Fire Bloom .

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You must have hated trading 24 year old Jacob Wallace for 28 year old Wyatt Mills.

 

Too bad we traded Pavano & Armas for Pedro, Fossum, de la Rosa and Lyon for Schilling and Kopech for Sale.

 

Changing the narrative again. The whole debate was about losing young pitchers for nothing in the Rule V draft... while instead keeping older players with little promise (except that they promise to get to the game on time).

[mvp 78]

I think it’s impossible that Song was forgotten about. The Sox figured no team was going to be bold and make an unprecedented move. If Song sticks, it will be a point of reference for Bloom and every other GM out there moving forward.

 

My position was in response to this idea:

 

All those advanced college degrees in that office, and nobody knew what apparently Dombrowski did?

 

And my point has always been it's reasonable to question losing any young pitchers for this franchise and its constantly stated goal of looking ahead.

[mvp 78]

They can't even come in last bad enough to get a higher pick?

 

No, because while some people keep banging on the "last place" stuff, they really could have been (or should have been) so much worse. They were merely mediocre. They were boring. Pedestrian! Middle of the pack! The were basically an expensive version of the Twins.

[Old Red]

Shouldn't Bloom be smarter than baseball pundits?

 

Where did it originate that Bloom has any baseball smarts at all? I think it’s obvious by now that Bloom got the credit for the work of all the other nerds in Tampa. Did Bloom look so smart at the trade deadline last year? Did Bloom look smart staying over the dreaded tax line last year, and ending up in last place?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No, because while some people keep banging on the "last place" stuff, they really could have been (or should have been) so much worse. They were merely mediocre. They were boring. Pedestrian! Middle of the pack! The were basically an expensive version of the Twins.

 

At least the Sox won a playoff game vs NY this century. Correa better leave his watch at home next October.

[Bellhorn04]

The vast majority of us on here have questioned why players like Ort and Brasier have been retained. When have debated the reasoning behind it. We'll see if it works out in Bloom's favor. His track record shows that there will be a few missteps each season, but that's not really unique to him.

 

However, prior to the Rule 5 draft, I don't remember one f***ing poster on here saying "WHY DIDN'T WE PROTECT NOAH SONG?"

 

Not you too. Where was the discussion on the Rule 5 draft here?

 

The only people here I would expect to be in the know on something like that are you and notin. And you guys didn't mention a thing about Ward and Song until after the draft - like everyone else.

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree, you can't make roster decisions and burn a 40 man spot because a guy might be taken who fits a profile of a guy who has NEVER been taken before. This just doesn't make sense.

 

Song's situation is unprecedented. To me that's the whole point. Since he's unique, of course someone like him has never been taken before.

[mvp 78]

Where did it originate that Bloom has any baseball smarts at all? I think it’s obvious by now that Bloom got the credit for the work of all the other nerds in Tampa. Did Bloom look so smart at the trade deadline last year? Did Bloom look smart staying over the dreaded tax line last year, and ending up in last place?

 

I think it's all according to plan. Not Bloom's plan though. I think he's Henry's patsy. Bloom will take the fall for now. If the Sox continue to suck, he'll get fired and Henry will bring in another "system" guy. We won't see another DD type.

[mvp 78]

Not you too. Where was the discussion on the Rule 5 draft here?

 

The only people here I would expect to be in the know on something like that are you and notin. And you guys didn't mention a thing about Ward and Song until after the draft - like everyone else.

 

Wrong about Ward. Correct about Song.

[mvp 78]

This is what I wrote the day after the final 40 man was announced for the Rule 5 protections.

 

Paulino and Bonaci are far away. Wikelman is far away, but it's risky to leave him unprotected. I believe Ward was left unprotected due to health concerns, but I would have protected him for sure. I believe Fernandez ended the season with an injury, but he's close to providing an MLB team with bullpen help. I don't think Koss, Jimenez or Bastardo would be selected. Politi or Wallace could be selected, but there are probably better options available on other rosters.

 

I did NOT mention Song. That is correct. I don't remember anyone else around here mentioning him either.

[mvp 78]

And on 10/27, this is what I wrote:

 

They probably only protect 5 or 6 guys at most.

 

My guess:

Valdez

Paulino

Rafaela

Walter

Ward

Wikelman (maybe)

[Old Red]

I think it's all according to plan. Not Bloom's plan though. I think he's Henry's patsy. Bloom will take the fall for now. If the Sox continue to suck, he'll get fired and Henry will bring in another "system" guy. We won't see another DD type.

So the trade deadline, and staying over the tax line was Henry’s plan? I just don’t think that Bloom is nowhere near as good, or baseball smart as lots do on here. There is more to it than just reading computer printouts.

[mvp 78]

Reading this very thread back in November shows, notin, moon and I all saying that Ward should be added to the 40 man so that he doesn't get picked. Nobody else really contributes to the conversation.

[Old Red]

Reading this very thread back in November shows, notin, moon and I all saying that Ward should be added to the 40 man so that he doesn't get picked. Nobody else really contributes to the conversation.

Guilty as charged, but then again I’m not all that interested in the backend of the 40 man.

[mvp 78]

So the trade deadline, and staying over the tax line was Henry’s plan? I just don’t think that Bloom is nowhere near as good, or baseball smart as lots do on here. There is more to it than just reading computer printouts.

