Rules rules rules

[Bellhorn04]

Tennis is a relatively simple game to officiate.

[jad]

Tennis is a relatively simple game to officiate.

 

How is it simpler than baseball? (You have difficult line calls on nearly every point; time rules; distracting of opponent rules; Hawkeye solved the major issues almost overnight). Other than balls and strikes (which can be easily fixed by technology), the vast majority of baseball calls are obvious.

[Bellhorn04]

How is it simpler than baseball? (You have difficult line calls on nearly every point; time rules; distracting of opponent rules; Hawkeye solved the major issues almost overnight). Other than balls and strikes (which can be easily fixed by technology), the vast majority of baseball calls are obvious.

 

I think a lot of safe/out calls in baseball are very difficult.

 

I'm sure you're right that tennis isn't that easy either, though.

[notin]

Tennis uses cameras. MLB, NFL and NBA us cameras.

 

Just get the calls right.

 

Let pitchers and catchers know the strike zone will be the same, no matter who the ump is.

 

 

And then there’s the Olympics, who’ve taken software and automated officiating to whole different levels…

[redsoxrules]

I'm sure if there's robo umps the hitters will still complain about the strike zone. Maybe not as much but you'll still see some blow ups.

[notin]

And they want them because they believe that little rectangle we see on our tv screens is real even though it is literally invisible to the hitters, pitchers, and umpires. That's right, we now insist on pitch-calling accuracy which nobody on the field can actually see. Why? Because we can see it on our TV screens and therefore it is more real than the umpires, who are on the verge of obsolescence.

 

First of all, tryi g to decide whether a 95mph baseball touched any part of an invisible box that varies in size from hitter to hitter is an insanely difficult task. Have you ever seen a 95mph fastball and how fast it looks when it’s coming at you? Me neither. I could barely see anything over 85mph. I could see needing help here.

 

As for that little box, most fans who complain about umps thought they could call balls and strikes from their Lazy Boys long before that TV square existed anyway. And the amazing part was that they could do it without compensating for that offset angle created by the position of the CF camera.

 

In fact now I bet those same fans are even angrier because they think the umpire can see that little box, too, and is deliberately ignoring to hurt their team…

[notin]

I'm sure if there's robo umps the hitters will still complain about the strike zone. Maybe not as much but you'll still see some blow ups.

 

And the players will only ba able to argue with them in JavaScript…

[jad]

I think a lot of safe/out calls in baseball are very difficult.

 

I'm sure you're right that tennis isn't that easy either, though.

 

You're right about that. I seem to remember there was an app or u-tube or whatever showing real time tennis shots by professionals near lines. It was impossible! Probably a similar one for balls/strikes.

[notin]

Shift is garbage. I've said many times. The game was created to have 9 position on the field with an assign position. We may as well just call them ball players with no specific position. People say , well learn how to his the other way. It's not that easy with the pitching arms in the game today and the stuff they throw to go oppo. I for one approve to ban the Shift. The game is basically controlled by computers now. It's f***ing awful. Players have cards. Oh leadoff batter is on. I got to stand 5 foot to the right and then 4 foot backwards. Like wtf. Players are following orders and nothing is on the human element now. The game is turning to s*** really. We will see a lot more 300 hitters with the shift being banned which will be good for the game.

 

Why?

 

All other sports do it.

 

Do you also think the NFL should ban nickel back package, 3 WR sets, tackle eligible plays, and 2 TE formations? And make every team standardize only on the 3-4 defensive line?

 

MLB rules state you get 9 defenders. I have no problem with someone strategizing the best place to play them and even less when some clever hitter (or runner) takes advantage

[Old Red]

Why?

 

All other sports do it.

 

Do you also think the NFL should ban nickel back package, 3 WR sets, tackle eligible plays, and 2 TE formations? And make every team standardize only on the 3-4 defensive line?

 

MLB rules state you get 9 defenders. I have no problem with someone strategizing the best place to play them and even less when some clever hitter (or runner) takes advantage

 

You said in past discussions that guarding the 3rd, and 1st base lines by the 3B, and 1B was the same as the shift. Not even close to the same thing, and way off base. The shift is done after this year, so complain all you want. You know the chant! IT’S ALL OVER. MLB I believe got this one right.

[Bellhorn04]

Why?

 

All other sports do it.

