Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension

[moonslav59]

Has the 2023 season started yet? The 2022 team is still the team on record. It’s not that hard to comprehend that, or at least it shouldn’t be.

 

You called the 2022 team a turd. You say we are still that team, until we play some games.

 

Then you say, "NO ONE said Anything about the 2023 as being a turd, but you."

 

You still don't get it. You implied this is the same "turd team," without saying it.

 

I totally "comprehend" your point. Stop acting like not agreeing is not understanding.

 

You think the team you love was a turd and will be until proven otherwise. I totally comprehend your pessimistic outlook.

[Old Red]

You called the 2022 team a turd. You say we are still that team, until we play some games.

 

Then you say, "NO ONE said Anything about the 2023 as being a turd, but you."

 

You still don't get it. You implied this is the same "turd team," without saying it.

 

I totally "comprehend" your point. Stop acting like not agreeing is not understanding.

 

You think the team you love was a turd and will be until proven otherwise. I totally comprehend your pessimistic outlook.

 

You still don’t get it, so don’t try. The trying to polish the turd point comes from you say that if the Red Sox played in another Div they wouldn’t be in last place, and if the Red Sox didn’t have to play the bad AL East teams so much they would also have a better record, but they do play in the AL East, and they did end up in last place, and they did have a losing record, so you making excuses is polishing the turd part.

[notin]

Has the 2023 season started yet? The 2022 team is still the team on record. It’s not that hard to comprehend that, or at least it shouldn’t be.

 

All that was said is the 2022 Red Sox won 78 games. Did they or didn’t they?

[Bellhorn04]

Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush...

[dgalehouse]

Will Old Red and Moonslav be able to work out their differences ? Will things be analyzed to the fullest ? Will the turd be polished correctly ? Will there be even more and longer lists ? And what about Bloom ? Tune in tomorrow to the next episode of Days of Our Sox .

[Old Red]

Will Old Red and Moonslav be able to work out their differences ? Will things be analyzed to the fullest ? Will the turd be polished correctly ? Will there be even more and longer lists ? And what about Bloom ? Tune in tomorrow to the next episode of Days of Our Sox .

 

Love it! But to me the most important question is will the Red Sox getter better under Bloom?

[moonslav59]

You still don’t get it, so don’t try. The trying to polish the turd point comes from you say that if the Red Sox played in another Div they wouldn’t be in last place, and if the Red Sox didn’t have to play the bad AL East teams so much they would also have a better record, but they do play in the AL East, and they did end up in last place, and they did have a losing record, so you making excuses is polishing the turd part.

 

You called the team a turd. I did not misquote you.

[moonslav59]

Love it! But to me the most important question is will the Red Sox getter better under Bloom?

 

Yes, that is the most important question to you.

 

It says it all... about you.

[redsoxrules]

The number of Debbie Downer posts on a thread about the Red Sox doing what most people have been hoping for is pretty hilarious.

 

I was never a fan of giving 300+ million to Devers simply for the fact he only impacts the game with his bat. Which is obviously important as they need to score runs but when you look at guys like Betts, Trout, Machado, Arenado they impact the game in many ways. What happens if Devers has a few down years with the bat? At least if he was a top notch Defender he would still have an impact. Many are also saying he will be a DH in the near future. Quite a process tag for a DH.

[StephenCurry30]

I was never a fan of giving 300+ million to Devers simply for the fact he only impacts the game with his bat. Which is obviously important as they need to score runs but when you look at guys like Betts, Trout, Machado, Arenado they impact the game in many ways. What happens if Devers has a few down years with the bat? At least if he was a top notch Defender he would still have an impact. Many are also saying he will be a DH in the near future. Quite a process tag for a DH.

Devers is a little chunky but he could Move to 1B

[moonslav59]

I was never a fan of giving 300+ million to Devers simply for the fact he only impacts the game with his bat. Which is obviously important as they need to score runs but when you look at guys like Betts, Trout, Machado, Arenado they impact the game in many ways. What happens if Devers has a few down years with the bat? At least if he was a top notch Defender he would still have an impact. Many are also saying he will be a DH in the near future. Quite a process tag for a DH.

 

Bogey didn't really "impact the game" with his D, either.

 

Betts was the full deal.

[Jasonbay44]

I was never a fan of giving 300+ million to Devers simply for the fact he only impacts the game with his bat. Which is obviously important as they need to score runs but when you look at guys like Betts, Trout, Machado, Arenado they impact the game in many ways. What happens if Devers has a few down years with the bat? At least if he was a top notch Defender he would still have an impact. Many are also saying he will be a DH in the near future. Quite a process tag for a DH.

