Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Yes a good story it is, and I’m excited to see how it turns out.

 

I hope the story ends up with him back as a Red Sox, and him doing well for us in a couple years.

 

I also would not mind it, if the Phillies traded us a prospect that ends up doing well for us, and Song does nothing of note for them.

 

Both, possible story endings.

[Old Red]

So, when the majority or perceived majority agrees with you, it has more meaning.

 

Got it.

 

Heck no! I’m in the minority more times than not especially on here, but not out in the real world like the gym. I don’t think it has anymore meaning at the gym, or the bowling alley than it does on here. Get out more often you might like it, but then again probably not.

[moonslav59]

Heck no! I’m in the minority more times than not especially on here, but not out in the real world like the gym. I don’t think it has anymore meaning at the gym, or the bowling alley than it does on here. Get out more often you might like it, but then again probably not.

 

Your assumptions are way off.

[Old Red]

Your assumptions are way off.

 

Always on here!

[Hugh2]

I don’t think the Red Sox got screwed in anyway here. They knew when they drafted Song it could be a long process to get Song on the mound in a Red Sox uniform. The rules are the rules. Now if you want to change the rules for military personnel going forward that’s fine. The Red Sox just didn’t want to take the process to the end to see if they had anything good, or not.

 

There are also talk that song wanted to apply for an exemption back then; which he did and was denied multiple times while with the Sox. The Sox new this, which is why they rolled the dice with him in the 4th and round and not the 1st. At the time. There was legislation that if passed may have made it more likely he would have received an exemption. It did not.

[Hugh2]

IMO, we should have protected Ward, but I do think they knew more about him that I do, so I'll wait before calling it a screw up.

 

I surely would have protected Ward and Politi over Song, knowing what I knew then.

 

What doesn’t make sense is who they DFAd in weeks ahead instead who they protected over Ward. If anything they look dumb getting nothing for him but Idk, it’s looking like a horrible move but we shall see.

[Bellhorn04]

It is for those reasons, people saw Noah Song's name on the Rule 5 list, and never even stopped to give him even a smidgeon of thought, other than thoughts unrelated to the question of protecting him or not.

 

If a GM protected every skilled player who had a legitimate shot at making the bigs, someday, the 40 man roster might have 10 guys in single A or looking to get to AA, that year.

 

Hell, many guys we left unprotected, and who were not selected were invited to ST'ing, something Song would not have been invited to, had he not been selected and made eligible, this winter.

 

Here was the Rule 5 list:

 

Enmanuel Valdez (Minor League FA- was added before Rule 5.)

 

Wilyer Abreu

Dan Altavilla

Angel Bastardo

Brock Bell

Royman Blanco

Brainer Bonaci

Zach Bryant

Cameron Cannon

Brendan Cellucci

Felix Cepeda

Kole Cottam

Wil Dalton

Joe Davis

Osvaldo De La Rosa

Luis De La Rosa

Tyler Dearden

Nick Decker

Jonathan Diaz

Alex Erro

Tyler Esplin

Albert Feliz

Durbin Feltman

Ryan Fernandez

Ryan Fitzgerald

Feleipe Franks

Grant Gambrell

Rio Gomez

Wikelman Gonzalez

Bryan Gonzalez

Devlin Granberg

David Hamilton

Gabriel Jackson

Axel James

Gilberto Jimenez

Christian Koss

Austin Lambright

Dominic LoBrutto

Eduardo Lopez

Bryan Lucas

Naysbel Marcano

Elih Marrero

Chris Murphy

Brendan Nail

Andres Ortuno

Yusniel Padron-Artiles

Eddinson Paulino

Aaron Perry

AJ Politi

Ceddanne Rafaela

Jose Ramirez

Oscar Rangel

Tyreque Reed

Carlos Reyes

Jorge Rodriguez

Giancarlos Santana

Victor Santos

Stephen Scott

Cody Scroggins

Chase Shugart

Nick Sogard

Noah Song

Dylan Spacke

Luis Talavera

Jake Thompson

Freddy Valdez

Michael Valera

Eduardo Vaughan

Jacob Wallace

Brandon Walter

Thaddeus Ward

Alex Zapete

Ryan Zeferjahn

 

There are 10 guys on this list, not protected or selected that are closer to ML ready than Song likely is.

