Fire Bloom .

[notin]

And, how did we choose to acquire some of those greats?

 

I doubt they only looked at ERA & BA and the ole "eye test."

 

How did they decide to let some of our stars go- just in time?

 

It couldn't have anything to do with data on player decline by age- that would be too nerdy.

 

Remember when everyone ooo'd and awww'd at VTek's computer brain? The guy committed to memory more than any little cheat sheet kept under a player's cap could ever hold. You think all he memorized was BA's and HRs?

 

I don't get why some want to limit intelligence in baseball.

 

 

Not to mention how every new-dangled metric eventually just becomes a boring stat.

 

Who even looked at OBP thirty years ago? Now we look at it as something we need to get back to.

 

Or do people think Abner Doubleday put the formula for calculating WHIP into the original rules, right after adding when a relief pitcher is eligible for a save vs a hold?

 

It is funny that many who decry analytics also cling to the Save stat as if that didn’t derive from analytical data…

[moonslav59]

Not to mention how every new-dangled metric eventually just becomes a boring stat.

 

Who even looked at OBP thirty years ago? Now we look at it as something we need to get back to.

 

Or do people think Abner Doubleday put the formula for calculating WHIP into the original rules, right after adding when a relief pitcher is eligible for a save vs a hold?

 

It is funny that many who decry analytics also cling to the Save stat as if that didn’t derive from analytical data…

 

Teams have always noticed things like, "Don't pitch so-and-so inside" or "so-and-so down and away." That's analytics. Now that teams have gotten smarter about it, and studied, calculated and created spread sheets on every batter and pitcher, it's "gone to far," and the "Nerds are ruining the game." Newsflash: the teams that have done this the best are often the winningest ones, and it's always been like that.

 

I get the dislike of seeing 3 infielders on the left side of the infield. It just doesn't look right. It doesn't look like the baseball we all grew up playing and or watching. It's not a big deal, to me, outlawing it, but it doesn't seem right to legislate against teams being smarter than others. Also, I might prefer seeing 3 infielders on the left side of the infield over some ugly new lines painted on the field.

 

There are plenty of other ways to speed up the game.

[moonslav59]

Anybody else notice that with Verlander on the IL, the ex-Rays GM, James Click's team has a 6 man rotation. Nothing strange about that, you say?

 

Well, all are homegrown!!!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It is funny that many who decry analytics also cling to the Save stat as if that didn’t derive from analytical data…

 

The Save is just a label, though some officials and agents (and even advertisers) cling to it to make it sound important. To me, it's almost as useless as using ERA to compare relievers. Pitching a 1-2-3 9th certainly helps win games, but how about the reliever who enters a game with two runners aboard, gives up a couple hits that knock them both home, then strands his own runners? His ERA is 0.00 -- what a relief ace!

 

Preventing -- or allowing -- inherited baserunners to score is more relevant for guys coming out of the bullpen. Just ask Brayan Bello... is there a stat somewhere for earned runs he gave up when he was actually on the diamond?

 

If so, please point me to the team stats that show how inept Boston's calvary has been in this category, and how "shutdown" true contenders' relief crews have been.

[Old Red]

And, how did we choose to acquire some of those greats?

 

I doubt they only looked at ERA & BA and the ole "eye test."

 

How did they decide to let some of our stars go- just in time?

 

It couldn't have anything to do with data on player decline by age- that would be too nerdy.

 

Remember when everyone ooo'd and awww'd at VTek's computer brain? The guy committed to memory more than any little cheat sheet kept under a player's cap could ever hold. You think all he memorized was BA's and HRs?

 

I don't get why some want to limit intelligence in baseball.

 

 

Did you read the article from Dan Bickley who said Big Data has done more to ruin baseball than the steroid era? Lots of interesting reads, and different opinions out there. Oh no your saying. Yep it’s true.

[mvp 78]

Not to mention how every new-dangled metric eventually just becomes a boring stat.

 

Who even looked at OBP thirty years ago? Now we look at it as something we need to get back to.

 

Or do people think Abner Doubleday put the formula for calculating WHIP into the original rules, right after adding when a relief pitcher is eligible for a save vs a hold?

 

It is funny that many who decry analytics also cling to the Save stat as if that didn’t derive from analytical data…

 

Yes, 20 years ago, radio talk show callers were complaining about OBP being an advanced stat thought up by the Red Sox computers and that they should just go back to hitting homeruns over the monster like back in the 70's and 80's. WEEI even made dumb songs like "You Down with OBP" to make fun of it.

[mvp 78]

Did you read the article from Dan Bickley who said Big Data has done more to ruin baseball than the steroid era? Lots of interesting reads, and different opinions out there. Oh no your saying. Yep it’s true.

 

Every top 10 attendance team of 2019 (NYY, BOS, LAD, LAA, PHI, CHIC, STL, HOU) has a smaller average attendance in 2022. Is the game anymore analytical now than in 2019, I don't think so. Is it more expensive? Yup. That's where I'm pointing my finger.

