Devers next deal

[mvp 78]

No lifetime pass is right, and like I’ve mentioned before Bob Kraft of the Pats is a good example of that, and JH is not in his class. It may be the same JH, but the game, and money being thrown around may have passed Henry bye. Having a $200M+ payroll today is not the same thing as it was in 2018.

 

Kraft doesn't do s***. He lucked into getting Brady and Belichick and just road their coattails. Kraft sucks. Launch that guy into the sun. He's a despicable human being.

[S5Dewey]

Are we still top 4-6, every year, except maybe 2020?

 

It's not the amount of money an owner spends, it's what he gets for that money.

 

As a fan I feel somewhat 'used' when I see Bloom wait until the major talent either gets signed or their price continues to escalate. Then the FO has the gall to imply that the signings were the best they could get at the time. I can't help but get the feeling that we as fans are being played....by a master.

[moonslav59]

Sox Among Top Payrolls (Stevetheump)

 

6th '22 (still over the tax line, but $13M from 5th place and $26M from 4th- $45M from 3rd)

3rd '21

3rd '20

1st '19

1st '18

3rd '17

3rd '16

3rd '15

4th '14

4th '13

3rd '12

3rd '11

2nd '10

4th '09

4th '08

2nd '07

2nd '06

2nd '05

2nd '04

6th '03

 

I can see looking at 2022 and thinking WTF have other teams been doing, while we stay even, but it's basically 3 teams (NYM, PHI & SDP) that have passed us, and all are in the AL. (The Rangers may pass us, soon.)

[mvp 78]

It's not the amount of money an owner spends, it's what he gets for that money.

 

As a fan I feel somewhat 'used' when I see Bloom wait until the major talent either gets signed or their price continues to escalate. Then the FO has the gall to imply that the signings were the best they could get at the time. I can't help but get the feeling that we as fans are being played....by a master.

 

How many people are going to buy the act anymore?

[S5Dewey]

How many people are going to buy the act anymore?

 

This site is made up of hard-core Red Sox fans, fans who arguably spend too much time typing about the Sox, and some of us are beginning to see through it. If this site is any indication then the act is getting very old.

[notin]

Kraft doesn't do s***. He lucked into getting Brady and Belichick and just road their coattails. Kraft sucks. Launch that guy into the sun. He's a despicable human being.

 

You do like launching people into the sun. What exactly do you have against the sun?

[moonslav59]

It's not the amount of money an owner spends, it's what he gets for that money.

 

As a fan I feel somewhat 'used' when I see Bloom wait until the major talent either gets signed or their price continues to escalate. Then the FO has the gall to imply that the signings were the best they could get at the time. I can't help but get the feeling that we as fans are being played....by a master.

 

I get that, but think about it: when you get no help from the farm, it forces the GM to spend on 12 players, instead of 3-4. Had Bloom kept the same budget and kept Betts, price and Bogey, what would the rest of the team look like?

 

The answer is easy: look at the 2020 roster and add Betts & Price.

 

We would not be winning with that strategy, either. The problem has been our farm and supporting cast.

 

Look at '22: Bloom added some FA pieces that actually worked out better than 2021, and it still wasn't even close to enough, and that was with Bogey, Nate & JD.

 

Story 6th in PAs .737 (2nd in RBI/PA)

Wacha 2nd in IP 3.32 ERA

R Hill 3rd in IP 4.27 ERA

Strahm 14th in IP 3.38 ERA

(Diekman sucked, but he got McGuire for him.)

 

The JBJ trade sucked, but the Refsnyder and previous Schreiber addition were very nice.

 

Bloom did not have enough to add the supporting caste, Story and 1-2 more big signings.

[moonslav59]

This site is made up of hard-core Red Sox fans, fans who arguably spend too much time typing about the Sox, and some of us are beginning to see through it. If this site is any indication then the act is getting very old.

