Fire Bloom .

[Bobe2]

No one worries if Henry has to pay a tax. Some folks just acknowledge he won’t always do it, and history has backed them up on this repeatedly…

 

You know the luxury cap tax today really isn’t much of a penalty, because every MLB team is guaranteed a least $100 million payment from baseball for TV rights every year, yes every year

[notin]

I guess it’s to everyone’s interpretation, which there is many.

 

The only other interpretation is the author doesn’t think Cora is a good manager…

[moonslav59]

I stand by my comment.

 

How much do you really know about these guys. Hell, you didn't even think Whitlock was anything that special, and he was in your back yard.

 

We are deeper than you think, and much deeper than we have been in almost a decade.

[moonslav59]

Fangraphs scores:

 

Sox

50 Bello

45+ Gonzalez

45 Wink, Seabold, Walter

40+ Mata, Ward, Song

40 Crawford, German, Bazardo, Wallace,

35+ (16 pitchers)

 

NYY

50

45+ Gomez

45 Thorpe, Beeter, Gil

40+ Marinaccio, Ridings, Garcia, Lange

40 Vazquez, Sauer, Vrieling, Selvidge, Beck

35+ (5 total)

 

So, 45+ Sox 5-3

40 to 40+ Yanks 9-7

35+ Sox 16-5

 

Which farm is top heavy?

Which farm is shallow?

[Old Red]

5-7-11 How low can you go?

 

500-Div- Last Wild Card Spot

[Bellhorn04]

Sure it is, but you all say the same thing, get original have your own thoughts be entertaining instead of blah blah blah, and saying the same things over and over and over again, stop trying to intimidate others with endless numbers and useless facts and figures, like you said it’s a chat board not GMs in training

 

People can post whatever and however they want. That's exactly what's good about it.

[moonslav59]

People can post whatever and however they want. That's exactly what's good about it.

 

I think it's great how Bobe2 never repeats himself and always presents fresh and insightful posts, while never endlessly using stats or data- or facts, for that matter.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No stats or data here, just quotes.

 

Whenever someone makes another Little League error for the Red Sox, Cora defends the guy -- Franchy, Duran, Arroyo, etc. -- as "still learning"... at the big league level. To some fans, depending on how much time and money they have invested in spectating, such a statement could be chilling, outrageous and unacceptable (and rightly so). Cora's go-to comment could also show his patience as a manager, while at the same time indicting his general manager for acquiring/promoting not-ready-for-primetime players.

 

But after last night's game, Cora said: “We are where we are because we’re short in certain areas." That's not implicit; that's just blatant.

 

How else to explain continually putting people in the best positions to fail? Unless it's all part of a conspiracy of tanking...

[jacksonianmarch]

No stats or data here, just quotes.

 

Whenever someone makes another Little League error for the Red Sox, Cora defends the guy -- Franchy, Duran, Arroyo, etc. -- as "still learning"... at the big league level. To some fans, depending on how much time and money they have invested in spectating, such a statement could be chilling, outrageous and unacceptable (and rightly so). Cora's go-to comment could also show his patience as a manager, while at the same time indicting his general manager for acquiring/promoting not-ready-for-primetime players.

 

But after last night's game, Cora said: “We are where we are because we’re short in certain areas." That's not implicit; that's just blatant.

 

How else to explain continually putting people in the best positions to fail? Unless it's all part of a conspiracy of tanking...

 

You're kinda locked into a teens pick, so tanking isn't really worth it at this point. If you were headed for a top 10 pick, then tanking makes sense. You're in the middling zone you never ever want to be in

[Old Red]

No stats or data here, just quotes.

 

Whenever someone makes another Little League error for the Red Sox, Cora defends the guy -- Franchy, Duran, Arroyo, etc. -- as "still learning"... at the big league level. To some fans, depending on how much time and money they have invested in spectating, such a statement could be chilling, outrageous and unacceptable (and rightly so). Cora's go-to comment could also show his patience as a manager, while at the same time indicting his general manager for acquiring/promoting not-ready-for-primetime players.

 

But after last night's game, Cora said: “We are where we are because we’re short in certain areas." That's not implicit; that's just blatant.

 

How else to explain continually putting people in the best positions to fail? Unless it's all part of a conspiracy of tanking...