[moonslav59]

Did you read the article from Dan Bickley who said Big Data has done more to ruin baseball than the steroid era? Lots of interesting reads, and different opinions out there. Oh no your saying. Yep it’s true.

 

I'll try to find the article.

 

Yes, there are many different opinions- most not in agreement with mine on many issues.

[moonslav59]

Every top 10 attendance team of 2019 (NYY, BOS, LAD, LAA, PHI, CHIC, STL, HOU) has a smaller average attendance in 2022. Is the game anymore analytical now than in 2019, I don't think so. Is it more expensive? Yup. That's where I'm pointing my finger.

 

I think the length of the games is part of the decline, too, but yes, cost increases and the inconvenience of getting to and from the venue matter most..

[Old Red]

I'll try to find the article.

 

Yes, there are many different opinions- most not in agreement with mine on many issues.

 

I like to get many different views, and opinions as I can get, and I do on the many different venues I visit from TV, radio, newspapers, and the good old standby water cooler at the gym. If I don’t like what I’m hearing I don’t say the other side is wrong, or stop watching, or listening. I told you about the local talk shows here in Maine, and around Boston, and you didn’t like them. Was it, because they didn’t jive with your opinions on things? My guess is yes.

[moonslav59]

I like to get many different views, and opinions as I can get, and I do on the many different venues I visit from TV, radio, newspapers, and the good old standby water cooler at the gym. If I don’t like what I’m hearing I don’t say the other side is wrong, or stop watching, or listening. I told you about the local talk shows here in Maine, and around Boston, and you didn’t like them. Was it, because they didn’t jive with your opinions on things? My guess is yes.

 

I listen to many different opinions on everything from sports to music to politics.

 

Of course, I don't agree with them all, and I expect that.

 

I told you already what bother me about those talk shows, and it wasn't their differing opinions. It was their near complete ignorance of the facts. It's their job, and they can't even verify facts, and this isn't some political alt fact thing: they couldn't even get right how many control years a Sox player had. That bugged me.

 

I will also say, many opinions on why we should have traded for Soto got me thinking some people are clueless, but it didn't bother me, personally.

[Old Red]

I listen to many different opinions on everything from sports to music to politics.

 

Of course, I don't agree with them all, and I expect that.

 

I told you already what bother me about those talk shows, and it wasn't their differing opinions. It was their near complete ignorance of the facts. It's their job, and they can't even verify facts, and this isn't some political alt fact thing: they couldn't even get right how many control years a Sox player had. That bugged me.

 

I will also say, many opinions on why we should have traded for Soto got me thinking some people are clueless, but it didn't bother me, personally.

Complete ignorance on facts?

[dgalehouse]

Mikey Metsguy: " Hey Ferdie, did you catch the end of the Mets' game last night ? Diaz entrance to trumpets blaring , then he struck out the side to end it. Very exciting. " Ferdie Nerdwell: " No , I was on fangraphs , checking all the fWAR ratings . Then I was on BTV , seeing if they would accept my trade proposals. " Mikey : " You missed all the fun again. Diaz picked up his 29th save." Ferdie: " No, I had fun. Besides, saves are overrated. " Mikey: " Okay. See you around, Ferdie. "

[moonslav59]

Complete ignorance on facts?

 

I went over this with you during the summer. I think it was Vaz. They kept saying why trade Vaz when he has another year of team control. Repeated it over and over.

 

That was just one example.

 

I don't want to relitigate this.

 

[Old Red]

I went over this with you during the summer. I think it was Vaz. They kept saying why trade Vaz when he has another year of team control. Repeated it over and over.

 

That was just one example.

 

I don't want to relitigate this.

 

What is amusing on here is the mere mentioning of talk shows, and pretty much everyone goes off on a frenzy like talk shows bad, and TalkSox good.

[moonslav59]

What is amusing on here is the mere mentioning of talk shows, and pretty much everyone goes off on a frenzy like talk shows bad, and TalkSox good.

 

There are plenty of facts gotten wrong, here, too.

 

[Bellhorn04]

What is amusing on here is the mere mentioning of talk shows, and pretty much everyone goes off on a frenzy like talk shows bad, and TalkSox good.

 

No, I don't think that really happens.

[mvp 78]

Mikey Metsguy: " Hey Ferdie, did you catch the end of the Mets' game last night ? Diaz entrance to trumpets blaring , then he struck out the side to end it. Very exciting. " Ferdie Nerdwell: " No , I was on fangraphs , checking all the fWAR ratings . Then I was on BTV , seeing if they would accept my trade proposals. " Mikey : " You missed all the fun again. Diaz picked up his 29th save." Ferdie: " No, I had fun. Besides, saves are overrated. " Mikey: " Okay. See you around, Ferdie. "

 

That guy sounds horrible. Who the hell would want to hang out with a Mets fan?

[mvp 78]

What is amusing on here is the mere mentioning of talk shows, and pretty much everyone goes off on a frenzy like talk shows bad, and TalkSox good.

 

Not one person here has ever said this place is good.

