A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[notin]

Incorrect, Yankee Global Enterprises, LLC (formerly YankeeNets, LLC), the current owners, have owned the team since 1999.

 

Not with the same people at the helm. George passed in 2010. Since then, 0 titles…

[notin]

Ownership is to blame but like I said the bigger problem is Orlando

 

Zero return on Betts AB Renfro

If AB trade was about money why would you deal renfro and acquire a bad contract in JBJ? Zero sense

 

Story ? Career .200 hitter after 8th inning and with RISP, u had Arroyo plus zero average vs 95 mph pitching

 

No Closer ? Jansen should have been target over Story

 

Paxson ? Cash tied up with an injured pitcher that money could have gone towards Jansen or elsewhere

 

Needed a 1B but I’ll give him a pass here since Casas was injured

 

By all reports Duran could have been traded for Berrios

 

Incompetence and terrible Roster management have gotten you here

 

Please find me one report that says that.

 

And then explain why Berrios and his current 5.22 ERA, which would easily be the worst among Sox SP, are supposed to be a difference maker…

[JDavis76]

Not with the same people at the helm. George passed in 2010. Since then, 0 titles…

 

But that is not what you stated, and many of the same upper management is in place to this day.

[moonslav59]

Please find me one report that says that.

 

And then explain why Berrios and his current 5.22 ERA, which would easily be the worst among Sox SP, are supposed to be a difference maker…

 

Disengage with trolls. They seek attention.

[Bellhorn04]

Please find me one report that says that.

 

And then explain why Berrios and his current 5.22 ERA, which would easily be the worst among Sox SP, are supposed to be a difference maker…

 

You'll get MADCRICKETS on that one too.

[moonslav59]

Please find me one report that says that.

 

And then explain why Berrios and his current 5.22 ERA, which would easily be the worst among Sox SP, are supposed to be a difference maker…

 

Plus, Story is a career .238 hitter from the 8th inning on, not .200 and he has 58 XBHs in 619 PAs after the 7th.

 

He’s also a career .252 batter (.818 OPS) with RISP.

 

Nothing worse than a troll spewing falsehoods mixed with inflaming rhetoric.

[dgalehouse]

As embarrassing and humiliating as last night's game was , it is still just one loss. There is no need to overreact. You don't change your plan because of any one game. To me , the bigger issue is all of the winnable games that slipped away in the late innings. Mostly due to the rag tag bullpen. And the blame for that is squarely on Sox management.

[oldtimer]

As embarrassing and humiliating as last night's game was , it is still just one loss. There is no need to overreact. You don't change your plan because of any one game. To me , the bigger issue is all of the winnable games that slipped away in the late innings. Mostly due to the rag tag bullpen. And the blame for that is squarely on Sox management.

 

Today we had decent pitching against one of the better hitting teams. The problem is deeper than just pitching. We only were able to put 4 ML quality hitters on the field tonight and that isn't enough to give the run support even Ace pitchers need. Both Devers and JDM were out with physical issues which left us a hole. I can understand that we want to protect the players as much as possible, but they might have played if we were in the thick of a pennant race. I believe the decision has been made to sell and the front office will probably use the second half to try to make more rebuilding moves and also bring up additional prospects to get a better look at which ones might be on the 40 man in 2023.

[moonslav59]

Today we had decent pitching against one of the better hitting teams. The problem is deeper than just pitching. We only were able to put 4 ML quality hitters on the field tonight and that isn't enough to give the run support even Ace pitchers need. Both Devers and JDM were out with physical issues which left us a hole. I can understand that we want to protect the players as much as possible, but they might have played if we were in the thick of a pennant race. I believe the decision has been made to sell and the front office will probably use the second half to try to make more rebuilding moves and also bring up additional prospects to get a better look at which ones might be on the 40 man in 2023.

 

They both must have been exhausted from the day after a night game!

[Bellhorn04]

They both must have been exhausted from the day after a night game!

 

Have you gone to the dark side?

[Bellhorn04]

Franchy is Fried.

 

Just a bad pun, but man has he been awful. Not a major league player, and his consistent minus WAR bears that out.

 

The Benintendi trade yielded Winckowski, which could be a huge plus. But it has also resulted in big chunks of two seasons of Franchy.

[notin]

As embarrassing and humiliating as last night's game was , it is still just one loss. There is no need to overreact. You don't change your plan because of any one game. To me , the bigger issue is all of the winnable games that slipped away in the late innings. Mostly due to the rag tag bullpen. And the blame for that is squarely on Sox management.