 

To me, what got old was the three decades of total frustration before 2004.

 

No offense to you, I like your posts, but the act I'm seeing reeks of spoiled fans who think we are entitled to a ring every 4-6 years.

 

The team has reset it's priorities. They have watched a team like the Astros win without having to pay huge contracts by having a strong and deep farm. Yes, they lock up some key homegrown talent earlier and pretty often, but they've let the same amount of super studs go- actually, their 4 best players: Correa, Springer, Cole and Verlander. Maybe Altuve can be called top 4... maybe.

 

Here are their biggest contracts, right now:

 

$163M/7 Altuve ('18-'24) Current BTV Value +$4.6M

$100M/5 Bregman ('20-'24) -$2.8M

$85M/5 McCullers ('22-'26) -$28.8M

$59M/3 Abreu ('23-'24) -$6.2M

 

It doesn't have to be about spending bigly on 3-5 players to win, and IMO, maybe not doing that increases the chances of winning.

 

We just need to get the farm & foundation in place, first. It doesn't help doing it backwards.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Only Altuve has been there long enough to be a free agent.

 

What does that have to do with it? Alvarez is signed through 2028, but he doesn't count?

[mvp 78]

You do like launching people into the sun. What exactly do you have against the sun?

 

The sun is large enough that it can take it. My second choice would be to launch people into Jupiter, but it's further away. I think it'd be a trickier shot.

[moonslav59]

The sun is large enough that it can take it. My second choice would be to launch people into Jupiter, but it's further away. I think it'd be a trickier shot.

 

Gravity favors the sun.

[Old Red]

Kraft doesn't do s***. He lucked into getting Brady and Belichick and just road their coattails. Kraft sucks. Launch that guy into the sun. He's a despicable human being.

 

I’m not a Kraft fan, or even a Pats fan for that matter, and I agree with what you say, but the point be is that to some no one gets a lifetime pass, and that includes JH.

[moonslav59]

Of course, if he murders someone, I'll be for him leaving, but unless Henry starts sending $150-190M a year on the budget, he's got my lifetime pass.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Of course, if he murders someone, I'll be for him leaving, but unless Henry starts sending $150-190M a year on the budget, he's got my lifetime pass.

 

If you were a Red Sox intern typing this, what do you think would be the percentage of Red Sox fans replying that could care less about the budget -- only on exactly who it was being spent on?

[notin]

What does that have to do with it? Alvarez is signed through 2028, but he doesn't count?

 

I think that’s the more the Sox want to be in - wrapping up younger stars before free agency.

 

The big issue has been waiting too long to get it done. Not everyone is Bogaerts and signs one year before free agency.

 

But, the point is Houston has seen plenty of their stars move on, too..

[Old Red]

If you were a Red Sox intern typing this, what do you think would be the percentage of Red Sox fans replying that could care less about the budget -- only on exactly who it was being spent on?

 

I care about the budget about has much as JH does about the fan who has to pay the highest priced tickets in MLB, and out of the kindness of his heart he increased the tickets even more next year.

[dgalehouse]

I care about the budget about has much as JH does about the fan who has to pay the highest priced tickets in MLB, and out of the kindness of his heart he increased the tickets even more next year.

 

Old John Henry is concerned about HIS budget , not yours.

[mvp 78]

I care about the budget about has much as JH does about the fan who has to pay the highest priced tickets in MLB, and out of the kindness of his heart he increased the tickets even more next year.

 

Why should Henry care about Dodgers fans?

[Bellhorn04]

I think that’s the more the Sox want to be in - wrapping up younger stars before free agency.

 

The big issue has been waiting too long to get it done. Not everyone is Bogaerts and signs one year before free agency.

 

But, the point is Houston has seen plenty of their stars move on, too..

 

Agreed, but we're not keeping ANY of ours, depending on the outcome with Devers of course.

[mvp 78]

Agreed, but we're not keeping ANY of ours, depending on the outcome with Devers of course.