[moonslav59]

What is amusing on here is the mere mentioning of talk shows, and pretty much everyone goes off on a frenzy like talk shows bad, and TalkSox good.

 

You know what I find amusing? How some posters think fans that are into stats can't enjoy the game like not stat fans can or do.

 

This pretty much sums it up and make me chuckle..

 

Mikey Metsguy: " Hey Ferdie, did you catch the end of the Mets' game last night ? Diaz entrance to trumpets blaring , then he struck out the side to end it. Very exciting. " Ferdie Nerdwell: " No , I was on fangraphs , checking all the fWAR ratings . Then I was on BTV , seeing if they would accept my trade proposals. " Mikey : " You missed all the fun again. Diaz picked up his 29th save." Ferdie: " No, I had fun. Besides, saves are overrated. " Mikey: " Okay. See you around, Ferdie.

[Old Red]

You know what I find amusing? How some posters think fans that are into stats can't enjoy the game like not stat fans can or do.

 

This pretty much sums it up and make me chuckle..

 

Mikey Metsguy: " Hey Ferdie, did you catch the end of the Mets' game last night ? Diaz entrance to trumpets blaring , then he struck out the side to end it. Very exciting. " Ferdie Nerdwell: " No , I was on fangraphs , checking all the fWAR ratings . Then I was on BTV , seeing if they would accept my trade proposals. " Mikey : " You missed all the fun again. Diaz picked up his 29th save." Ferdie: " No, I had fun. Besides, saves are overrated. " Mikey: " Okay. See you around, Ferdie.

I didn’t know we had any non stat fans. Is Bogey going after the batting title?

[moonslav59]

I didn’t know we had any non stat fans. Is Bogey going after the batting title?

 

Go on pretending you don’t know what I mean.

[Old Red]

Go on pretending you don’t know what I mean.

 

I’ve been reminded many times on here that you have to clarify, or someone does it for you. I like stats myself, but just not to the extent of others.

[notin]

The Save is just a label, though some officials and agents (and even advertisers) cling to it to make it sound important. To me, it's almost as useless as using ERA to compare relievers. Pitching a 1-2-3 9th certainly helps win games, but how about the reliever who enters a game with two runners aboard, gives up a couple hits that knock them both home, then strands his own runners? His ERA is 0.00 -- what a relief ace!

 

Preventing -- or allowing -- inherited baserunners to score is more relevant for guys coming out of the bullpen. Just ask Brayan Bello... is there a stat somewhere for earned runs he gave up when he was actually on the diamond?

 

If so, please point me to the team stats that show how inept Boston's calvary has been in this category, and how "shutdown" true contenders' relief crews have been.

 

The good ol’ fashioned Goose Egg stat developed by Nate Silver, which was just a scoreless inning from the 7th or later in a game where the reliever’s team is tied it up by two runs or less. That is the best measure.

 

It’s named for Advanced Stats Loudest and Most Prifane Critic Rich Gossage. Of course, Gossage is equally critical of the modern day use of closers, which he considers a pathetic joke, but with more swears. He’s also the all time MLB leader in Goose Eggs…

[moonslav59]

I’ve been reminded many times on here that you have to clarify, or someone does it for you. I like stats myself, but just not to the extent of others.

 

Yes, I understand, and I'm sure you are aware of a poster or two who not only dislike advance metrics and analytics but act like those who do are missing out on other aspects or enjoyments of the game we all love dearly.

[moonslav59]

The good ol’ fashioned Goose Egg stat developed by Nate Silver, which was just a scoreless inning from the 7th or later in a game where the reliever’s team is tied it up by two runs or less. That is the best measure.

 

It’s named for Advanced Stats Loudest and Most Prifane Critic Rich Gossage. Of course, Gossage is equally critical of the modern day use of closers, which he considers a pathetic joke, but with more swears. He’s also the all time MLB leader in Goose Eggs…

 

And Theo now wants to "tame the monster he helped create."

[Old Red]

Yes, I understand, and I'm sure you are aware of a poster or two who not only dislike advance metrics and analytics but act like those who do are missing out on other aspects or enjoyments of the game we all love dearly.

 

I don’t dislike them, and for the most part I don’t know anything for them, but I just don’t care, or need, or use them. I understand metrics are the big things these days, and have been for sometime. I have no problem with people who use them, and people should have no problem with those who don’t. eye test jabs, or not.

[notin]

Complete ignorance on facts?

 

Yes.

 

What was their opinion on Juan Soto? That the Sox could and should get him, he wouldn’t cost any prospects, and that the only reason abloom didn’t was sheer incompetence? Something like that is 100% devoid of facts. And is easily refuted by seeing what Soto eventually did go for.

 

And these are your sources?

[notin]

I don’t dislike them, and for the most part I don’t know anything for them, but I just don’t care, or need, or use them. I understand metrics are the big things these days, and have been for sometime. I have no problem with people who use them, and people should have no problem with those who don’t. eye test jabs, or not.

 

For some who claims to be indifferent you certainly put them down alot…

[Old Red]

3-5-11

 

Standings update!

 

500- Div- Wild Card.