Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension

[vegasbob]

It's one area he has done pretty well, unless you count the 2022 non-fire sale against him.

 

The 2022 failure to get some value back for any 1 or all of Bogaerts, Wacha, Eovaldi, JDM , like most things in hindsight, was huge . A capitulation fire sale would have been PR disaster but so will missing the 2023 playoffs, if that should happen.

 

Bloom has more depth to work with this year but some clear needs . He also has some dilemmas , like CF ( will Duran be a long term factor ?); 1B ( when will Casas figure it out-pull the trigger?) ; who is the real SS ( is Story the guy or does he go to 2B?);

C ( Is Wong the answer as #1, is McGuire a problem with the pitchers ?) . Can he get anything for Dalbec , Arroyo, Kike that helps in another area ? And those names don't address pitching like a reliable #2 SP and Houck/Whitlock vs the BP .

[moonslav59]

The 2022 failure to get some value back for any 1 or all of Bogaerts, Wacha, Eovaldi, JDM , like most things in hindsight, was huge . A capitulation fire sale would have been PR disaster but so will missing the 2023 playoffs, if that should happen.

 

Bloom has more depth to work with this year but some clear needs . He also has some dilemmas , like CF ( will Duran be a long term factor ?); 1B ( when will Casas figure it out-pull the trigger?) ; who is the real SS ( is Story the guy or does he go to 2B?);

C ( Is Wong the answer as #1, is McGuire a problem with the pitchers ?) . Can he get anything for Dalbec , Arroyo, Kike that helps in another area ? And those names don't address pitching like a reliable #2 SP and Houck/Whitlock vs the BP .

 

Good points.

 

There were a few that felt, at least a mini-fire sale, larger than Vaz, was called for.

 

We have about 2 months before the August 1st deadline, so we should know mre about Casas, Duran, Valdez and others, and perhaps more importantly, about Story, Duvall, and Mondesi. We may also have new injury concerns by then, too.

 

Bloom has shown he can do well with these types of trades, but mostly as a seller. His biggest prospect traded away as a buyer was Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber. Next, might have been Groome for Hosmer and 2 prospects (Rosier & Ferguson,) so even that trade was not really a full sell trade.

 

Pivetta

Schwarber

McGuire

Robles & Davis

Valdez & Abreu

plus some minor moves (not all trades) like Pham, Iggy, Shaw...

[mvp 78]

(MLB Leaders, not AL only)

 

@itsbrianbarrett

Raffy

 

.530 SLG - 11th

.877 OPS - 12th

.256 ISO - 11th

29 HR - t-9th

85 RBIs - t-8th

52.8% hard hit rate - 10th

 

He’s gonna hit his numbers despite some bad luck …

 

.286 BABIP - 100th of 139 qualifiers

 

Per the numbers, he's maybe the 3rd best hitter in the AL this season behind Ohtani and Robert.

[Old Red]

(MLB Leaders, not AL only)

 

@itsbrianbarrett

Raffy

 

.530 SLG - 11th

.877 OPS - 12th

.256 ISO - 11th

29 HR - t-9th

85 RBIs - t-8th

52.8% hard hit rate - 10th

 

He’s gonna hit his numbers despite some bad luck …

 

.286 BABIP - 100th of 139 qualifiers

 

Per the numbers, he's maybe the 3rd best hitter in the AL this season behind Ohtani and Robert.

 

But does the eye test show that he has been as good as his power numbers suggest? I don’t think it does unlike JT, which clearly does.

[Bellhorn04]

But does the eye test show that he has been as good as his power numbers suggest?

 

My Old School Eyes

See 85 RBI

[Old Red]

My Old School Eyes

See 85 RBI

 

To me it just doesn’t seem like it where JT has had big hit, after bit hit, after big hit. Just a perception I guess.

[Bellhorn04]

To me it just doesn’t seem like it where JT has had big hit, after bit hit, after big hit. Just a perception I guess.

 

JT has had some big hits, no question.

[mvp 78]

To me it just doesn’t seem like it where JT has had big hit, after bit hit, after big hit. Just a perception I guess.

 

Bias. This is why the eye test doesn't work well.

 

The dude has even put up good old school numbers and people still say it isn't enough (should end with .280 AVG/35 HR/100 RBI).

[Dipre]

But does the eye test show that he has been as good as his power numbers suggest? I don’t think it does unlike JT, which clearly does.

 

I mean have the homers and doubles been half homers and half doubles? He as an .872 OPS in high leverage situations, which isn't insanity like JT's 1.039 in high leverage situations, but he's no slouch.

[Maxbialystock]

Turner was a terrific acquisition and is a big asset this season. But comparing him to Devers is just silly because they both play for the Sox. Devers leads the Sox right now in rbi's, total bases, OPS, and WAR. Edited August 21, 2023 by Maxbialystock

[Dipre]

I don't get the Devers bashing.

[vegasbob]

IMO, the difference this year with Devers and Turner is a matter of consistency. Devers is streaky, Turner seems reliable to have the AB that is needed in the situation. Devers has the mind of a teenager

[moonslav59]

IMO, the difference this year with Devers and Turner is a matter of consistency. Devers is streaky, Turner seems reliable to have the AB that is needed in the situation. Devers has the mind of a teenager

 

That may or may not be true, but if true, it might not be a bad thing.