 

Some are very skilled and will likely be protected, next year, but since the chances of them being taken this year were about as close to zero as zero itself, they were left unprotected- like every GM does, every year.

 

The funny thing is, up until we got Whitlock, the Rule 5 draft didn't seem to get talked about much at all. It didn't seem like a big deal. Now suddenly it is.

[notin]

What doesn’t make sense is who they DFAd in weeks ahead instead who they protected over Ward. If anything they look dumb getting nothing for him but Idk, it’s looking like a horrible move but we shall see.

 

The award situation has some similarities to Song as well as some differences.

 

Ward is 26 years old and his MiLB career is very bottom-heavy. He has 41 IP in AA and nothing in AAA. It’s not ridiculous to think a player with that background coupled with his injury history is likely to be returned.

 

Except Washington. Full rebuild mode. Certainly Ward has to impress somewhat, but his threshold is probably quite lower than what the Phillies will need from Song.

 

So with Ward, he could slate anywhere from Opening Day starter to “return to sender” by the time this plays out. His likelihood of being returned is certainly below that of Song, but it isn’t exactly non-existant…

[moonslav59]

What doesn’t make sense is who they DFAd in weeks ahead instead who they protected over Ward. If anything they look dumb getting nothing for him but Idk, it’s looking like a horrible move but we shall see.

 

To me, it's like your driving down a 4 lane highway and decide to pass a beat up truck. Just as you are next to him, his tire blows out and he veers into you.

 

Bad move deciding to drive next to a truck about to have a blowout. Bad move.

[moonslav59]

The funny thing is, up until we got Whitlock, the Rule 5 draft didn't seem to get talked about much at all. It didn't seem like a big deal. Now suddenly it is.

 

I remember following it loosely, just to see what prospects the team seemed to value most.

 

I think before Whitlock, Josh Rutledge might have been the most memorable choice.

 

I remember looking back in hindsight and wondering "what if" about Ryan Pressley, but never dreamed of thinking the GM messed up.

 

[moonslav59]

The award situation has some similarities to Song as well as some differences.

 

 

One remembers how to pitch: the other forgot, or so I hear.

 

You can't get much different from that.

[notin]

I remember following it loosely, just to see what prospects the team seemed to value most.

 

I think before Whitlock, Josh Rutledge might have been the most memorable choice.

 

I remember looking back in hindsight and wondering "what if" about Ryan Pressley, but never dreamed of thinking the GM messed up.

 

 

The big “what if” was Josh Fields. If the Sox protected him in the Rule 5 draft instead of letting Houston take him, would Boston have been able to trade him to the Dodgers for Yordan Alvarez?

 

And let’s not forget in our Wayback Machine, the Sox selected Marwin Gonzalez in the Rule 5 draft from the Cubs. And then traded him to Houston where he learned to increase his value through cheating.

 

The biggest Rule 5 pick in Sox history may have been another former Yankee in Lenny DiNardo, who appeared in 22 games for that curse-breaking 2004 Sox team.

[mvp 78]

I was thinking Michael Jordan, but Wilson?

 

Russell Wilson was a Rule 5 pick. Was Michael Jordan?

[mvp 78]

I remember following it loosely, just to see what prospects the team seemed to value most.

 

I think before Whitlock, Josh Rutledge might have been the most memorable choice.

 

I remember looking back in hindsight and wondering "what if" about Ryan Pressley, but never dreamed of thinking the GM messed up.

 

 

What do you have against Adam Stern and Lenny Dinardo? Arauz was also prior to Whitlock, so I'm assuming you knew who he was.

 

Sox also have Rule 5 history with Marwin Gonzalez, Josh Fields and Ryan Pressly. It was not a big deal from 2013-2018 though.

[mvp 78]

The big “what if” was Josh Fields. If the Sox protected him in the Rule 5 draft instead of letting Houston take him, would Boston have been able to trade him to the Dodgers for Yordan Alvarez?

 

And let’s not forget in our Wayback Machine, the Sox selected Marwin Gonzalez in the Rule 5 draft from the Cubs. And then traded him to Houston where he learned to increase his value through cheating.

 

The biggest Rule 5 pick in Sox history may have been another former Yankee in Lenny DiNardo, who appeared in 22 games for that curse-breaking 2004 Sox team.

 

No mention of Sox letting Ryan Pressly go?

[moonslav59]

What do you have against Adam Stern and Lenny Dinardo? Arauz was also prior to Whitlock, so I'm assuming you knew who he was.

