A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[JDavis76]

Nick Pivetta will turn 30 before next season. He has a career ERA of 5. Yeah , he should bring back a nice return in any trade.

 

But he turned the corner and now is great, just ask moon.....

[moonslav59]

Nick Pivetta will turn 30 before next season. He has a career ERA of 5. Yeah , he should bring back a nice return in any trade.

 

I would hope and think most GMs look beyond career numbers. Pivetta has a 4.30 ERA since joining the Sox, and while a 103 ERA+ is just barely above average, he gives his team innings.

 

His 4.12 FIP supports the data that he has become a decent 3/4 starter. Many teams have worse #2's.

[Bellhorn04]

I would hope and think most GMs look beyond career numbers. Pivetta has a 4.30 ERA since joining the Sox, and while a 103 ERA+ is just barely above average, he gives his team innings.

 

His 4.12 FIP supports the data that he has become a decent 3/4 starter. Many teams have worse #2's.

 

Pivetta is a solid #3/4 starter. Too bad our other guys couldn't take the ball the way he does.

[Hugh2]

Nick Pivetta will turn 30 before next season. He has a career ERA of 5. Yeah , he should bring back a nice return in any trade.

 

You realize the trade is all about the prospects right? sometimes teams just take an arm in return, which maybe Florida doesn't even want. Mayer is one of the top prospects in baseball along with 2-3 other top prospects.

[notin]

Nick Pivetta will turn 30 before next season. He has a career ERA of 5. Yeah , he should bring back a nice return in any trade.

 

The key piece in that trade was Mayer. By a lot…

[Hugh2]

Think of it in reverse, lets say we were even 15 games worse at the deadline, sub .400 and just absolutely HORRIBLE. And we trade Bogaerts for a worse SS but get the other teams top prospects in return, it's all about the prospects. Now, that's a little silly because a team ain't paying for that for a rental but Alcantara is signed to a very friendly deal for 5 years starting in 2023 which would command such a high package.

[harmony]

For LF, Ian Happ?

 

BTV accepted Duran and Wicky Gonzalez. (BTV posted it as a featured trade. Still up as one.) Career .348 OBP. Only 1 year left. Cubs reportedly shopped him at the deadline.

 

Bring back Kike for CF and Verdugo to RF.

At the trade deadline, the Cubs, Phillies and Mariners reportedly discussed a three-way trade that would have sent Marco Gonzales to the Phillies, Ian Happ to the Mariners and prospects to the Cubs.

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Pivetta is a solid #3/4 starter. Too bad our other guys couldn't take the ball the way he does.

 

I can understand the Yankess troll dissing Pivetta, but I'm not sure why any Sox would. We gave up squat to get him. He costs peanuts. He eats innings. He's at 48% in QS, this year. The league average 36%, and on a team like ours, with pen issues, he's very valuable as a solid #2/3 type that would be nicer as a #4. It's hardly his fault, that he's been forced to be the #2 much of the year.

[dgalehouse]

You realize the trade is all about the prospects right? sometimes teams just take an arm in return, which maybe Florida doesn't even want. Mayer is one of the top prospects in baseball along with 2-3 other top prospects.[/quote Do you want to " decimate " the farm ?

[Hugh2]

You realize the trade is all about the prospects right? sometimes teams just take an arm in return, which maybe Florida doesn't even want. Mayer is one of the top prospects in baseball along with 2-3 other top prospects.[/quote Do you want to " decimate " the farm ?

 

The farm system exists to supplement the big league club. That can be by guys coming up or by trading them. Mayer is years away, and if you're locking up Bogaerts then with a Casas/Story/Bogaerts/Devers infield has no home. They also have a plethora of up the middle talent coming out of this last draft. Yorke is in the same boat, chances are at least 1/2 those guys don't pan out anyway. You're getting back a guy who is very young, going to win the CY Young, and is dirt cheap up through the 2027 season.

 

Do we want to rely on Chris Sale being our ACE??? Or would we like to wait for this system to produce the next Jon Lester?

[dgalehouse]

 

The farm system exists to supplement the big league club. That can be by guys coming up or by trading them. Mayer is years away, and if you're locking up Bogaerts then with a Casas/Story/Bogaerts/Devers infield has no home. They also have a plethora of up the middle talent coming out of this last draft. Yorke is in the same boat, chances are at least 1/2 those guys don't pan out anyway. You're getting back a guy who is very young, going to win the CY Young, and is dirt cheap up through the 2027 season.

 

Do we want to rely on Chris Sale being our ACE??? Or would we like to wait for this system to produce the next Jon Lester?

 

I am fully aware that prospects have two purposes. They can fill a need on the parent club or they can be traded to obtain someone who can. That has always been my feeling. We have fans on here who are opposed to trading prospects. I thought you were in that group. I guess I was mistaken.

[Hugh2]

 

I am fully aware that prospects have two purposes. They can fill a need on the parent club or they can be traded to obtain someone who can. That has always been my feeling. We have fans on here who are opposed to trading prospects. I thought you were in that group. I guess I was mistaken.

 

Nope, I think there’s a time and a place for everything. Some times you fold em, and sometimes you double down.

[moonslav59]

 

Nope, I think there’s a time and a place for everything. Some times you fold em, and sometimes you double down.

 

I don't think any posters are opposed to trading any or even a significant amount of prospects, if the return and timing seems right.

