Vazquez traded to Houston

[notin]

LOL you can talk down Vazquez all you want. He is still leagues better than Reese "Public Wanker" McGuire. And the reason the Red Sox are heading rapidly in the wrong direction is largely in part to multiple FAIL moves likes this by the 'genius' Chaim Bloom.

 

It’s not talking him down. He’s not a core player. You don’t build a team around Christian Vazquez. You build a team around core players with Christian Vazquez.

 

McGuire is a career backup type. Good defensive catcher with limited to sporadic offense. He was once considered a good prospect, but he’s likely headed to a career as a journeyman backup that will play on 8-10 different teams over his career…

[S5Dewey]

Vaz is NOT an impact player.

 

You need to tell that to Bloom. “Christian is playing at a really high level right now, and moving him is going to impact this club. We’re aware of that."

[moonslav59]

It’s not talking him down. He’s not a core player. You don’t build a team around Christian Vazquez. You build a team around core players with Christian Vazquez.

 

McGuire is a career backup type. Good defensive catcher with limited to sporadic offense. He was once considered a good prospect, but he’s likely headed to a career as a journeyman backup that will play on 8-10 different teams over his career…

 

Let's remember that several of the games best catchers took a while to become established.

 

I could be totally wrong, but I don't think Vaz was part of the 2023 and beyond plans. (Watch us re-sign him, now, LOL)

 

McGuire gives us one more guy to throw in the 2023 mix, along with Wong and RHern. Maybe the best one ends up our back-up, but McGuire does have 2 more years of control.

 

Rememb er, this is the team that kept Sandy Leon around for 3 years as he hit .571. He played half the games in those 3 years- 239 games, at that!

 

[moonslav59]

You need to tell that to Bloom. “Christian is playing at a really high level right now, and moving him is going to impact this club. We’re aware of that."

 

Listening to the sports talk show hosts here in Houston, they seem to be expecting Vaz will be able to "help should Maldo's load."

[moonslav59]

Listening to the sports talk show hosts here in Houston, they seem to be expecting Vaz will be able to "help should Maldo's load."

 

*shoulder

 

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[sk7326]

Listening to the sports talk show hosts here in Houston, they seem to be expecting Vaz will be able to "help should Maldo's load."

 

The Astros has gotten basically nothing from C and 1B, and Vazquez will be a big help there. Maldonado has more power for sure ... but Vazquez has gotten pretty solid results from simply having a good approach and making a lot of contact.

[Bellhorn04]

Hey moon, maybe they traded Vaz so they could have a two month experiment in CERA?

[mvp 78]

For all the IMPACT that Vaz gave the Sox, the Sox only were 17th in fWAR at Catcher.

 

On an individual basis, there are 18 catchers with higher fWAR than Vaz this season like the immortal Seby Zavala and Nick Fortes.

[moonslav59]

Hey moon, maybe they traded Vaz so they could have a two month experiment in CERA?

 

I wasn't going to bring it up, bgut many said, if CERA means so much, why hasn't Bloom traded Vaz for a CERA guy. Well, ...

[mvp 78]

Hey moon, maybe they traded Vaz so they could have a two month experiment in CERA?

 

100%

[S5Dewey]

For all the IMPACT that Vaz gave the Sox, the Sox only were 17th in fWAR at Catcher.

 

On an individual basis, there are 18 catchers with higher fWAR than Vaz this season like the immortal Seby Zavala and Nick Fortes.

 

Don't tell us - tell Bloom. After all, Bloom is the one in the know who said that moving Vaz is going to impact the club.

Edited August 4, 2022 by S5Dewey

[Bellhorn04]

Don't tell us - tell Bloom. After all, Bloom is the one in the know who said that moving Vaz is going to impact the club.

 

Maybe he was trying to be respectful to Vaz? Being a GM can be kind of a political thing sometimes.

[mvp 78]

Don't tell us - tell Bloom. After all, Bloom is the one in the know who said that moving Vaz is going to impact the club.

 

I think you really stretched the definition of what an "impact player" was.

[notin]

So at what point will anyone remember everyone hated Bloom’s deadline acquisitions last year too?

[moonslav59]

So at what point will anyone remember everyone hated Bloom’s deadline acquisitions last year too?

 

Never, for some.

[Maxbialystock]

You need to tell that to Bloom. “Christian is playing at a really high level right now, and moving him is going to impact this club. We’re aware of that."

 

The Sox had a better won-lost record when Vaz didn't play than when he did.

 

In addition--and here is a world's record small sample--the Sox are 2-1 since he went to the Astros. Indeed, it was the Astros the Sox beat 2 games to 1.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Maxbialystock

[dgalehouse]

The Sox had a better won-lost record when Vaz didn't play than when he did.

 

In addition--and here is a world's record small sample--the Sox are 2-1 since he went to the Astros. Indeed, it was the Astros the Sox beat 2 games to 1.

 

Vaz thrown under the bus again .

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

VAZ, a player who loved playing for the SOX, is no longer with the team. Any reason posters here need to still s*** on him? I know, you don't need a reason.

That's alright; I like to s*** on Cora, even though he's a god to most on this forum.

Edited August 4, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[S5Dewey]

I think you really stretched the definition of what an "impact player" was.

That puts Bloom and I in the same boat. And you floundering in the water desperately searching for anything to save face.

[Bellhorn04]

That puts Bloom and I in the same boat. And you floundering in the water desperately searching for anything to save face.

 

As we often say here, what would you expect Bloom to say?