 

My dream came true: Devers Forvers!

[Dipre]

IMO, the difference this year with Devers and Turner is a matter of consistency. Devers is streaky, Turner seems reliable to have the AB that is needed in the situation. Devers has the mind of a teenager

 

Do you know him personally, in order to make this claim?

[Bellhorn04]

Raffy is explosive. Sure glad to have him on our team.

[moonslav59]

Raffy is explosive. Sure glad to have him on our team.

 

I'm fine with streakiness, as long as the end result is over .850. Sometimes, a team needs one hot player to carry them all by himself.

 

The other thing about his "slumps:" usually his worst stretches he hits around .700. Others have long stretches of .600 or even .500-.550 ball.

[Dipre]

Every player in the history of MLB has been streaky, to an extent. It's just the nature of the game.

 

Also of note. Devers had a bad May, as did the rest of the team, but other than that his worst OPS in a month was June with an .815 mark.

[Old Red]

Bias. This is why the eye test doesn't work well.

 

The dude has even put up good old school numbers and people still say it isn't enough (should end with .280 AVG/35 HR/100 RBI).

 

Everything begins with the eye test. There would be no stats without the eye test to begin with. All I said was that the eye test to me doesn’t equate that his power numbers are as good as his stats say, and JT’s does maybe because there have been many which seem like long spells without the power, and RBI. I’m not saying Raffy is bad, but if it seems like it does to some then confusion will run wild.

[mvp 78]

I don't get the Devers bashing.

 

He leads the team in extra base hits with 56 and total bases at 236. The next closest is Turner at 46 and 210 (only 5 less games played).

[Dipre]

Everything begins with the eye test. There would be no stats without the eye test to begin with. All I said was that the eye test to me doesn’t equate that his power numbers are as good as his stats say, and JT’s does maybe because there have been many which seem like long spells without the power, and RBI. I’m not saying Raffy is bad, but if it seems like it does to some then confusion will run wild.

 

This is flat out nonsense. Numbers are objective. You're trying to justify your consistently incorrect take on things with another incorrect conclusion. Just amazing.

[mvp 78]

Turner IS playing great this season in high leverage situations, but it's far and away better than he's ever performed in those situations before. For his career, he's been worse overall (even when including this year) in high leverage situations than in context neutral environments.

[Old Red]

This is flat out nonsense. Numbers are objective. You're trying to justify your consistently incorrect take on things with another incorrect conclusion. Just amazing.

 

The eye test gets people going every time. You see it how you see it, and I see it as I see it. It’s really not so amazing, but of course it gets that way on here, because only one way is right.

[Old Red]

I don't get the Devers bashing.

 

Obviously you haven’t watched him play 3B this year.

[Dipre]

The eye test gets people going every time. You see it how you see it, and I see it as I see it. It’s really not so amazing, but of course it gets that way on here, because only one way is right.

 

Yeah, because like flat-earth bs, it's dumb and uninformed. But you do you.

[mvp 78]

This is flat out nonsense. Numbers are objective. You're trying to justify your consistently incorrect take on things with another incorrect conclusion. Just amazing.

 

Eye test was initially used to refute new school stats. Now it's used to even refute counting stats like HR's and RBI that they used to have boners for. It's just obvious that they don't like the guy which is why the eye test is inherently flawed due to personal biases.

 

"Oh, he has a baby brain."

 

"All THOSE HR's don't count, just the ones I like."

 

Complain about his defense! His offensive stats are fine though. His chase rate is better than it used to be. He's hitting the ball as hard as ever. His whiff rate is down.

[Dipre]

Obviously you haven’t watched him play 3B this year.

 

Move the goalposts why don't cha?

[mvp 78]

Obviously you haven’t watched him play 3B this year.

 

Well, I guess it depends on what eye test you're using!

[notin]

Eye test was initially used to refute new school stats. Now it's used to even refute counting stats like HR's and RBI that they used to have boners for. It's just obvious that they don't like the guy which is why the eye test is inherently flawed due to personal biases.

 

"Oh, he has a baby brain."

 

"All THOSE HR's don't count, just the ones I like."

 

Complain about his defense! His offensive stats are fine though. His chase rate is better than it used to be. He's hitting the ball as hard as ever. His whiff rate is down.

 

But he’s doing all that in a watered down league…

[Dipre]

Eye test was initially used to refute new school stats. Now it's used to even refute counting stats like HR's and RBI that they used to have boners for. It's just obvious that they don't like the guy which is why the eye test is inherently flawed due to personal biases.

 

"Oh, he has a baby brain."

 

"All THOSE HR's don't count, just the ones I like."

 

Complain about his defense! His offensive stats are fine though. His chase rate is better than it used to be. He's hitting the ball as hard as ever. His whiff rate is down.

 

They gave Devers all that money because they expect him to improve his pitch selection and swing decisions with a bit more maturity, because the guy has one of the best batted ball profiles in the Majors. He mashes.

[mvp 78]

But he’s doing all that in a watered down league…

 

Just wait until Kaleb Ort is the Opening Day starter for the Nashville Boppers.