Red Sox Sign Masataka Yoshida

[mvp 78]

Then magic 8-ball it was!

 

Ouija is fun for the whole family. Out now this Halloween from Parker Brothers!

[redsoxrules]

If the Angel's eat some of that money they should trade for him. He's guaranteed to produce in the lineup. Heck, even with missing the games he did last year he produce the same WAR as Devers. The dude is a beast.

[mvp 78]

If the Angel's eat some of that money they should trade for him. He's guaranteed to produce in the lineup. Heck, even with missing the games he did last year he produce the same WAR as Devers. The dude is a beast.

 

My eye test showed me that he wasn't there for half the year! Waste of a contract. Bum!

[Bellhorn04]

If the Angel's eat some of that money they should trade for him. He's guaranteed to produce in the lineup. Heck, even with missing the games he did last year he produce the same WAR as Devers. The dude is a beast.

 

Depends on how much the Angels would be willing to digest, of course.

[Hugh2]

Depends on how much the Angels would be willing to digest, of course.

 

Is a team like LAA really in a position to eat a large chunk of that contract to have him play elsewhere? Even they were willing to do that, I don't think they can do it without getting a premium prospect in return. They're going to want Mayer, or Anthony plus.

 

The thing about Trout is, maybe he's hit a wall. Maybe he's fine and healthy and considered the best player to ever play the game in 10 years or maybe he's just that really really really good player that just falls off a cliff after his 20's.

 

If the Angels were willing to eat half the money and the prospects were reasonable, I think you HAVE to consider trading for Trout. I just don't see the Angels getting the return they want for him. They might be better off with him, if he has a good year next year his market value will rise substantially.

[moonslav59]

Is a team like LAA really in a position to eat a large chunk of that contract to have him play elsewhere? Even they were willing to do that, I don't think they can do it without getting a premium prospect in return. They're going to want Mayer, or Anthony plus.

 

The thing about Trout is, maybe he's hit a wall. Maybe he's fine and healthy and considered the best player to ever play the game in 10 years or maybe he's just that really really really good player that just falls off a cliff after his 20's.

 

If the Angels were willing to eat half the money and the prospects were reasonable, I think you HAVE to consider trading for Trout. I just don't see the Angels getting the return they want for him. They might be better off with him, if he has a good year next year his market value will rise substantially.

 

According to BTV, Trout is owed about $250M/7 and has a net value of -87. That does show they feel his value before applying the contract cost is about $160M/7. With all the injuries, and the fact that he is getting older, I'd pass.

 

For argument's sake, let's say the Angels pay about half: $125M/7. His BTV would be about $35M. In terms of Sox values, Mayer (59) would be an overpay, unless LAA paid an additional $25M. Houck at $30M is about the closest. Bleis + Wink does it, too.

 

We don't need another OF'er.

[mvp 78]

Is a team like LAA really in a position to eat a large chunk of that contract to have him play elsewhere? Even they were willing to do that, I don't think they can do it without getting a premium prospect in return. They're going to want Mayer, or Anthony plus.

 

The thing about Trout is, maybe he's hit a wall. Maybe he's fine and healthy and considered the best player to ever play the game in 10 years or maybe he's just that really really really good player that just falls off a cliff after his 20's.

 

If the Angels were willing to eat half the money and the prospects were reasonable, I think you HAVE to consider trading for Trout. I just don't see the Angels getting the return they want for him. They might be better off with him, if he has a good year next year his market value will rise substantially.

 

The problem with Trout is you're getting the end of the second contract Trout. You're getting the declining Trout. Any upside is pretty much gone. If they are trading Mayer for him, the Angels would have to eat $150M. His contract then becomes 8/134 (16.75 AAV). He's good enough now to earn 2 fWAR in a part time role, but that is less likely as he gets older.

[Dipre]

Father time is undefeated, and he's hitting Trout pretty hard pretty early.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The problem with Trout is you're getting the end of the second contract Trout. You're getting the declining Trout. Any upside is pretty much gone.

 

True, true, and maybe not...

 

First, he'd have to pass medicals before a new regime would opt to trade any top prospects for him (one thing we have to assume is that a new culture in the front office has to give up shoveling waiting-for-damaged-goods to the fanbase).

 

Next is the upside: if he's deemed healthy, and has three or four typical Trout years in Fenway, batting behind Devers and a table setter like Duran, it could revive the franchise. It will make it a lot more fun, and PR couldn't get anyone better than the best player of his generation to bring the brand back to relevance.

 

(that is, unless Ohtani can ever pitch again like he did pre-surgery...)

 

And Casas with his ever-improving OPS batting after Trout should give Mike more protection than the unwell-traveled Renfroe or (gag) Rendon -- 3.1 WAR total in four seasons for the Angels.

[moonslav59]

If he would agree to DH, he'd likely play more games and have more good years, but they can't even get him to move to LF.

[notin]

Father time is undefeated, and he's hitting Trout pretty hard pretty early.

 

Father Time is not undefeated. He was soundly trounced by Jamie Moyer…

[Dipre]

Father Time is not undefeated. He was soundly trounced by Jamie Moyer…

 

No, he got him. It just took him way longer.

[moonslav59]

No, he got him. It just took him way longer.