 

Do you also think the NFL should ban nickel back package, 3 WR sets, tackle eligible plays, and 2 TE formations? And make every team standardize only on the 3-4 defensive line?

 

MLB rules state you get 9 defenders. I have no problem with someone strategizing the best place to play them and even less when some clever hitter (or runner) takes advantage

 

There are plenty of rules that limit what NFL players can do.

 

I believe "illegal formation" is a thing...

[Old Red]

There are plenty of rules that limit what NFL players can do.

 

I believe "illegal formation" is a thing...

 

In the NBA you just can’t stand in the lane on Defense either.

[Bellhorn04]

In the NBA you just can’t stand in the lane on Defense either.

 

Yep. And in hockey, a pass across two lines used to be illegal. Then they legalized it because they thought it would increase goal-scoring.

[Maxbialystock]

Tennis uses cameras. MLB, NFL and NBA us cameras.

 

Just get the calls right.

 

Let pitchers and catchers know the strike zone will be the same, no matter who the ump is.

 

What a crock. Seriously. In every other sport the referee or umpire or whoever makes the freaking call, not the freaking cameras. Only after the call is a coach or whoever allowed to challenge the call.

 

Plus, and I can't emphasize this too strongly, the players and pitchers cannot see or even take advantage of the microscopic differences between balls and strikes that cameras/computer see and put on our screens.

[notin]

There are plenty of rules that limit what NFL players can do.

 

I believe "illegal formation" is a thing...

 

There are almost no rules for defense. Basically stay on your side of the ball…

[notin]

What a crock. Seriously. In every other sport the referee or umpire or whoever makes the freaking call, not the freaking cameras. Only after the call is a coach or whoever allowed to challenge the call.

 

Plus, and I can't emphasize this too strongly, the players and pitchers cannot see or even take advantage of the microscopic differences between balls and strikes that cameras/computer see and put on our screens.

 

Again - no. The Olympics just use the automated officiating in numerous events…

[Old Red]

There are almost no rules for defense. Basically stay on your side of the ball…

 

Need I repeat the shift is over after this year, and I’m sure the reason was all the negative feedback MLB heard back in making the decision. Move along little doggie.

[notin]

You said in past discussions that guarding the 3rd, and 1st base lines by the 3B, and 1B was the same as the shift. Not even close to the same thing, and way off base. The shift is done after this year, so complain all you want. You know the chant! IT’S ALL OVER. MLB I believe got this one right.

 

Guarding the lines is a defensive strategy. While it’s probably not close enough for some to draw the parallel, it is a defensive re-positioning based on game situations.

 

I don’t like changes that limit unpopular strategies. I don’t care if people like the shift. It’s not a good precedent. And how do you enforce it? Can shortstops still cheat up the middle? How far into right-center can the CF go and still be within the rules.

 

You can sit here and cheer all you want; it’s not going away. Teams are still going to move those fielders over as far as they’re legally allowed to…

[Maxbialystock]

And then there’s the Olympics, who’ve taken software and automated officiating to whole different levels…

 

You must be talking about timing races.

 

But you are not talking about officiating soccer/football, basketball, hockey, water polo, field hockey, etc. All those are competitive team events analogous to MLB baseball. And might I add that the single most popular sport in the whole world is what we call soccer and everyone else calls football. It has always had one freaking referee to make the calls on a huge field with 11 players on each side. Plus of course the linesmen who help with offsides and out of bounds calls.

 

You are mixing apples and oranges.

[Old Red]

Guarding the lines is a defensive strategy. While it’s probably not close enough for some to draw the parallel, it is a defensive re-positioning based on game situations.

 

I don’t like changes that limit unpopular strategies. I don’t care if people like the shift. It’s not a good precedent. And how do you enforce it? Can shortstops still cheat up the middle? How far into right-center can the CF go and still be within the rules.

 

You can sit here and cheer all you want; it’s not going away. Teams are still going to move those fielders over as far as they’re legally allowed to…

Guarding the lines you are still in your area of position, and once again not even close to a shift. Unpopular strategy is right, and the only enforcement that has to be done is two IF on the left side of the IF, and two infielders on the right side of the infield, and their spikes have to be in the IF dirt. Very simple, and as far as I can tell the 3B, and SS could be standing side by side holding hands. The OF has nothing to do with any of this, so playing shallow, or deep, nor does shading either way.Very simple. I’ll keep cheering, and you can keep complaining.

