Fire Bloom .

[d-money]

It’s crazy how other teams can develop starting pitchers in the minors and this team hasn’t developed one in awhile a good one. The jury is still out on bello. He’s a little inconsistent.

[moonslav59]

It’s crazy how other teams can develop starting pitchers in the minors and this team hasn’t developed one in awhile a good one. The jury is still out on bello. He’s a little inconsistent.

 

We’ve done better with Rule 5, Whitlock, and trades, Wink, than many teams do but yes, Houck and Bello are just about it since Lester, unless you count Kopech.

[notin]

You are missing the point, because you are still focusing on wanting Evol, or Wacha back. The problem is what you replaced them with is worse. Bloom signed Richard, and Perez a couple years ago, and neither worked out very well, but he brought Hill onboard last year, and Martin Perez was better than Hill last year. He got rid of Evol, and Wacha, and Hill too for that matter, and, and brought in Kluber who is worse this year than Evol, Wacha, and maybe Hill too, and Martin Perez is still pitching better than Kluber. The main point is Bloom replacements are usually worse than who he replaced.

 

You’re trying to force the data to fit the conclusion and it doesn’t work. You can’t use Perez as a Ranger after he left Boston to compare to Hill and call it a step down. Garrett Richard hasn’t pitched anywhere since Boston; why can’t we call AAV move an improvement over him?

 

The bottom line is Bloom replaced Perez (0.6 fWAR) and Richard (0.5 fWAR) with Hill (1.8 fWAR) and Wacha (1.5 fWAR). That’s not a step down. Your premise that it always happens is complete BS.

 

Is Kluber a step down? Certainly looks that way, but quit pretending it was so obvious. Eovaldi threw 109 IP last year and was worth 1.0 fWAR. Kluber threw 164 IP and was worth 3 fWAR. I can see why Kluber was signed, and given that Eovaldi just gave the Sox 400 IP on a 4 year deal, I can see why he wasn’t offered multiple years. If he took the QO, Kluber isn’t here.

 

What do you suppose the over/under is for IP for Eovaldi on this contract?

[moonslav59]

You’re trying to force the data to fit the conclusion and it doesn’t work. You can’t use Perez as a Ranger after he left Boston to compare to Hill and call it a step down. Garrett Richard hasn’t pitched anywhere since Boston; why can’t we call AAV move an improvement over him?

 

The bottom line is Bloom replaced Perez (0.6 fWAR) and Richard (0.5 fWAR) with Hill (1.8 fWAR) and Wacha (1.5 fWAR). That’s not a step down. Your premise that it always happens is complete BS.

 

Is Kluber a step down? Certainly looks that way, but quit pretending it was so obvious. Eovaldi threw 109 IP last year and was worth 1.0 fWAR. Kluber threw 164 IP and was worth 3 fWAR. I can see why Kluber was signed, and given that Eovaldi just gave the Sox 400 IP on a 4 year deal, I can see why he wasn’t offered multiple years. If he took the QO, Kluber isn’t here.

 

What do you suppose the over/under is for IP for Eovaldi on this contract?

 

It seems like The guys who complain the most are the ones who never say who we should sign during the winter.

[Randy Red Sox]

that was what Tampa was great at and where Bloom is from yet he has not really added s single top SP IN THE 3 PLUS YEARS he has been here.

It’s crazy how other teams can develop starting pitchers in the minors and this team hasn’t developed one in awhile a good one. The jury is still out on bello. He’s a little inconsistent.

Edited June 5, 2023 by Randy Red Sox

[Old Red]

Was that the Bloom Circus I saw yesterday back in town throwing the ball around like a bunch of Little Leaguers? I didn’t know they would be invited back from last year. Definitely baseball follies stuff for ESPN. Funny, and sad at the same time. I know Cora was impressed.Throw in some of Kike’s exploits at SS, and you’ve got a show all to itself. Edited June 5, 2023 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

It seems like The guys who complain the most are the ones who never say who we should sign during the winter.

 

Maybe Red just figures it's Bloom's job to make the team better, not his.

[Bellhorn04]

You’re trying to force the data to fit the conclusion and it doesn’t work. You can’t use Perez as a Ranger after he left Boston to compare to Hill and call it a step down. Garrett Richard hasn’t pitched anywhere since Boston; why can’t we call AAV move an improvement over him?

 

The bottom line is Bloom replaced Perez (0.6 fWAR) and Richard (0.5 fWAR) with Hill (1.8 fWAR) and Wacha (1.5 fWAR). That’s not a step down. Your premise that it always happens is complete BS.

