Find a media outlet that attracts people who agree with you.

 

2. Listen until Confirmation Bias kicks in.

 

3. Proclaim the entire world shared your viewpoint.

 

It’s a 3-step plan worthy of Special Agent Oso…

[wyo-sox]

I keep asking them to name just one "Bloom supporter" after they act like there are a dozen.

 

I've yet to hear just one name.

 

(I'm thinking maybe Max is one, and I don't mean that as a bad thing.)

 

I might be becoming one.... I was really down on this team... but as I assess it at the half-way point... gotta' say I like it and see where it could go on quite a run. They've managed to stay above .500 without half of a pitching staff, without a SS, without a 2B. Houck and Sale will likely give us some quality starts over the second half. Story- no matter how far behind he is will be a huge improvement over our SS play in the first half. I think the leash shortens on Casas the more competitive we get and Turner plays a bit more 1B also. I see no reason that we can't make a run. We are seeing Tampa Bay crash back to earth... and the rest of the AL East teams are in our reach.

 

So Bloom made some horrible moves- namely Kluber, and putting every day postiion status on Kike. But got to give him credit for Yoshi, Turner, Wong, Chris Martin... kinda give him credit for Duran.... overall I think I find more to like about this team than what I see not to like. Not a Bloom fan---- but close.

[moonslav59]

I might be becoming one.... I was really down on this team... but as I assess it at the half-way point... gotta' say I like it and see where it could go on quite a run. They've managed to stay above .500 without half of a pitching staff, without a SS, without a 2B. Houck and Sale will likely give us some quality starts over the second half. Story- no matter how far behind he is will be a huge improvement over our SS play in the first half. I think the leash shortens on Casas the more competitive we get and Turner plays a bit more 1B also. I see no reason that we can't make a run. We are seeing Tampa Bay crash back to earth... and the rest of the AL East teams are in our reach.

 

So Bloom made some horrible moves- namely Kluber, and putting every day postiion status on Kike. But got to give him credit for Yoshi, Turner, Wong, Chris Martin... kinda give him credit for Duran.... overall I think I find more to like about this team than what I see not to like. Not a Bloom fan---- but close.

 

I think a lot of us have supported some aspects, defended sone unwarranted hypercriticism or feel like he has pretty much done what he was asked to do, but nobody supports everything or nearly everything he's done.

 

I think some think I'm a big supporter, because I seem to be defending him a lot and adding context, like "what do you expect to get for a SP at $10M/1" other tha Kluber and Richards, and he did get guys like Wacha and Hill for even cheaper, but I'd grade Bloom near a C, with a lot of his grade still incomplete.

 

His farm building is largely unknown, and most draftees and IFAs need 4+ years to start making an impact. He has brought us Whitlock, Wink and Wong from the farm.

 

I expected more "Gems in the rough," but he has found Schreiber, Refsnyder, Arroyo, and more recently Bernardino among others.

 

He has made some swings and misses on a lot of moves, but again, big moves often fail, so what should be expected of one year signings?

 

Good: Yoshida (so far), Wacha, Hill, Turner, Jensen, Martin, Strahm, Renfroe, Whitlock Rule 5, Schreiber, Refsnyder,

Okay: Arroyo, Dugo & Wong trade, Wink trade

Could be good: Duvall, McGuire trade, EValdez & Abreu trade

Could be bad: Story

Bad: Kluber, Richards, Perez I & II (signed him a year too early), Kike II, Barnes extension & The JBJ trade

Marwin, Andriese and other lower level signings

 

Plus, he did not trade away Bello, Casas, Houck, Duran and others.

 

I know we all tend to dwell on the negative, and to me, there seems to be more posters who act like nearly everything Bloom does is bad, and nobody acts like nearly everything he does has been good, and this list shows it's a mixed bag.

 

To me, a lot has to do with what was expected back in 2019 and one's views of the foundation handed over to Bloom.