Those 4 guys you mentioned are also generational talents who probably all make the hall of fame, especially Mookie and Trout, those guys don’t come around often.

[redsoxrules]

Bogey didn't really "impact the game" with his D, either.

 

Betts was the full deal.

 

I never mentioned Bogey in this. We all know we could of had him alot cheaper if they didn't go the Story way last year

[moonslav59]

I never mentioned Bogey in this. We all know we could of had him alot cheaper if they didn't go the Story way last year

 

No doubt.

 

I'm just pointing out that so-so D at a premium position is probably not any better than so-so at 3B.

[redsoxrules]

No doubt.

 

I'm just pointing out that so-so D at a premium position is probably not any better than so-so at 3B.

 

Devers stinks on D. Since 2018 he's dead last on DRS with minimum 1000 innings played. Paying someone over 300 Million with no D is terrible. He's basically a DH.

His WRC is 49th since 2018. Heck, Giancarlo Stanton has a better WRC than he does. You don't pay over 300 Mil for a player unless he's upper tier when it comes to performing

[moonslav59]

The Devers contract details were finally announced. The tax hit begins in 2024, which seems strange to me, unless we plan on spending $20-21M more, this season.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/rafael-devers-extension-goes-into-effect-in-2024-for-luxury-tax-purposes.html

 

There are deferrals included, so the "tax hit" after 2023 will be about $29+M not $31+M, as previously thought.

 

The signing bonus part, again, looks confusing, since it appears he gets that, now, but it doesn't count on this year's tax line. Go figure. Here is the MLBTR quote"

 

Devers receives a $20MM signing bonus, followed by his established $17.5MM salary in 2023. He receives salaries of $27.5MM annually from 2024-26, $31MM per year from 2027-30 and $29MM salaries between 2031-33.

[moonslav59]

Devers stinks on D. Since 2018 he's dead last on DRS with minimum 1000 innings played. Paying someone over 300 Million with no D is terrible. He's basically a DH.

His WRC is 49th since 2018. Heck, Giancarlo Stanton has a better WRC than he does. You don't pay over 300 Mil for a player unless he's upper tier when it comes to performing

 

With inflation, I guess $300M is the new $250M.

 

Of all our stars who deserved over $300M, it was Betts. To me, Devers was second and Bogey 3rd. Yes, defense issues clouded both of these two's value calculations, but is there another $290M player you wished we signed, instead?

[notin]

Devers stinks on D. Since 2018 he's dead last on DRS with minimum 1000 innings played. Paying someone over 300 Million with no D is terrible. He's basically a DH.

His WRC is 49th since 2018. Heck, Giancarlo Stanton has a better WRC than he does. You don't pay over 300 Mil for a player unless he's upper tier when it comes to performing

 

 

His defense is awful.

 

But also, he is third in MLB for career fWAR for players 26 and under, behind only Juan Soto and Ronald Acuna Jr…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

His defense is awful.

 

But also, he is third in MLB for career fWAR for players 26 and under, behind only Juan Soto and Ronald Acuna Jr…

 

bWAR 2019-22

(through age 25):

 

Soto 20.1

Devers 14.0

Acuna 13.7

Alvarez 13.6

Tatis 13.6

[Bellhorn04]

The Devers contract details were finally announced. The tax hit begins in 2024, which seems strange to me, unless we plan on spending $20-21M more, this season.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/rafael-devers-extension-goes-into-effect-in-2024-for-luxury-tax-purposes.html

 

There are deferrals included, so the "tax hit" after 2023 will be about $29+M not $31+M, as previously thought.

 

The signing bonus part, again, looks confusing, since it appears he gets that, now, but it doesn't count on this year's tax line. Go figure. Here is the MLBTR quote"

 

Devers receives a $20MM signing bonus, followed by his established $17.5MM salary in 2023. He receives salaries of $27.5MM annually from 2024-26, $31MM per year from 2027-30 and $29MM salaries between 2031-33.

 

Bellhorn was right!

[moonslav59]

Bellhorn was right!

 

Now, the updated article says the lux tax hit will be $31.1M starting in 2024, not $29.1M as started earlier this morning.

 

As reported last night, that keeps his 2023 luxury tax hit at $17.5MM (the sum of the one-year deal he agreed to in order to avoid arbitration), while the $31.35MM luxury hit on his extension will go into effect in 2024.