 

Sox also have Rule 5 history with Marwin Gonzalez, Josh Fields and Ryan Pressly. It was not a big deal from 2013-2018 though.

 

Only one can be "most" memorable. That's what most means.

[notin]

No mention of Sox letting Ryan Pressly go?

 

I think he was the same year as Fields, right?

 

He was a big loss, but the second degree connection to Yordan Alvarez makes for more fun speculation…

[moonslav59]

I think he was the same year as Fields, right?

 

 

Yes, the same season.

 

Let's hope no double whammy, this year.

[mvp 78]

I think he was the same year as Fields, right?

 

He was a big loss, but the second degree connection to Yordan Alvarez makes for more fun speculation…

 

DD would have just traded away Alvarez anyway.

[Hugh2]

I truly believe the exemption increases the odds Philly returns him to Boston. But I believe they have to put him through waivers first so would t that mean another team could claim him?

 

I can see a scenario where Philly is in competition and can’t afford to stash Song but he gets claimed by a team that can afford to do so…like Oakland.

[moonslav59]

I truly believe the exemption increases the odds Philly returns him to Boston. But I believe they have to put him through waivers first so would t that mean another team could claim him?

 

I can see a scenario where Philly is in competition and can’t afford to stash Song but he gets claimed by a team that can afford to do so…like Oakland.

 

The Phillies can give the Sox something, and it would take away their need to keep him on the 26, something I'm sure DD would prefer.

 

Perhaps they are all waiting to see what he looks like in workouts, before deciding on doing that who who gets offered to the Sox, if it happens, at all.

[Hugh2]

The Phillies can give the Sox something, and it would take away their need to keep him on the 26, something I'm sure DD would prefer.

 

Perhaps they are all waiting to see what he looks like in workouts, before deciding on doing that who who gets offered to the Sox, if it happens, at all.

 

They also don’t have to put him on the 40 man yet, I think they have 15 days after opening day. A situation unique to Song

[notin]

DD would have just traded away Alvarez anyway.

 

Fair point…

[notin]

The Phillies can give the Sox something, and it would take away their need to keep him on the 26, something I'm sure DD would prefer.

 

Perhaps they are all waiting to see what he looks like in workouts, before deciding on doing that who who gets offered to the Sox, if it happens, at all.

 

That’s what I’ve been saying since the draft…

[moonslav59]

That’s what I’ve been saying since the draft…

 

Yes, and it makes more sense that this could be the endgame, assuming he looks good.

[moonslav59]

On Song...

 

He would be just about on his way to Japan, had his request for status change not been accepted:

 

Song sings:

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/phillies-noah-song-navy-roster-spring-training-20230223.html

 

Song never expected selection:

“To be honest, I had heard of the Rule 5 draft before but I didn’t know anything about it. I didn’t know any of the rules associated with it. I definitely didn’t think I was going to get picked. Nobody expected it.

[Bellhorn04]

On Song...

 

He would be just about on his way to Japan, had his request for status change not been accepted:

 

Song sings:

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/phillies-noah-song-navy-roster-spring-training-20230223.html

 

Song never expected selection:

“To be honest, I had heard of the Rule 5 draft before but I didn’t know anything about it. I didn’t know any of the rules associated with it. I definitely didn’t think I was going to get picked. Nobody expected it.

 

The fact it's such a Cinderella story is part of what makes me nervous. Chalk it up to superstition, I guess.

 

The guy has a female agent. He's different!

[notin]

The fact it's such a Cinderella story is part of what makes me nervous. Chalk it up to superstition, I guess.

 

The guy has a female agent. He's different!

 

 

MLBTR says what I’ve been saying

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/big-hype-prospects-jones-mauricio-vientos-song-brown.html

[Bellhorn04]

MLBTR says what I’ve been saying

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/big-hype-prospects-jones-mauricio-vientos-song-brown.html

 

Your assertions and those of the experts are perfectly sensible. Like I say, that's part of what bothers me!

 

We only have to spin the dial back two years to see how the Sox made it work with Whitlock. Instead of him being the difference in not making the playoffs, it was the other way about...

 

Anyway, it's just something half-interesting to jabber about.

[notin]

Your assertions … are perfectly sensible. Like I say, that's part of what bothers me!

 

 

That feels like a dig…