 

Arroyo was out of position last night for the cutoff that could have prevented most of the damage of the 3 run keystone cops impression.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You're kinda locked into a teens pick, so tanking isn't really worth it at this point. If you were headed for a top 10 pick, then tanking makes sense. You're in the middling zone you never ever want to be in

 

I'm personally locked in a time warp, when big league teams carried one or two utility men who could actually play, like a Brock Holt, who could hit for the cycle in a playoff game, or a Rick Miller, who was as good or better an outfielder as any of the regulars.

 

I really don't need Kike AND Marwin, just because they both play everywhere, or Franchy, who can't play anywhere, or Arroyo, who can hit righthanded, so let's make him a rightfielder and a first baseman, where he can give up more runs than he drives in.

[Old Red]

I'm personally locked in a time warp, when big league teams carried one or two utility men who could actually play, like a Brock Holt, who could hit for the cycle in a playoff game, or a Rick Miller, who was as good or better an outfielder as any of the regulars.

 

I really don't need Kike AND Marwin, just because they both play everywhere, or Franchy, who can't play anywhere, or Arroyo, who can hit righthanded, so let's make him a rightfielder and a first baseman, where he can give up more runs than he drives in.

Don’t forget Dalton Jones, but I hear what you are saying. There were lots of times this year that reminded you of watching a little league game.

[moonslav59]

Arroyo was out of position last night for the cutoff that could have prevented most of the damage of the 3 run keystone cops impression.

 

Did you also see the weak one bounce throw by Dugo. It's like he threw it in slo-mo. No urgency displayed.

 

[Old Red]

Did you also see the weak one bounce throw by Dugo. It's like he threw it in slo-mo. No urgency displayed.

 

We know that Dugy does not have a arm for RF. Pham was a good acquisition, but someone who could play RF would have been better.

[moonslav59]

We know that Dugy does not have a arm for RF. Pham was a good acquisition, but someone who could play RF would have been better.

 

Agreed. He did make one good throw, the other day, and I guess that convinced some, he was okay in Fenway's RF.

[notin]

Agreed. He did make one good throw, the other day, and I guess that convinced some, he was okay in Fenway's RF.

 

People think Verdugo lacks the arm strength to play RF?

 

If you’re questioning his accuracy, that’s one thing. And potentially valid. But he absolutely has the arm strength for the throws even from Fenway’s RF…

[moonslav59]

People think Verdugo lacks the arm strength to play RF?

 

If you’re questioning his accuracy, that’s one thing. And potentially valid. But he absolutely has the arm strength for the throws even from Fenway’s RF…

 

He does, but even his strength seems erratic. That throw last night was Ellsburyesque.

[notin]

I'm personally locked in a time warp, when big league teams carried one or two utility men who could actually play, like a Brock Holt, who could hit for the cycle in a playoff game, or a Rick Miller, who was as good or better an outfielder as any of the regulars.

 

I really don't need Kike AND Marwin, just because they both play everywhere, or Franchy, who can't play anywhere, or Arroyo, who can hit righthanded, so let's make him a rightfielder and a first baseman, where he can give up more runs than he drives in.

 

Your time warp has forgotten that defensively, Holt was a good corner OF and 1b, and pretty bad everywhere else…

[cp176]

People think Verdugo lacks the arm strength to play RF?

 

If you’re questioning his accuracy, that’s one thing. And potentially valid. But he absolutely has the arm strength for the throws even from Fenway’s RF…

 

Boy oh boy he sure lacked it on the play.

[cp176]

It has been kind of interesting actually watching a style that kind of looks like mix and match to me. I'm not a big fan of having many players used in multiple positions. I still tend to think of Arroyo as a second baseman. And let's see Almonte in center was entertaining in a painful sort of way. Other than accepting that this is just a bad baseball team, I don't get some of the stuff that has been done.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Your time warp has forgotten that defensively, Holt was a good corner OF and 1b, and pretty bad everywhere else…

 

I haven't forgotten, though I don't remember anyone ever saying he was still learning to play baseball, once he made the majors. And I know you get my point.

 

What I mostly remember is when the pre-Bloom John Henry Red Sox sought to fill positions in need, they went out and signed or traded for established players: this third baseman is our new third baseman, this rightfielder is our new rightfielder -- not: this guy wears lots of gloves, and we're going to see if one can fit on his foot, and maybe he can wear another for a hat.

 

The only other GM who tried to contrive was Cherington, the year he signed Hanley to be a leftfielder. And he basically got canned for that offseason.

[mvp 78]

We know that Dugy does not have a arm for RF. Pham was a good acquisition, but someone who could play RF would have been better.

 

I would be surprised if he's the starting RFer on 4/1/23.

