The Red Sox starting rotation -- long term

[Old Red]

.000 BA against LHP, yeah, I'd let Kike play 2nd vs. LHP.

 

Arroyo is back very soon, and he’ll be in the mix somewhere.

[vegasbob]

Here's a thought on Duvall's return, which will be good to see. He put up unusually high stats in his total of 8 games (36 PAs) , and created buzz that Bloom had found a power hitting OF'er . Someone along with Turner to bat around Devers , getting Raffy some better pitches.

 

Adam is effectively back at ST in terms of mid-season game readiness and speed. His wrist may be medically healed but will Duvall favor it, be reluctant for awhile to go hard or coming in firing away. I think he will need 8-10 games to get up to speed , say mid-late June . Those AB's will come from DH ( Turner to 1B) and Duran, maybe a turn in LF resting Yoshi . At that point , the team will have a sense as to how good Duvall may be going forward, and who needs to demoted, DFA'ed or IL'ed. The short term question is that if Arroyo and Duvall return close to each other , there will need to be 2 slots opened on the 26. Who is most likely to go.....for Duvall , is it Tapia, Refsnyder, or Duran, who has options ? For Arroyo, is it Valdez who does have options.

 

Still too early to outguess the trade deadline opportunities , but at least the 40 man roster this year does contain a small surplus of players who have shown some MLB skills for Boston . Looking towards July to reshape what should have been done December-March

Edited June 1, 2023 by vegasbob

[Hugh2]

Arroyo is back very soon, and he’ll be in the mix somewhere.

 

He's been worse than KIKE and more than .100 points vs. LHP too. If this team ever gets fully healthy Arroyo might be a trade/DFA candidate.

[moonslav59]

He's been worse than KIKE and more than .100 points vs. LHP too. If this team ever gets fully healthy Arroyo might be a trade/DFA candidate.

 

I think Valdez is a better option than Arroyo- plus he bats lefty.

[Old Red]

Theres no way Valdez should be starting vs. LHP with Kike on the roster. I'll take his .680 OPS vs. the .111 OPS any day.

 

Kudos to Cora for pinch hitting for Kike last night.

[Hugh2]

Kudos to Cora for pinch hitting for Kike last night.

 

As he should have vs. the RHP Simms.

Edited June 1, 2023 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[moonslav59]

Here's a thought on Duvall's return, which will be good to see. He put up unusually high stats in his total of 8 games (36 PAs) , and created buzz that Bloom had found a power hitting OF'er . Someone along with Turner to bat around Devers , getting Raffy some better pitches.

 

Adam is effectively back at ST in terms of mid-season game readiness and speed. His wrist may be medically healed but will Duvall favor it, be reluctant for awhile to go hard or coming in firing away. I think he will need 8-10 games to get up to speed , say mid-late June . Those AB's will come from DH ( Turner to 1B) and Duran, maybe a turn in LF resting Yoshi . At that point , the team will have a sense as to how good Duvall may be going forward, and who needs to demoted, DFA'ed or IL'ed. The short term question is that if Arroyo and Duvall return close to each other , there will need to be 2 slots opened on the 26. Who is most likely to go.....for Duvall , is it Tapia or Duran, who has options ? For Arroyo, is it Valdez who does have options.

 

Still too early to outguess the trade deadline opportunities , but at least the 40 man roster this year does contain a small surplus of players who have shown some MLB skills for Boston . Looking towards July to reshape what should have been done December-March

 

I don't think Duvall will come near those 8 game numbers, but he did hit 38 HRs and lead the league in RBI in 2021.

 

He should give the offense a big boost, especially vs LHPs. He's also better on D than many might think he is, but LF should be his spot. (Can't bench Casas or Turner, though.)

 

My guess is, we trade Arroyo and Tapia.

[Old Red]

As he should have vs. the RHP Simms.

 

I agree with that, but it doesn’t happen with Kike very often.

[vegasbob]

There is also a possibility that Arroyo should be DFA'ed to see if he brings any offers from other teams . Christian, like the other Christian Vazquez, has had adequate time to show his stuff and I don't see him being any key to the future in Boston. Not that Chang is either . Enmanuel still has a ways to go and may need more time in AAA, but he will be cheap and under control for multiple years.

 

LOL, Mondesi is not even on any radar as a possible contributor this year or likely in the future.

Edited June 1, 2023 by vegasbob

[Hugh2]

I agree with that, but it doesn’t happen with Kike very often.

 

No, but I suspect when they get healthy (If they get healthy) you will see more of that.

[Old Red]

There is also a possibility that Arroyo should be DFA'ed to see if he brings any offers from other teams . Christian, like the other Christian Vazquez, has had adequate time to show his stuff and I don't see him being any key to the future in Boston. Not that Chang is either . Enmanuel still has a ways to go and may need more time in AAA, but he will be cheap and under control for multiple years.

 

LOL, Mondesi is not even on any radar as a possible contributor this year or likely in the future.

 

It will be interesting to see what Bloom does with the Arroyo, and Duvall situations on who comes, and goes. To many IF, and you don’t need 6 OF.