 

1. I agree that it was just one loss. Losing 28-5 and 6-5 both count the same.

 

2. The ragtag bullpen that was constructed appeared to me to contain Barnes, Whitlock, and Houck for the backend. Barnes’ collapse last season probably/possibly raised concerns but it did only span 10 IP and he had been thoroughly dominant before it and had been an All Star closer in 2021…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Franchy is Fried.

 

Just a bad pun, but man has he been awful. Not a major league player, and his consistent minus WAR bears that out.

 

The Benintendi trade yielded Winckowski, which could be a huge plus. But it has also resulted in big chunks of two seasons of Franchy.

 

It's was obvious to all of us watching last year that Franchy was never a centerpiece in the Beni trade. Instead, he remains an athlete with potential if only a miraculous coach can somehow unleash it. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear such an instructor works for Boston.

 

But player development doesn't seem to be exclusive of coaching staffs these days. The "future stars" of the minor leagues -- guys that succeed at virtually every level up the ladder -- don't always cut it in the bigs. What happened to the days when the likes of Greenwell, Burks, Benzinger, and Brady Anderson all came up at the same time? Maybe today's kids just don't play enough growing up to get the reps they need to catch -- or at least pursue -- fly balls hit in the twilight.

[notin]

Plus, Story is a career .238 hitter from the 8th inning on, not .200 and he has 58 XBHs in 619 PAs after the 7th.

 

He’s also a career .252 batter (.818 OPS) with RISP.

 

Nothing worse than a troll spewing falsehoods mixed with inflaming rhetoric.

 

And last time he said Story had a .000 BA vs 95+ mph, it took looking at 2 box scores to see it was incorrect…

[moonslav59]

Have you gone to the dark side?

 

Not really, but if they could have played, they should have played.

 

They can both be rested everyday after the deadline, if we lose more games with them (and others) on the bench.

[notin]

It's was obvious to all of us watching last year that Franchy was never a centerpiece in the Beni trade. Instead, he remains an athlete with potential if only a miraculous coach can somehow unleash it. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear such an instructor works for Boston.

 

But player development doesn't seem to be exclusive of coaching staffs these days. The "future stars" of the minor leagues -- guys that succeed at virtually every level up the ladder -- don't always cut it in the bigs. What happened to the days when the likes of Greenwell, Burks, Benzinger, and Brady Anderson all came up at the same time? Maybe today's kids just don't play enough growing up to get the reps they need to catch -- or at least pursue -- fly balls hit in the twilight.

 

Franchy was always one of those toolsy guys. Sometimes they do become Byron Buxton. But sometimes they’re just Cameron Maybin. And plenty of them are just Michael Coleman…

[moonslav59]

Franchy is Fried.

 

Just a bad pun, but man has he been awful. Not a major league player, and his consistent minus WAR bears that out.

 

The Benintendi trade yielded Winckowski, which could be a huge plus. But it has also resulted in big chunks of two seasons of Franchy.

 

At this point, I have more hope in Luis de la Rosa, Freddy Valdez or Grant Gambrell than Franchy.

[moonslav59]

And last time he said Story had a .000 BA vs 95+ mph, it took looking at 2 box scores to see it was incorrect…

 

I get that some use the hyperbole defense, but he's so way off with his facts, it's not even worth addressing.

 

Ignoring him is the best thing we all can do.

[Bellhorn04]

Not really, but if they could have played, they should have played.

 

They can both be rested everyday after the deadline, if we lose more games with them (and others) on the bench.

 

? Devers is on the IL with a hamstring and JD has missed both games with back spasms.

[moonslav59]

? Devers is on the IL with a hamstring and JD has missed both games with back spasms.

 

I'm out of the loop, recently.

 

I watched the game with no sound, as my 95 year old dad, was sleeping. He had a mild stroke, last Sunday night.

 

Disregard my post.

[cp176]

It's was obvious to all of us watching last year that Franchy was never a centerpiece in the Beni trade. Instead, he remains an athlete with potential if only a miraculous coach can somehow unleash it. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear such an instructor works for Boston.

 

But player development doesn't seem to be exclusive of coaching staffs these days. The "future stars" of the minor leagues -- guys that succeed at virtually every level up the ladder -- don't always cut it in the bigs. What happened to the days when the likes of Greenwell, Burks, Benzinger, and Brady Anderson all came up at the same time? Maybe today's kids just don't play enough growing up to get the reps they need to catch -- or at least pursue -- fly balls hit in the twilight.

 

Well I can safely speak to one of your points. The kids play enough and in some instances too much. Baseball much like basketball and soccer have expanded programs that make the days of seeing a 3 sport athlete unique.