 

Is Kluber a step down? Certainly looks that way, but quit pretending it was so obvious. Eovaldi threw 109 IP last year and was worth 1.0 fWAR. Kluber threw 164 IP and was worth 3 fWAR. I can see why Kluber was signed, and given that Eovaldi just gave the Sox 400 IP on a 4 year deal, I can see why he wasn’t offered multiple years. If he took the QO, Kluber isn’t here.

 

What do you suppose the over/under is for IP for Eovaldi on this contract?

 

Bloom does avoid financial risk by never signing a starter for more than a year, it's pretty hard to argue with that.

[Bellhorn04]

that was what Tampa was great at and where Bloom is from yet he has not really added s single top SP IN THE 3 PLUS YEARS he has been here.

 

One think we've talked about is that Bloom hasn't hired any guys away from the Rays, so that could be part of the problem.

[Old Red]

Maybe Red just figures it's Bloom's job to make the team better, not his.

 

I have said that many times when the same question, or the same response was made from the same poster. Bloom gets paid big bucks to do his job, and I’m not going to do it for him. Like I have mentioned before that Bloom was just one of the many geeks in the nerd room in Tampa, and now he is center stage, and out, and front as the HOBO. Tampa is still a lot better team than the Red Sox, so I think they grabbed the wrong geek.

[notin]

Bloom does avoid financial risk by never signing a starter for more than a year, it's pretty hard to argue with that.

 

The point of the post was all his new pitchers were not steps down, as was erroneously stated previously…

[Old Red]

The point of the post was all his new pitchers were not steps down, as was erroneously stated previously…

 

You can spin things a different way all you want, but it doesn’t change the bottom line.

[notin]

You can spin things a different way all you want, but it doesn’t change the bottom line.

 

I didn’t spin anything. You did…

[Old Red]

I didn’t spin anything. You did…

 

Wacha, and Evol are both pitching better than Kluber now. Martin Perez pitched better than Rich Hill last year. Those are facts.

[Hugh2]

Wacha, and Evol are both pitching better than Kluber now. Martin Perez pitched better than Rich Hill last year. Those are facts.

 

I really don't think anyone can use Martin Perez's year last year as a benchmark. If anything shows Bloom was on, just got the year wrong. But Perez has a very long career and stat line of being 1/2 as good as he was last year. Last year was an anomaly.

[Hugh2]

One think we've talked about is that Bloom hasn't hired any guys away from the Rays, so that could be part of the problem.

 

He might not have been allowed to, still, that was 3 years ago. You'd think by now he'd be able to bring over a guy or two he liked.

[dannycater]

What's amazing is a few posters in here will defend every Bloom move and accept the losing, the s***** SP, the s***** defense, the lack of a star power, and the just complete gutting of a winning franchise. We are an all-time joke now. Every time the Sox win a game v. Tampa, Yankees, going back last few seasons, it almost is always followed by loss the very next day. It's because mediocre .500 teams operate that way.

[notin]

Wacha, and Evol are both pitching better than Kluber now. Martin Perez pitched better than Rich Hill last year. Those are facts.

 

You said Bloom always steps down. Then you changed (and are sticking with) the baseline for Perez to how he pitched in Texas. Texas, which is not Boston.

 

Perez want that good in Boston. Hill and Wacha (whom you refuse to acknowledge for this whack job theory) were steps up for Boston…

[dannycater]

THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF HOW BAD THE SOX ARE RIGHT NOW....Cora now telling us you can't bring up hot hitters or it might impede on the hitting of poor hitters. Nice.

 

The corner infielder is 26 of 67 (.388) with 10 home runs and 20 RBIs in his last 18 games for Triple A Worcester.

 

In all, Dalbec is hitting .306 with a 1.081 OPS in 41 games for the WooSox.

 

But the Sox don’t see a roster spot for him, even with first baseman Triston Casas hitting .191 with a .677 OPS through 51 games.

 

“Where we’re at roster-wise, this is who we have,” manager Alex Cora said Sunday. “We’re glad that he’s going well, not only hitting for power but hitting for average. But obviously roster-wise right now, this is who we have.”

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So it's better to keep the .191 hitter who needs to go to the minors over the up-and-down Dalbec, who seems to have found his stroke again. I see, okay, don't want someone who might help the offense. Got it.

Edited June 5, 2023 by dannycater

[Old Red]

You said Bloom always steps down. Then you changed (and are sticking with) the baseline for Perez to how he pitched in Texas. Texas, which is not Boston.