[Elktonnick]

VAZ, a player who loved playing for the SOX, is no longer with the team. Any reason posters here need to still s*** on him? I know, you don't need a reason.

That's alright; I like to s*** on Cora, even though he's a god to most on this forum.

Vaz wss very popular in the clubhouse. Listening to Boston sports radio, this trade has not been well received. Sports radio cites reports out of the clubhouse that suggest the players morale is worse now than before the deal. There is concern that Devers .may not wish to stay in Boston regardless of how much money the Sox offer.

Now many posters here will poo poo this But the sentiment in Boston is that the players do not have confidence in Bloom.

 

One hopes that beating up on a horrible KC team will lift everyone in the clubhouse's mood.

[moonslav59]

VAZ, a player who loved playing for the SOX, is no longer with the team. Any reason posters here need to still s*** on him? I know, you don't need a reason.

That's alright; I like to s*** on Cora, even though he's a god to most on this forum.

 

Some of us were critical of certain aspects of Vaz's game long before the trade. I'm not sure anyone thought he was a negative net value player over his time with the Sox.

 

The guy had 2 months left, and it seems probable, Sox brass did not view him as someone they wanted in 2023 and beyond- like it or not. Considering where we stood in the standings, it made some business sense to trade him.

 

I get the clubhouse stuff, and I don't mean this as piling on Vaz and Bogey, but I keep hearing some posters bash Cora for not addressing the team's lack of focus, but at the same time continue praising our clubhouse leaders while we are in last place.

 

Yes, the buck stops at the top, but I feel like there is some selective bashing and praising going on. (Not like I don't do it, too.)

 

[Bellhorn04]

I get the clubhouse stuff, and I don't mean this as piling on Vaz and Bogey, but I keep hearing some posters bash Cora for not addressing the team's lack of focus, but at the same time continue praising our clubhouse leaders while we are in last place.

 

Good point.

[moonslav59]

Good point.

 

If our team culture was going in the toilet, maybe making changes was needed. Shouldn't "great" team leaders have been able to help right the ship and get other players to stop making bone-head plays? I'm not deflecting from Cora. It's on him, too.

 

I don't mean to just single out Bogey and Vaz. Where was JD, Nate and other vets?

 

Maybe just as a wake-up call.

 

Maybe to avoid making a managerial change, they settles on Vaz.

 

Who knows.

 

To be clear, I'm not saying these players deserve to be bashed like Cora and Bloom have been, but why so much praise for being "team leaders" and "great in the clubhouse," while also saying (in so many words) the team is rotten to the core?

 

Edited August 4, 2022 by moonslav59

[Elktonnick]

If our team culture was going in the toilet, maybe making changes was needed. Shouldn't "great" team leaders have been able to help right the ship and get other players to stop making bone-head plays? I'm not deflecting from Cora. It's on him, too.

 

I don't mean to just single out Bogey and Vaz. Where was JD, Nate and other vets?

 

Maybe just as a wake-up call.

 

Maybe to avoid making a managerial change, they settles on Vaz.

 

Who knows.

 

Pedro Martinez just said on WEEI that he does not get what Chain is doing after the Vazquez trade. He said he (Bloom) has a headache with Bogaerts he is got a headache with Devers indicating both are not happy at the clubs direction.

In response to Pedro, Lou Merloni said he has spoken to Bloom but Bloom has not been able to clearly articulate his long term stratergy. It is not clear to Merloni if Bloom is planning to be a contender in 23,24 or 25. Everyone is confused by the inconsistent signals coming out Bloom.

[a700hitter]

Pedro Martinez just said on WEEI that he does not get what Chain is doing after the Vazquez trade. He said he (Bloom) has a headache with Bogaerts he is got a headache with Devers indicating both are not happy at the clubs direction.

In response to Pedro, Lou Merloni said he has spoken to Bloom but Bloom has not been able to clearly articulate his long term stratergy. It is not clear to Merloni if Bloom is planning to be a contender in 23,24 or 25. Everyone is confused by the inconsistent signals coming out Bloom.

His actions don’t indicate any focused or well-developed strategy or philosophy. His actions are confusing.

[dgalehouse]

I think Cora relates to the players and will do his best to keep things under control. I think the players do like playing for Cora , but are disgruntled with the front office. And there is nothing better than a series with the Royals to improve spirits all around . But the Sox had better be careful not to alienate guys like Bogaerts and Devers..

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think Cora relates to the players and will do his best to keep things under control. I think the players do like playing for Cora , but are disgruntled with the front office. And there is nothing better than a series with the Royals to improve spirits all around . But the Sox had better be careful not to alienate guys like Bogaerts and Devers..

 

The front office is so calculated that they literally refer to their methods are calculus. Is it possible that intentionally alienating players can be a strategy in souring a pending free agent's preference to return, thus making it easier to avoid paying a large and long contract to someone you'd rather not... despite public pressure?

[Elktonnick]

I think Cora relates to the players and will do his best to keep things under control. I think the players do like playing for Cora , but are disgruntled with the front office. And there is nothing better than a series with the Royals to improve spirits all around . But the Sox had better be careful not to alienate guys like Bogaerts and Devers..

 

I think.that is exactly what Pedro is saying. Bloom has to repair his relations with both if he sincerely wants them to remain. Merloni says it is not clear if Bloom (Henry) is willing to pay Bogaerts or Devers to remain long term.

[moonslav59]

His actions don’t indicate any focused or well-developed strategy or philosophy. His actions are confusing.

 

Maybe it reflects conflicting priorities Henry has given Bloom.

 

(Just a possibility.)