[notin]

He's been worse than KIKE and more than .100 points vs. LHP too. If this team ever gets fully healthy Arroyo might be a trade/DFA candidate.

 

More likely a DFA than a trade…

[notin]

It will be interesting to see what Bloom does with the Arroyo, and Duvall situations on who comes, and goes. To many IF, and you don’t need 6 OF.

 

Demote Duran…

[mvp 78]

1. As a good shortstop, he is the best option at a defensive weak spot.

 

2. If he’s called up for defense, who cares how he hits? The guy he’s replacing is fielding poorly with a .660 OPS. If he fields well, how far below that .660 is acceptable?

 

He wouldn't hit 660 in MLB. Below 550? Under 500? Why ruin any development you've tried to put into him at this point. At least let him succeed.

[mvp 78]

Demote Duran…

 

He's been HORRIBLE in May.

[MADSTORK]

News Flash....Young pitcher working on his command.

 

Lmao! Young? Player was 24 in A ball

Keep sipping the Bloom Crockett Kool-Aid

 

I’ll quote the greatest Six manager in history Terry Francona

“Good luck with that “

[Old Red]

He wouldn't hit 660 in MLB. Below 550? Under 500? Why ruin any development you've tried to put into him at this point. At least let him succeed.

 

He’s also being groomed more so as an OF, and not a SS.

[Dipre]

He's been HORRIBLE in May.

 

He can still defend and run though, and he's young and has upside. Let him take his lumps.

[Hugh2]

Lmao! Young? Player was 24 in A ball

Keep sipping the Bloom Crockett Kool-Aid

 

I’ll quote the greatest Six manager in history Terry Francona

“Good luck with that “

 

How does it feel to be widely regarded as the dumbest poster in here.

 

I’m not going to bother even debating this point because every knows you won’t understand. Go drink some drano and crawl back under your rock little man

[Dipre]

Dftt

[mvp 78]

Lmao! Young? Player was 24 in A ball

Keep sipping the Bloom Crockett Kool-Aid

 

I’ll quote the greatest Six manager in history Terry Francona

“Good luck with that “

 

No, he wasn't. Do you think the birth certificate he has is lying or his listed birthdate on fangraphs is wrong?

[mvp 78]

He’s also being groomed more so as an OF, and not a SS.

 

He still plays SS like once a week, but I just don't see them calling him up all the way to BOS to play SS. He is struggling at the plate and his highest value is in CF. Bringing him up to play SS doesn't make much sense. Just wait until Chang is healthy or whatever.

[Old Red]

He still plays SS like once a week, but I just don't see them calling him up all the way to BOS to play SS. He is struggling at the plate and his highest value is in CF. Bringing him up to play SS doesn't make much sense. Just wait until Chang is healthy or whatever.

 

The Sox do need a defensive SS badly, but I agree with this.

[Hugh2]

No, he wasn't. Do you think the birth certificate he has is lying or his listed birthdate on fangraphs is wrong?

 

He can't even troll right.

[notin]

He’s also being groomed more so as an OF, and not a SS.

 

And Betts was a 2b until they questioned if Bradley would ever hit MLB pitching.

 

Players do change positions all the time. Heck the Marlins have last year’s SS playing CF this year…

[mvp 78]

And Betts was a 2b until they questioned if Bradley would ever hit MLB pitching.

 

Players do change positions all the time. Heck the Marlins have last year’s SS playing CF this year…

 

We've already seen Rafaela play SS. We know what he is and he's better in CF. Mookie was better in the OF, that's why they moved him there. Mookie was able to hit in AA and AAA. Rafaela isn't hitting.

[Old Red]

And Betts was a 2b until they questioned if Bradley would ever hit MLB pitching.

 

Players do change positions all the time. Heck the Marlins have last year’s SS playing CF this year…

Reggie Smith was a 2B too, before he moved to CF. So what? The Red Sox already have their next SS of the future in Portland with Mayer, so RAF I believe stays in the OF. He’s still a ways away from seeing time in Boston. Nice try.

[Hugh2]

I have serious reservations about Rafaela’s bat. I don’t think he’s going to hit. Base case scenario he’s a .680 ops guy in my book. Also, his defense in CF is elite, his defense at SS is just good. With a little progression or step forward he could be a regular in CF, I don’t want to mess up his development.

 

Just plug Reyes at SS and bat him 9th. The team will better

[notin]

Lmao! Young? Player was 24 in A ball

Keep sipping the Bloom Crockett Kool-Aid

 

I’ll quote the greatest Six manager in history Terry Francona

“Good luck with that “

 

Still sticking with 24 in A ball?

 

Stork never lets the truth get in the way of trash talk. How many years was he taunting this forum with “Bloom turned down Berrios for Duran” when that “rumor” was started by ME??!?

[notin]

Reggie Smith was a 2B too, before he moved to CF. So what? The Red Sox already have their next SS of the future in Portland with Mayer, so RAF I believe stays in the OF. He’s still a ways away from seeing time in Boston. Nice try.

 

Way to counter my idea with another example of it happening. That’s not how counterexamples work.

 

And maybe Duran has taken steps towards being the CF of the future, so Rafaela can/should(?) be re-purposed. He has the skills.