 

Rich Hill is still winning... or is he?

[Bellhorn04]

Rich Hill is still winning... or is he?

 

Well, he's still fattening his wallet.

[mvp 78]

Rich Hill is still winning... or is he?

 

Hasn't had a 2 fWAR season since 2017.

[Hugh2]

The problem with Trout is you're getting the end of the second contract Trout. You're getting the declining Trout. Any upside is pretty much gone. If they are trading Mayer for him, the Angels would have to eat $150M. His contract then becomes 8/134 (16.75 AAV). He's good enough now to earn 2 fWAR in a part time role, but that is less likely as he gets older.

 

Yeah, that's why I'm not trading for Mike Trout, unless say by some miracle the Angels really like Nick Yorke, that I'd be ok with. I'd be on board with a subsidized Mike Trout for Nick Yorke, but LA likely would not be. If LA trades him, the franchise might best be served taking whatever salary relief they can get. They're not very good from farm to big league club.

[notin]

Yeah, that's why I'm not trading for Mike Trout, unless say by some miracle the Angels really like Nick Yorke, that I'd be ok with. I'd be on board with a subsidized Mike Trout for Nick Yorke, but LA likely would not be. If LA trades him, the franchise might best be served taking whatever salary relief they can get. They're not very good from farm to big league club.

 

I’d think the only reason the Angels move Trout is to clear salary to re-sign Ohtani. Injuries or not, Trout is a big name player who sells tickets.

 

I’d have to think the Angels top priority would be unloading what’s left of Anthony Rendon plus as much as possible of what’s left of his contract…

[mvp 78]

I’d think the only reason the Angels move Trout is to clear salary to re-sign Ohtani. Injuries or not, Trout is a big name player who sells tickets.

 

I’d have to think the Angels top priority would be unloading what’s left of Anthony Rendon plus as much as possible of what’s left of his contract…

 

Who would want any part of Rendon? They'd have to eat 80% of that contract and wouldn't get anything in return.

[notin]

Who would want any part of Rendon? They'd have to eat 80% of that contract and wouldn't get anything in return.

 

Sort of like David Price…

[mvp 78]

Sort of like David Price…

 

Price had a better track record than Rendon and a smaller contract.

[Duran Is The Man]

I’d think the only reason the Angels move Trout is to clear salary to re-sign Ohtani. Injuries or not, Trout is a big name player who sells tickets.

 

I’d have to think the Angels top priority would be unloading what’s left of Anthony Rendon plus as much as possible of what’s left of his contract…

 

Rendon's contract almost makes Sale's look like a bargain.

[vegasbob]

Please save yourself the brain cells thinking about Mike Trout going anywhere. I live in the vicinity and see all the press. Understand that Ohtani is gone elsewhere , seeking a shot at the WS. LAA has NO other draw and Trout is the face of the franchise, owned by a fool who could have sold it for $3 Billion last year.

 

The fan base is only a step above Tampa's and without a star they have nothing. Josh Hamilton to Anthony Rendon is the arc of this front office under multiple administrations . Managers Scoscia, Maddon and now Nevin could not avoid the total destruction of this team each August/September . This team is jinxed.

[Bellhorn04]

Please save yourself the brain cells thinking about Mike Trout going anywhere. I live in the vicinity and see all the press. Understand that Ohtani is gone elsewhere , seeking a shot at the WS. LAA has NO other draw and Trout is the face of the franchise, owned by a fool who could have sold it for $3 Billion last year.

 

The fan base is only a step above Tampa's and without a star they have nothing. Josh Hamilton to Anthony Rendon is the arc of this front office under multiple administrations . Managers Scoscia, Maddon and now Nevin could not avoid the total destruction of this team each August/September . This team is jinxed.

 

Well, they got the one ring in 2002.

[notin]

Well, they got the one ring in 2002.

 

The David Eckstein Era…

[mvp 78]

Please save yourself the brain cells thinking about Mike Trout going anywhere. I live in the vicinity and see all the press. Understand that Ohtani is gone elsewhere , seeking a shot at the WS. LAA has NO other draw and Trout is the face of the franchise, owned by a fool who could have sold it for $3 Billion last year.

The fan base is only a step above Tampa's and without a star they have nothing. Josh Hamilton to Anthony Rendon is the arc of this front office under multiple administrations . Managers Scoscia, Maddon and now Nevin could not avoid the total destruction of this team each August/September . This team is jinxed.

 

Wrong. Angels get over 30k fans per game year in and year out since 2003. Their numbers are closer to the Red Sox than to the Rays.

[mvp 78]

The Rally Monkey Era…

 

No, actually...

[notin]

Wrong. Angels get over 30k fans per game year in and year out since 2003. Their numbers are closer to the Red Sox than to the Rays.

 

He was referring to first 2 innings only…

[notin]

No, actually...

 

But the Sox never DFAd the rally monkey…

[mvp 78]

He was referring to first 2 innings only…

 

That's a Dodgers Stadium problem, not really an Angels Stadium problem from what I remember. Dodgers fans also start filing out at the 7th inning stretch to beat traffic.

[mvp 78]

But the Sox never DFAd the rally monkey…

 

Chaim would never...