[MADSTORK]

Disengage with trolls. They seek attention.

 

 

Your Team sucks!

Mis-management from the top to the bottom starting with the clown they hired from Tampa

 

You pink hats continue to put lipstick on a pig

 

Arguably one of the best Teams in MLB history assembled in 18 but let’s get rid of the GM “brilliant strategy “!

Look what DD has done in Philly you jack@sses!

 

Now you pink hats defend the Story signing but yet say nothing about Betts AB and Renfro all gone

 

You so called pink hat experts say nothing about the why the “Minor League System “ has not been overhauled to include the Advanced scouting department. Crockett Abraham Ohalloran Wren Romero Altobelli all garbage !

Fire them all and start over like Epstein did in 03

 

The joke is in you boys “Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed “!

[mvp 78]

This team kinda stinks. The rotation has been average, but everything else has been putrid. I think the offense should come back around in the next few weeks, but this bullpen is just ugly. Without a defined bullpen role for Houck/Whitlock, the pen is just a pile of nonsense.

 

If things don't turn around quick for Verdugo/Dalbec/Kiké and young guys stay in WOO, this team is a distant 4th and will be sellers in July. Signing Story seems to have been a mistake. Bye Xander. Bye Eovaldi. Bye JD. Bye Raffy.

 

Called it.

 

This sucks.

[Hugh2]

If there’s one silver lining in falling apart, it’s seeing who cracks and acts like a baby first. These are the fans who go through TVs faster than the rest of us, the ones who can’t control their emotions and throw their remotes against the walls.

 

Relax buttercups, there’s still plenty of baseball left to play.

[Nick]

As bad as we've played, we're only 3 games out.

 

Turn around has to start with starting pitching. Nick Pivetta needs to get better than his last 4/5 starts.

 

Starters have to keep us in the games. Then we'll have to score. Then the bullpen has to save the game. Maybe I'm asking too much.

[Nick]

I'm just asking...do we need to put a shift on a .200 hitter with no power? The opposite field base ground ball hit with two outs really hurt yesterday. Bello turned and had the look, "where's my shortstop?"

 

Why would I want to work the outer plate when the hitter knows there's only one infielder going opposite field? I'm just talking about Sallies of the hitters at the plate.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

If there’s one silver lining in falling apart, it’s seeing who cracks and acts like a baby first. These are the fans who go through TVs faster than the rest of us, the ones who can’t control their emotions and throw their remotes against the walls.

 

Relax buttercups, there’s still plenty of baseball left to play.

 

Hugh, the team is decimated by injuries, we just went 4-13 against AL East teams and a fire sale looks like it makes the most sense.

 

There's plenty of baseball left, but it doesn't look like it's going to be good baseball for the Red Sox.

[notin]

Hugh, the team is decimated by injuries, we just went 4-13 against AL East teams and a fire sale looks like it makes the most sense.

 

There's plenty of baseball left, but it doesn't look like it's going to be good baseball for the Red Sox.

 

A fire sale?

 

A fire sale actually makes the least amount of sense.

 

(My view of a firesale is dealing away more than just expiring contracts.)

 

And again, the team is decimated by injuries and still only 3 games out? How much do you want to unload before some of the injured players return?

[moonslav59]

A fire sale?

 

A fire sale actually makes the least amount of sense.

 

(My view of a firesale is dealing away more than just expiring contracts.)

 

And again, the team is decimated by injuries and still only 3 games out? How much do you want to unload before some of the injured players return?

 

A fire sale does not mean dealing everyone, including Devers.

 

I'm thinking trade all 9 expiring contracts- pay big chunks or all of the remaining money due to sweeten the return, if needed, and also look at trading some players with team control through 2023 or beyond (not expecting decent returns, but get something more hopeful, even if in single A):

 

Verdugo or Duran (only one can play LF, and the other is not a good enough hitter to DH)

Dalbec and/ or Cordero

Arroyo and JBJ

Sawamura, Brasier and Diekman

DHern and Valdez

 

That's half the 40 man roster. That's a fire sale like never seen in MLB history.

[Bellhorn04]

A fire sale?

 

A fire sale actually makes the least amount of sense.

 

(My view of a firesale is dealing away more than just expiring contracts.)

 

And again, the team is decimated by injuries and still only 3 games out? How much do you want to unload before some of the injured players return?

 

When I talk about a fire sale I'm only talking about expiring contracts.

 

The team is not only decimated by injuries, but Eovaldi and Pivetta have looked terrible in recent starts.

 

I'm not seeing the silver linings anywhere.