 

Before, they wrote this...

 

According to Speier, some of that money will be deferred. Doing so will bring the deal’s luxury tax hit for the 2024-33 campaigns to a bit above $29MM. That suggests the contract’s net present value is actually somewhere around the $290MM range. A straight ten-year, $313.5MM contract would’ve had a luxury tax number of $31.35MM, on the other hand.

[moonslav59]

Bellhorn was right!

 

I still don't get how they can pay him a signing bonus in 2023 but it counts in the 2024 and beyond deal, but I guess it's allowed.

[Bellhorn04]

I still don't get how they can pay him a signing bonus in 2023 but it counts in the 2024 and beyond deal, but I guess it's allowed.

 

Yes, the signing bonus just gets spread out over the term of the contract for AAV purposes. Technically it would increase the present value of the money, because he's receiving the bonus in advance. I expect there are provisions that cover all of this.

[moonslav59]

Yes, the signing bonus just gets spread out over the term of the contract for AAV purposes. Technically it would increase the present value of the money, because he's receiving the bonus in advance. I expect there are provisions that cover all of this.

 

I knew about the signing bonus getting spread out and into the AAV, but it seems like a strange loophole that he can be paid now and not count towards 2023.

 

The fact that they chose to not have it start, now, makes me think they plan on spending more, this winter or summer, or else they would have tried to lessen the tax hit over the extension part of the deal by a million or so, each year.

 

What's left to spend on? Andrus & Fulmer? There has been no talk of adding another pitcher. Maybe trade for a high-priced catcher and or SS and or 2Bman?

[Bellhorn04]

I knew about the signing bonus getting spread out and into the AAV, but it seems like a strange loophole that he can be paid now and not count towards 2023.

 

I don't see it as a loophole. It's just about timing of payments. Some contracts have crazy long-term deferrals. This is just the flip side of that.

[Hugh2]

The Devers contract details were finally announced. The tax hit begins in 2024, which seems strange to me, unless we plan on spending $20-21M more, this season.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/rafael-devers-extension-goes-into-effect-in-2024-for-luxury-tax-purposes.html

 

There are deferrals included, so the "tax hit" after 2023 will be about $29+M not $31+M, as previously thought.

 

The signing bonus part, again, looks confusing, since it appears he gets that, now, but it doesn't count on this year's tax line. Go figure. Here is the MLBTR quote"

 

Devers receives a $20MM signing bonus, followed by his established $17.5MM salary in 2023. He receives salaries of $27.5MM annually from 2024-26, $31MM per year from 2027-30 and $29MM salaries between 2031-33.

 

Makes perfect sense, Sox still need maybe two infielders now, or maybe one and a CFer. Also, you need space to bring guys up and there’s always the trade deadline

 

Also, at this point, it makes 100% sense to reset this season. It might have been harder to fill those holes if we added AAV this year.

[notin]

bWAR 2019-22

(through age 25):

 

Soto 20.1

Devers 14.0

Acuna 13.7

Alvarez 13.6

Tatis 13.6

 

I added one more year, but basically the same.

 

Acuna missed a lot of time but IMO is a better player than Devers, and this is not a slight to Devers at all.

 

To me, Devers is clearly among the handful of best MLB players age 26 and under. Bad glove or not, he is still a solid foundation to build around.

 

That said, I’d deal him for Soto in a heartbeat…

[Old Red]

I added one more year, but basically the same.

 

Acuna missed a lot of time but IMO is a better player than Devers, and this is not a slight to Devers at all.

 

To me, Devers is clearly among the handful of best MLB players age 26 and under. Bad glove or not, he is still a solid foundation to build around.

 

That said, I’d deal him for Soto in a heartbeat…

 

Are you going to pay more money for Soto’s contract also?

[moonslav59]

I don't see it as a loophole. It's just about timing of payments. Some contracts have crazy long-term deferrals. This is just the flip side of that.

 

I get it. I just never heard of upfront payments not counting towards this year's pay.

 

Unless we get right up to the line, this year, it might have made more sense to spread it out to lessen the hit over the next 10 years.

[Bellhorn04]

I get it. I just never heard of upfront payments not counting towards this year's pay.

 

Unless we get right up to the line, this year, it might have made more sense to spread it out to lessen the hit over the next 10 years.

 

Well, this gives us about an extra 12 mill to play with this year. 12 mill over 10 years = 1.2 mill per year.

 

Seems to me this is better.