[Bellhorn04]

There are almost no rules for defense. Basically stay on your side of the ball…

 

How many kinds of defensive penalties have you seen called in NFL games?

[moonslav59]

What a crock. Seriously. In every other sport the referee or umpire or whoever makes the freaking call, not the freaking cameras. Only after the call is a coach or whoever allowed to challenge the call.

 

Plus, and I can't emphasize this too strongly, the players and pitchers cannot see or even take advantage of the microscopic differences between balls and strikes that cameras/computer see and put on our screens.

 

It's not microscopic. Umps miss calls by inches. Umps have different strike zones that teams and players have to study and prepare for. It's a joke.

 

Asking a human to call balls and strikes, especially when his vision is blocked by the catcher for parts of the K-zone is a total joke.

 

I just don't get the resistance to getting 100% consistently right calls. Pitchers, batters, coaches and the fans all benefit. You don't even have to notice, if done right.

[notin]

How many kinds of defensive penalties have you seen called in NFL games?

 

We are talking about alignments and formations.

 

And if we stick to that topic - none. When was the last time you saw an NFL defense called for an illegal formation? Or any penalty other than offsides (you know, that wrong side of the ball thing I mentioned earlier)?

[notin]

You must be talking about timing races.

 

But you are not talking about officiating soccer/football, basketball, hockey, water polo, field hockey, etc. All those are competitive team events analogous to MLB baseball. And might I add that the single most popular sport in the whole world is what we call soccer and everyone else calls football. It has always had one freaking referee to make the calls on a huge field with 11 players on each side. Plus of course the linesmen who help with offsides and out of bounds calls.

 

You are mixing apples and oranges.

 

While used there, the Olympic officiating has gone much further.

 

They’re using AI to see if the butterfly strike is performed properly. They’re trying it out in the “judgement sports” to see if certain stunts are performed properly.

 

They use it in curling. They really do. Not sure how or why but they do. Also I want to say goals in Ilympuc hockey are called using AI.

 

Oh and there’s the aforementioned tennis.

 

Some day I imagine it will be used in boxing to end bouts before it’s too late…

[notin]

You must be talking about timing races.

 

But you are not talking about officiating soccer/football, basketball, hockey, water polo, field hockey, etc. All those are competitive team events analogous to MLB baseball. And might I add that the single most popular sport in the whole world is what we call soccer and everyone else calls football. It has always had one freaking referee to make the calls on a huge field with 11 players on each side. Plus of course the linesmen who help with offsides and out of bounds calls.

 

You are mixing apples and oranges.

 

 

Also soccer/football has 4 officials, not three. And that’s not counting the two video officials who work every game…

[Old Red]

We are talking about alignments and formations.

 

And if we stick to that topic - none. When was the last time you saw an NFL defense called for an illegal formation? Or any penalty other than offsides (you know, that wrong side of the ball thing I mentioned earlier)?

The shift is over. Like it, or in your case not. Stop grasping at straws like guarding the foul lines, or if the outfielders are playing shallow, or deep, or shading one way, or the other in the OF, which none of it has anything to do with an IF shift.

[Bellhorn04]

We are talking about alignments and formations.

 

And if we stick to that topic - none. When was the last time you saw an NFL defense called for an illegal formation? Or any penalty other than offsides (you know, that wrong side of the ball thing I mentioned earlier)?

 

You have a point there. But football offenses have a lot of rules about alignments. The differentiation between offense and defense is kind of an arbitrary one.

[Tedballgame]

I like all of the new rules. I hate the shift. Infielders playing 30 feet into right field and throwing guys out is not good for baseball. Fans want to see offense. Pitchers have always taken too long to throw the ball. Baseball has become hard to watch. The new rules will make it a better game. The players need to stop crying.

[Old Red]

I like all of the new rules. I hate the shift. Infielders playing 30 feet into right field and throwing guys out is not good for baseball. Fans want to see offense. Pitchers have always taken too long to throw the ball. Baseball has become hard to watch. The new rules will make it a better game. The players need to stop crying.

 

Well said.

[dgalehouse]

Do away with the cheat notes too. No more looking in your cap to see where you should play. Do some preparation.