 

Henry didn't want to lose the $$$ coming into the ballpark or the tv revenue or the long shot at playoff revenue. I think Bloom would have taken the chance at dealing JD and getting under the CBT. Henry doesn't want to spend. Werner does want to spend. We need to see which dynamic plays out. They are trying to keep Henry out of the spotlight and away from the public because he's good at making himself look at little foolish and can be brash. His email interview responses last week were poorly thought out. The looking at the watch gimmick from winter fest was stupid. Henry's personality is the reason that Sam Kennedy has a job. Kennedy is basically the shield between Henry looking like a buffoon and the rest of the media and the public at large. Henry no longer sits in the seats with the public, but now is up in the luxury box. He's insulated/isolated for a reason. Sox are very cognizant of PR and Henry is BAD for PR.

[mvp 78]

Guilty as charged, but then again I’m not all that interested in the backend of the 40 man.

 

That's fine. You don't have to be. You can let the other psychos here worry about it.

[Old Red]

Henry didn't want to lose the $$$ coming into the ballpark or the tv revenue or the long shot at playoff revenue. I think Bloom would have taken the chance at dealing JD and getting under the CBT. Henry doesn't want to spend. Werner does want to spend. We need to see which dynamic plays out. They are trying to keep Henry out of the spotlight and away from the public because he's good at making himself look at little foolish and can be brash. His email interview responses last week were poorly thought out. The looking at the watch gimmick from winter fest was stupid. Henry's personality is the reason that Sam Kennedy has a job. Kennedy is basically the shield between Henry looking like a buffoon and the rest of the media and the public at large. Henry no longer sits in the seats with the public, but now is up in the luxury box. He's insulated/isolated for a reason. Sox are very cognizant of PR and Henry is BAD for PR.

 

I think this sums things up pretty well, but only to add that Bloom doesn’t help out with good PR either.

[notin]

He would have to stay on the active roster for 50 days next year before Philly could option him.

 

But not what I asked. Does he get a year of MLB service time during prolonged Rule 5 status?

[moonslav59]

They can't even come in last bad enough to get a higher pick?

 

So, we are even inept at being inept!

[moonslav59]

Changing the narrative again. The whole debate was about losing young pitchers for nothing in the Rule V draft... while instead keeping older players with little promise (except that they promise to get to the game on time).

 

I was responding to a more general statement made by a certain poster:

 

Losing any young pitchers of promise is inept for a last place team with last place pitching and a front office constantly telling its fans "Wait til next core..."

[moonslav59]

Where did it originate that Bloom has any baseball smarts at all? I think it’s obvious by now that Bloom got the credit for the work of all the other nerds in Tampa. Did Bloom look so smart at the trade deadline last year? Did Bloom look smart staying over the dreaded tax line last year, and ending up in last place?

 

Just don't say you "hate Bloom," right?

[mvp 78]

I think this sums things up pretty well, but only to add that Bloom doesn’t help out with good PR either.

 

Bloom treads water ok with the media and the knives are out for him. Henry is dead weight.

[Old Red]

Just don't say you "hate Bloom," right?

 

It’s obvious to most, but not on here that Bloom is not as good as you think he is, but of course your red glasses are tinted more by being a groupie.

[Hugh2]

Ward was the real screw up. Players that fit his profile DO get picked all the time and it was predictable he was going to be taken. It’s not fair to blame Bloom for losing Song, and this is not defending Bloom, this would be defending any GM in that position.

 

Losing out on WARD is the real head scratcher, and deserving of criticism. Bloom seemingly messed up big time there,

[moonslav59]

Song's situation is unprecedented. To me that's the whole point. Since he's unique, of course someone like him has never been taken before.

 

What is not unique is the general sense that no GMs take players who are not ML or near ML ready. In no sense, was Song either. He is so far away from ML ready that guys like Wikelman and Paulino, as well as actual considered players like Wallace, Scott and Koss (AAA type players) looked like better "traditional" choices, last December.

[Old Red]

Bloom treads water ok with the media and the knives are out for him. Henry is dead weight.

 

Henry was more fun back in his sports talk radio appearance days.

[moonslav59]

It’s obvious to most, but not on here that Bloom is not as good as you think he is, but of course your red glasses are tinted more by being a groupie.

 

I don't think he's all that good. I just don't think he sucks, and I realize the impossible situation he was handed.

[moonslav59]

All we really need is a fun GM.

[moonslav59]

Ward was the real screw up. Players that fit his profile DO get picked all the time and it was predictable he was going to be taken. It’s not fair to blame Bloom for losing Song, and this is not defending Bloom, this would be defending any GM in that position.

 

Losing out on WARD is the real head scratcher, and deserving of criticism. Bloom seemingly messed up big time there,

 

IMO, we should have protected Ward, but I do think they knew more about him that I do, so I'll wait before calling it a screw up.

 

I surely would have protected Ward and Politi over Song, knowing what I knew then.

[Old Red]

I don't think he's all that good. I just don't think he sucks, and I realize the impossible situation he was handed.

 

Bloom was handed a winning team 4 years running, and a WS win a year before. DD wasn’t fired, because he was bad at his job, but because of a falling out with JH. Bloom will be fired, because he was bad at his job. The impossible situation Bloom was handed is just a theory of yours that you have spewed since Bloom was hired.