 

I think quite a few posters are opposed to near total emptying of the farm, and no, DD did not totally empty the farm.

[notin]

realize the trade is all about the prospects right? sometimes teams just take an arm in return, which maybe Florida doesn't even want. Mayer is one of the top prospects in baseball along with 2-3 other top prospects.[/quote Do you want to " decimate " the farm ?

 

Mayer is in A ball, still years away. What Dombrowski did differed because he emptied the upper levels of any MLB-ready talent (while thankfully earmarking Devers as a keeper).

Edited August 25, 2022 by notin

[Old Red]

 

Mayer is in A ball, still years away. What Dombrowski did differed because he emptied the upper levels of any MLB-ready talent (while thankfully earmarking Devers as a keeper).

But the big question is now will Devers be kept??

[moonslav59]

 

Mayer is in A ball, still years away. What Dombrowski did differed because he emptied the upper levels of any MLB-ready talent (while thankfully earmarking Devers as a keeper).

 

In his defense, he drafted very well for having low picks.

 

While he traded away about 20 prospects, who had at one time or another been a top 20 prospects on soxprospects.com, many of them have fizzled out or show very little promise of amounting to anything very significant. In hindsight, many deals look even better than at the time of the deals, and prospects or young players he added to the system include:

 

Houck, Crawford, Dalbec & Duran, plus prospects...

 

2. Casas

3. Bello

6. Mata

7. Walter

8. Rafaela

11. Murphy

13. Paulino

15. TWard

19. Wikelman

27. Bonaci

29. Jimenez

[dgalehouse]

But the big question is now will Devers be kept??

 

With the still bitter aftertaste of the Betts situation , I think they have no choice but to sign Devers to a large and long extension. There is no way out.

[Hugh2]

 

With the still bitter aftertaste of the Betts situation , I think they have no choice but to sign Devers to a large and long extension. There is no way out.

 

Depending on what the size of a contract is I don’t think any singular player in baseball is a must sign. But Devers is pretty damn close, and they need to make an honest effort to retain him.

[JDavis76]

But the big question is now will Devers be kept??

 

Or the bigger question may be will he want to stay?

Edited August 25, 2022 by JDavis76

[mvp 78]

People that can’t quote posts right should get a 24 hour ban.

[JDavis76]

People that can’t quote posts right should get a 24 hour ban.

 

It's a site issue.

 

People that talk out their ass should get a 24hr ban......

[mvp 78]

It's a site issue.

 

People that talk out their ass should get a 24hr ban......

 

Not a site issue. Someone screwed up a post. Everyone kept quoting the screwed up post and carrying forward the error.

[moonslav59]

 

Depending on what the size of a contract is I don’t think any singular player in baseball is a must sign. But Devers is pretty damn close, and they need to make an honest effort to retain him.

 

It might also matter, if we sign a big name "large & long," this winter. That may take some heat off the need to re-sign Devers.

[notin]

 

It might also matter, if we sign a big name "large & long," this winter. That may take some heat off the need to re-sign Devers.

 

Are there better FA options to go large and long on? To me, Devers outranks the field…

[notin]

 

With the still bitter aftertaste of the Betts situation , I think they have no choice but to sign Devers to a large and long extension. There is no way out.

 

They shouldn’t sign Devers because Mookie got away. That’s actually why they extended Bogaerts (good) and Sale (awful). That’s not how a GM should build a team.

 

They should extend Devers because he’s a young player capable of being a foundation you build a team around for the next several seasons…

[JDavis76]

They shouldn’t sign Devers because Mookie got away. That’s actually why they extended Bogaerts (good) and Sale (awful). That’s not how a GM should build a team.

 

They should extend Devers because he’s a young player capable of being a foundation you build a team around for the next several seasons…

 

Provided he has a desire to stay in beantowne......

[moonslav59]

Are there better FA options to go large and long on? To me, Devers outranks the field…

 

I didn't say better, but if Bloom signs a big one or a couple pretty big ones, it might help soften the blow.

 

I'm all for extending Devers- just like I was for Betts.

 

Devers Forevers will be my motto, until the decision is made.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I didn't say better, but if Bloom signs a big one or a couple pretty big ones, it might help soften the blow.

 

I'm all for extending Devers- just like I was for Betts.

 

Devers Forevers will be my motto, until the decision is made.

 

That's how I read your first post -- like signing Story for half of what Bogaerts will cost (someone).

[moonslav59]

That's how I read your first post -- like signing Story for half of what Bogaerts will cost (someone).

 

I don't think Bogey gets double what Story got, but I do think signing him was meant to soften the blow of losing Bogey.

 

It might not work with some or many Sox fans, but a lot will depend on how the Sox do going forward, and maybe to a lesser extent how Story does.

 

I don't think we sign Judge, but that would create a buzz that would soften the loss of Devers. (I'd rather we sign Devers than 2 Judges, at the same price.)

 

If we sign Nimmo, Swanson, and a few others that lead us to a ring, I doubt too many people will complain too much about losing Betts, Bogey and Devers, but of course there are always a few who will, no matter what.

[Larry Cook]

Looking at our 2023 rotation:

 

1.) sale - can he finally stay healthy.

2.) pivetta - when he is on, he is on. When he is off, he is really bad.

3.) Bello - when he gets through the growing pains, he could be really good!

4.) Crawford - can be effective, when his command and control are on. But his stuff leaves no margin for error.

5.) Winkowski, mata, Walter, or free agent.