 

The only extension was Whitlock and he's not at the level of "star."

[Old Red]

Why should Henry care about Dodgers fans?

 

Did the Red Sox drop down a notch? What a feel good story.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

How do you proceed with Devers?

 

Kennedy: "We’ll keep doing what I said we’re going to do, which is making the right decisions."

 

He gone.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

How do you proceed with Devers?

 

Kennedy: "We’ll keep doing what I said we’re going to do, which is making the right decisions."

 

He gone.

 

"We need to keep making the right decisions. That’s the bottom line. I would put our organization and our track record against anybody else’s in baseball, period."

 

LOL. I wish they could dump Sam Kennedy. This guy offers nothing. There's too many corporate goons.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@ChrisCotillo

How do you proceed with Devers?

 

Kennedy: "We’ll keep doing what I said we’re going to do, which is making the right decisions."

 

He gone.

 

Imagine that household on Christmas morning.

 

Watch out, kids -- make sure you wear your rubber boots so you won't step in it.

 

Thanks, Mom. Hi, Dad.

 

Happy Right Decisions, everybody!

[Hugh2]

Mark my words, and I dare someone to tag this. The Sox WILL resign Rafael Devers.

 

It

Is

Going

To

Happen.

[moonslav59]

Mark my words, and I dare someone to tag this. The Sox WILL resign Rafael Devers.

 

It

Is

Going

To

Happen.

 

I

Hope

To

HELL

You

Are

Right!

[Old Red]

"We need to keep making the right decisions. That’s the bottom line. I would put our organization and our track record against anybody else’s in baseball, period."

 

LOL. I wish they could dump Sam Kennedy. This guy offers nothing. There's too many corporate goons.

 

I keep saying JH is not the same JH as he used to be. Where’s the JH that dropped into the Felger, and Mass show doing a live interview. Now all he does is send his mouthpiece Sam Kennedy out there to do the talking, and his Dummy (Bloom) to let his homegrown stars do the walking.

[moonslav59]

I keep saying JH is not the same JH as he used to be. Where’s the JH that dropped into the Felger, and Mass show doing a live interview. Now all he does is send his mouthpiece Sam Kennedy out there to do the talking, and his Dummy (Bloom) to let his homegrown stars do the walking.

 

I'd hide, too.

 

There is probably a bounty on his head.

[cp176]

To me, what got old was the three decades of total frustration before 2004.

 

No offense to you, I like your posts, but the act I'm seeing reeks of spoiled fans who think we are entitled to a ring every 4-6 years.

 

The team has reset it's priorities. They have watched a team like the Astros win without having to pay huge contracts by having a strong and deep farm. Yes, they lock up some key homegrown talent earlier and pretty often, but they've let the same amount of super studs go- actually, their 4 best players: Correa, Springer, Cole and Verlander. Maybe Altuve can be called top 4... maybe.

 

Here are their biggest contracts, right now:

 

$163M/7 Altuve ('18-'24) Current BTV Value +$4.6M

$100M/5 Bregman ('20-'24) -$2.8M

$85M/5 McCullers ('22-'26) -$28.8M

$59M/3 Abreu ('23-'24) -$6.2M

 

It doesn't have to be about spending bigly on 3-5 players to win, and IMO, maybe not doing that increases the chances of winning.

 

We just need to get the farm & foundation in place, first. It doesn't help doing it backwards.

 

 

Watching those competitive teams during the 70's and 80's gave me a lot of joy. They competed. Personally it isn't all about winning the title.

[Bellhorn04]

"We need to keep making the right decisions. That’s the bottom line. I would put our organization and our track record against anybody else’s in baseball, period."

 

LOL. I wish they could dump Sam Kennedy. This guy offers nothing. There's too many corporate goons.

 

Empty mouthpiece.

 

I think I'm starting to miss Lucchino, at least he was sort of a real person...