[moonslav59]

I haven't forgotten, though I don't remember anyone ever saying he was still learning to play baseball, once he made the majors. And I know you get my point.

 

What I mostly remember is when the pre-Bloom John Henry Red Sox sought to fill positions in need, they went out and signed or traded for established players: this third baseman is our new third baseman, this rightfielder is our new rightfielder -- not: this guy wears lots of gloves, and we're going to see if one can fit on his foot, and maybe he can wear another for a hat.

 

The only other GM who tried to contrive was Cherington, the year he signed Hanley to be a leftfielder. And he basically got canned for that offseason.

 

Agon in RF?

 

Bogey playing 3B after just 10 games in AAA at 3B- right in the middle of a playoff run?

 

VMart to 1B?

 

We've had guys like Holt and Lowrie play several positions without being very good at some of them.

[mvp 78]

I haven't forgotten, though I don't remember anyone ever saying he was still learning to play baseball, once he made the majors. And I know you get my point.

 

What I mostly remember is when the pre-Bloom John Henry Red Sox sought to fill positions in need, they went out and signed or traded for established players: this third baseman is our new third baseman, this rightfielder is our new rightfielder -- not: this guy wears lots of gloves, and we're going to see if one can fit on his foot, and maybe he can wear another for a hat.

 

The only other GM who tried to contrive was Cherington, the year he signed Hanley to be a leftfielder. And he basically got canned for that offseason.

 

He wasn't fired, he quit a few weeks after DD rolled into town.

[Bellhorn04]

He wasn't fired, he quit a few weeks after DD rolled into town.

 

Was it a few weeks?

[mvp 78]

Was it a few weeks?

 

Nope! He did resign though.

[dgalehouse]

In this miserable season , the Sox at least provided some comic relief last night. Their bumbling , inept play was good for a few laughs. I wonder if John Henry was amused ? .

[oldtimer]

In this miserable season , the Sox at least provided some comic relief last night. Their bumbling , inept play was good for a few laughs. I wonder if John Henry was amused ? .

 

It was a horrible display by the team. Three charged errors, and I counted more. JDM doesn't touch first, when's the last time you saw that. Time for some new blood and guys who can and will play their positions well. Familia one night Almonte the next, Bloom is picking up guys no one else wants.

[notin]

I haven't forgotten, though I don't remember anyone ever saying he was still learning to play baseball, once he made the majors. And I know you get my point.

 

What I mostly remember is when the pre-Bloom John Henry Red Sox sought to fill positions in need, they went out and signed or traded for established players: this third baseman is our new third baseman, this rightfielder is our new rightfielder -- not: this guy wears lots of gloves, and we're going to see if one can fit on his foot, and maybe he can wear another for a hat.

 

The only other GM who tried to contrive was Cherington, the year he signed Hanley to be a leftfielder. And he basically got canned for that offseason.

 

No. The only other GM to do it was Friedman, who brought in utility players from other organizations like Justin Turner, Max Muncy and Chris Taylor and made them all regular starters.

 

Cherington did bust with Hanley in LF, but why is that the example? Especially since I thought he originally brought him in to play 3b, and plans changed with Sandoval. Of course Cherington was also in charge when Mookie Betts switched to OF and signed Napoli to play 1b, so his track record for changing positions isn’t as bad as that one example suggests…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In this miserable season , the Sox at least provided some comic relief last night. Their bumbling , inept play was good for a few laughs. I wonder if John Henry was amused ? .

 

Im sure plenty of Yankee fans were laughing. I know a few Red Sox fans who were disgusted, though you wouldn't know it on a forum called talksox, because the members who are pissed are either done with the hangers wearing this laundry, watching football, or know better than to vent anything perceived as negative, lest Sam Kennedy's interns pounce on every single word or phrase in defense of a last-place organization.

 

Many Sox fans do know Brock Holt made the AL All-Star team as a utility man, Ben Cherington was replaced by Dave Dombrowski in charge, Xander Bogaerts was promoted at age 20 because his offense was good enough to finish second to Big Papi in '13 postseason OPS, and that Adrian Gonzalez was acquired to be the longterm, middle-order Gold Glove first baseman.

 

But what's really cool about the '22 Sox is that they had four different position players so versatile they were able to pitch -- Yolmer, JBJ, Plawecki and McGuire -- which ties a team record this century... with last year's squad (Arauz, Arroyo, Marwin, Pla). Hey, there's still almost three weeks left to set a new mark!