[Hugh2]

I don't mind the buy/sell strategy, but not how it played out last year. It could make sense to free up some space on the 40-man by getting rid of some redundancy, but I don't want to see an integral piece (like Vasquez) go. For example, don't trade Paxton if you want to go for it but one of Kike or Duvall makes sense.

[moonslav59]

If we are still in it, I hope we are buyers, without parting with any top 5 prospects. I could see trading Duvall and maybe try to guess right on trading while the stock is high on someone like Crawford or Wink, but only if we somehow get a solid SP'er.

 

I hated what we did, last year. (I hated the deals made in 2012, too, but that ended up working out.)

 

Playing it halfway is almost always a losing strategy.

[mvp 78]

If we are still in it, I hope we are buyers, without parting with any top 5 prospects. I could see trading Duvall and maybe try to guess right on trading while the stock is high on someone like Crawford or Wink, but only if we somehow get a solid SP'er.

 

I hated what we did, last year. (I hated the deals made in 2012, too, but that ended up working out.)

 

Playing it halfway is almost always a losing strategy.

 

If they were really going to go for it (I wouldn't), this would be the year to deal Perales since he has to be Rule 5 protected this offseason.

[moonslav59]

If they were really going to go for it (I wouldn't), this would be the year to deal Perales since he has to be Rule 5 protected this offseason.

 

Good point. I'd think Mata, Walter or Murphy might be, too. We might be able to use some cleared up roster spaces for returning IL players and for Rule 5, this winter.

 

Dalbec can be a throw-in, but I'm not sure he'd help much and might be worth holding onto, instead.

[mvp 78]

Good point. I'd think Mata, Walter or Murphy might be, too. We might be able to use some cleared up roster spaces for returning IL players and for Rule 5, this winter.

 

Dalbec can be a throw-in, but I'm not sure he'd help much and might be worth holding onto, instead.

 

I have no idea how much value Mata would have right now.

[Maxbialystock]

It's all about Turner and a big second half from Devers.

 

I was being facetious. I love where the Sox are right now, but am semi-frantic about the 2d half with all those injuries still on the IL. We not only don't know how good they will be when the return, we don't even know when they'll be back.

 

We can be pretty sure Sale and Houck won't be back until August--and maybe Whitlock too. Meanwhile, however, Pivetta is an option and Kluber--if you believe in that 30 pitch bullpen session--might be.

[Maxbialystock]

Sox are in position to make a second-half run, but it's folly to expect they'll do it without pitching reinforcements beyond rehabbing injured guys.

 

Buy. Here's a trade proposal accepted by BTV that will help now but maybe hurt later: Boston gets starter Jordan Montgomery and reliever Andre Pallante from St. Louis for Nick Yorke. Pallante is only 24 and possibly a future starter. Jordan Hicks, 26, actually has less trade value and is an alternative.

 

We'll soon see how serious Bloom is about competing this year. After all, he can just sign Montgomery next winter without giving up a top prospect... as long as the lefty accepts a one-year contract of around $10 million.

 

Agree with buy and with going for pitching. And am utter clueless about specifics. You, moonslav, and practically all other talksoxers are less clueless than I.

 

My only additional thought is that July 14-31, 17 days, will likely have an effect on buy vs. sell and how much of either.

[mvp 78]

Agree with buy and with going for pitching. And am utter clueless about specifics. You, moonslav, and practically all other talksoxers are less clueless than I.

 

My only additional thought is that July 14-31, 17 days, will likely have an effect on buy vs. sell and how much of either.

 

If Sale was healthy, Whitlock was healthy and there was a clear path to the playoffs it would make sense to be a buyer. I just don't really see it this year.

[Bellhorn04]

If Sale was healthy, Whitlock was healthy and there was a clear path to the playoffs it would make sense to be a buyer. I just don't really see it this year.

 

Hmmm, that sounds familiar...it's like Groundhog Year!