 

Perez want that good in Boston. Hill and Wacha (whom you refuse to acknowledge for this whack job theory) were steps up for Boston…

 

News flash! Evol, and Wacha aren’t pitching in Boston now either, but that’s what people are looking at now on how well they are pitching, and Kluber sucking. I never said Perez was that good in Boston either. You focused a long time on wanting the Red Sox to resign Evol, and Wacha when that was never the point, or the issue. Have you figured out yet if the Red Sox just signed Turner to be on the bench? That was a good one, but you should have your answer by now. He was a good pickup, but JD hit his 14th yesterday, and so far is having a better year with the bat.

[Bellhorn04]

You said Bloom always steps down. Then you changed (and are sticking with) the baseline for Perez to how he pitched in Texas. Texas, which is not Boston.

 

Perez want that good in Boston. Hill and Wacha (whom you refuse to acknowledge for this whack job theory) were steps up for Boston…

 

The success with Wacha is tempered by the fact that Bloom didn't re-sign him on a cheap deal.

[mvp 78]

What's amazing is a few posters in here will defend every Bloom move and accept the losing, the s***** SP, the s***** defense, the lack of a star power, and the just complete gutting of a winning franchise. We are an all-time joke now. Every time the Sox win a game v. Tampa, Yankees, going back last few seasons, it almost is always followed by loss the very next day. It's because mediocre .500 teams operate that way.

 

Who?

[mvp 78]

THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF HOW BAD THE SOX ARE RIGHT NOW....Cora now telling us you can't bring up hot hitters or it might impede on the hitting of poor hitters. Nice.

 

The corner infielder is 26 of 67 (.388) with 10 home runs and 20 RBIs in his last 18 games for Triple A Worcester.

 

In all, Dalbec is hitting .306 with a 1.081 OPS in 41 games for the WooSox.

 

But the Sox don’t see a roster spot for him, even with first baseman Triston Casas hitting .191 with a .677 OPS through 51 games.

 

“Where we’re at roster-wise, this is who we have,” manager Alex Cora said Sunday. “We’re glad that he’s going well, not only hitting for power but hitting for average. But obviously roster-wise right now, this is who we have.”

====================

 

So it's better to keep the .191 hitter who needs to go to the minors over the up-and-down Dalbec, who seems to have found his stroke again. I see, okay, don't want someone who might help the offense. Got it.

 

Dalbec sucks. We've seen him not be able to hit at the MLB level. He'll k 40% of the time. Being able to mash at AAA doesn't mean you can mash at MLB. It's not a one to one.

[Old Red]

The success with Wacha is tempered by the fact that Bloom didn't re-sign him on a cheap deal.

 

Yes, and like I said earlier he was unsigned for a long time until SD grappled him.

[Old Red]

Dalbec sucks. We've seen him not be able to hit at the MLB level. He'll k 40% of the time. Being able to mash at AAA doesn't mean you can mash at MLB. It's not a one to one.

 

That is very true, but he has had a flash, or two with the Red Sox where he looked like he would turn into something good.

[mvp 78]

That is very true, but he has had a flash, or two with the Red Sox where he looked like he would turn into something good.

 

He'll be 28 by the end of the month. That flash wasn't long enough. He's nothing more than a bench bat. He's a placeholder for whoever is the long term solution at 1B if you are calling him up.

 

The Sox don't care about his development. That's why they just threw him at SS and didn't think twice. They also floated his name as trade bait multiple times AND NOBODY BIT. He has no value. If it wasn't for the stretch at the end of 2020, we wouldn't care about him.

[Old Red]

He'll be 28 by the end of the month. That flash wasn't long enough. He's nothing more than a bench bat. He's a placeholder for whoever is the long term solution at 1B if you are calling him up.

 

The Sox don't care about his development. That's why they just threw him at SS and didn't think twice. They also floated his name as trade bait multiple times AND NOBODY BIT. He has no value. If it wasn't for the stretch at the end of 2020, we wouldn't care about him.

He did have a stretch the second half of 2021 too, but I agree that he had his big chance last year, and the rope has probably run out on him in Boston.

[Dipre]

Well this was a nice read to kick off my morning. Unfortunately, I can't drink at the office.

[Old Red]

Well this was a nice read to kick off my morning. Unfortunately, I can't drink at the office.

 

And you expected something rosy, and cheerful? Noticed the standings?

[Dipre]

And you expected something rosy, and cheerful? Noticed the standings?

 

It's a joke bro. Lighten the f*** up.